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Dog halts thief and now faces death

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The dog now faces being put down after stopping a thief. I think the dog should not be put down.

http://www.herald.ie/news/pitbull-tears-hand-off-thief-escaping-with-50k-in-cash-3086167.html

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Naomi00

fatmammycat wrote: »

What are you talking about? Pittys are renowned for NOT attacking their owners, that's why they're are used as fighting dogs, they're dog aggressive, not human aggressive.

Ok, first of all I'm not trying to be all dramatic or anything, I just always thought it was generally known that they are a very dangerous dog. There's been cases in England of seemingly friendly pitbulls turning all of a sudden and killing people.

Just googled pitbull attacks to check, and there is any amount of articles, blogs, websites etc about it, most of them seem to be attacks on owners and their kids. It's pretty horrific stuff, so I won't post it here but it all comes up if you search it.

Feisar

Morally I reckon happy days, the scumbag got what he deserved.

Legally, had the householder who's garden this occurred in done the same i.e. cut the burglars hand of as he was making his escape via the garden, wouldn't they face legal proceedings?

As far as I know one can only defend themselves. There is no right to detain/pursue/use excessive force.

While I know a dog only has its teeth it seems to me that while a home owner is bound by the law to the extent they are allowed defend their property as long as it's a dog that does the damage all's OK?

kenmc

Naomi00 wrote: »

Ok, first of all I'm not trying to be all dramatic or anything, I just always thought it was generally known that they are a very dangerous dog. There's been cases in England of seemingly friendly pitbulls turning all of a sudden and killing people.

Did you ever try to find out if it's the dogs fault, or the owners fault?

GaryIrv93

Fair fcuking play to that dog - it had the b.a.l.l.s to go after a dangerous thief which was was over twice his size, something that most of us would never have the courage to do. Putting it down for protecting it's owners home from criminals is a disgrace, don't care how badly the thief was injured. :mad:

Dyr

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Kids are pretty stupid and do daft things, (I know I was one), so paying little heed to a parent's warning means they are fair game for a mauling?

If that had been the case, I'd be pretty disfigured by now. Fact is most kids learn by 1 part accident, 1 part parental guidance.

If your kid was running out on roads then its a moron and you're a moron for letting it. Its not going to be the drivers fault when they become an agent of Darwinsim. Same with Gardens and dogs, I knew full f**ing well that hopping into peoples gardens was verboten when I was a kid

EGAR

I doubt that the pic in the article is of the actual dog. It has cropped ears which is more of an American *thing* and illegal in Ireland.

If I had a Euro every time a dog was described as a Pit Bull by the media when in fact it was not, I'd be rich.

I'd love to see a pic of the actual dog.

Jimmy Bottlehead

Naomi00 wrote: »

fatmammycat wrote: »

What are you talking about? Pittys are renowned for NOT attacking their owners, that's why they're are used as fighting dogs, they're dog aggressive, not human aggressive.

Ok, first of all I'm not trying to be all dramatic or anything, I just always thought it was generally known that they are a very dangerous dog. There's been cases in England of seemingly friendly pitbulls turning all of a sudden and killing people.

Just googled pitbull attacks to check, and there is any amount of articles, blogs, websites etc about it, most of them seem to be attacks on owners and their kids. It's pretty horrific stuff, so I won't post it here but it all comes up if you search it.

Sorry but unless you've owned a pitbull or have experience with them, you're talking out of your arse.
People vilify certain dog breeds out of ignorance, and while I have little doubt you're doing it with good intentions, you're doing nothing but harm the reputation of the breed.

woodoo

Have a look at pittbull attacks owner in Brazil. If that was a poodle i think he would have dealt with it fairly quickly.

Jimoslimos

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

Is a dog somehow less important than a human being? :mad:

Simply, yes - and I shouldn't need to justify that.

Another scenario, if the Gardaí were performing a raid on a drug-dealers house, which was protected by an aggressive dog - in carrying out their duties can they/would they be able to kill the dog?

John_Rambo

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Another scenario, if the Gardaí were performing a raid on a drug-dealers house, which was protected by an agressive dog - in carrying out their duties can they/would they be able to kill the dog?

Yes.

BOHtox

Doc Ruby wrote: »

That is one fugly dog. But no seriously this is what dogs were meant to do, protect the tribe, the poor little creature was only acting according to its training and breeding. It should get a nice run on the beach and a good steak dinner.

The dog was sprayed with Pepper Spray. I'd like someone to take a picture of you after getting pepper sprayed!

Naomi00

[QUOTE=Jimmy Bottlehead;78229343]Sorry but unless you've owned a pitbull or have experience with them, you're talking out of your arse.
People vilify certain dog breeds out of ignorance, and while I have little doubt you're doing it with good intentions, you're doing nothing but harm the reputation of the breed.[/QUOTE]

Wtf? I didn't want to get too involved in this but some of the replies are crazy.

I know someone who had a half-pitbull dog who was a really nice friendly dog. However the same person had to rescue a stranger who was being mauled by a different pitbull by killing the dog, it wouldn't let go of the person even though they didn't do anything to provoke it.

I didn't think people were so ignorant about things like this, if someone really did like these type of dogs then for the dog's sake they should be trained in dog-handling, accept what their dog is capable of and keep their dog somewhere where it will not come into contact with the public. There are people in other places who can do that and that's fine if it works.
The people posting on this saying that these dogs are 'harmless' are deluded. You can't deny what they're capable of and are only putting other people at risk.

Articles etc on attacks: http://www.google.ie/#hl=en&gs_nf=1&cp=17&gs_id=2f&xhr=t&q=pitbull+attacks+owner&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=pitbull+attacks+o&aq=0&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=7d34b9ab07af510e

Of course there's dogs who won't attack people in their life but you can't bet on it. There seems to be a lot of reports about attacks on kids and babies, you can't seriously blame them for being attacked now can you?

Daniel S

Surely the dog could "run away and escape" for a while at a friends house and then "find his way home" when it all blows over? Just in case like.

[Deleted User]

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

Is a dog somehow less important than a human being? :mad:

Well, eh, yes.

GaryIrv93

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Simply, yes - and I shouldn't need to justify that.

Another scenario, if the Gardaí were performing a raid on a drug-dealers house, which was protected by an aggressive dog - in carrying out their duties can they/would they be able to kill the dog?

If a dog attacks and seriously injures an innocent person who did nothing to provoke the attack, then that's a lot different than this dog, who attacked a criminal who tresspassed onto it's owner's property. The dog however followed it's instincts and did what it was probably trained to do. Many people have dogs for this particular reason. This dog may be being put down even after the whole incident, which doesn't make much sense. Not like it's continuing to maul the guy.

Only if it was absolutely nescessary IMO should a Gardai team kill a dog in that scenario. If the dog was that viscious, then maybe so, if not, then simply capture the dog, not kill it.

Jimoslimos

Bambi wrote: »

If your kid was running out on roads then its a moron and you're a moron for letting it. Its not going to be the drivers fault when they become an agent of Darwinsim. Same with Gardens and dogs, I knew full f**ing well that hopping into peoples gardens was verboten when I was a kid

Bad example, roads aren't full of homicidal maniacs waiting for pedestrians to absent-mindedly step out so they can mow them down.

When I was a kid I did a fair amount of garden hopping and trespassing into fields etc. Children have a different perception to risk than adults. It's why I said kids learn part guidance/part experience. For all the warning about the hot stove you don't heed it until you get burnt.

Jimoslimos

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

If a dog attacks and seriously injures an innocent person who did nothing to provoke the attack, then that's a lot different than this dog, who attacked a criminal who tresspassed onto it's owner's property.

No, Gardaí performing a raid on a property and a thieving scumbag breaking and entering are very similar in the mind of the dog - they can't be expected to distinguish between the two.

Dyr

woodoo wrote: »

Have a look at pittbull attacks owner in Brazil. If that was a poodle i think he would have dealt with it fairly quickly.

You ever seen a standard poodle? They're fairly big, powerful dogs. Only vicious dog my family owned was a damned poodle.

Jimmy Bottlehead

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Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Sorry but unless you've owned a pitbull or have experience with them, you're talking out of your arse.
People vilify certain dog breeds out of ignorance, and while I have little doubt you're doing it with good intentions, you're doing nothing but harm the reputation of the breed.

Naomi00 wrote: »

Wtf? I didn't want to get too involved in this but some of the replies are crazy.

I know someone who had a half-pitbull dog who was a really nice friendly dog. However the same person had to rescue a stranger who was being mauled by a different pitbull by killing the dog, it wouldn't let go of the person even though they didn't do anything to provoke it.

I didn't think people were so ignorant about things like this, if someone really did like these type of dogs then for the dog's sake they should be trained in dog-handling, accept what their dog is capable of and keep their dog somewhere where it will not come into contact with the public. There are people in other places who can do that and that's fine if it works.
The people posting on this saying that these dogs are 'harmless' are deluded. You can't deny what they're capable of and are only putting other people at risk.

Articles etc on attacks: http://www.google.ie/#hl=en&gs_nf=1&cp=17&gs_id=2f&xhr=t&q=pitbull+attacks+owner&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=pitbull+attacks+o&aq=0&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=7d34b9ab07af510e

Of course there's dogs who won't attack people in their life but you can't bet on it. There seems to be a lot of reports about attacks on kids and babies, you can't seriously blame them for being attacked now can you?

Your argument doesn't hold up. I could Google anything and find a story to back it up. Child attacked by hamster, child killed by lightening, etc.
In most cases where a dog attacks an innocent human, you'll find the fault lies with the human and their treatment of the dog.
You say that "you can't deny what they're capable of" but quite simply, you, me and everyone else is capable of damaging or killing another human being, or an animal. What a creature is capable of doesn't matter.
This irrational fear over certain breeds is ridiculous - again, I don't think you're being malicious at all, but you're just wrong to vilify these breeds. It's akin to saying all black people are evil, its madness to tar an entire race (or dog breed) with a brush like this.

BornToKill

Doc Ruby wrote: »

That is one fugly dog. But no seriously this is what dogs were meant to do, protect the tribe, the poor little creature was only acting according to its training and breeding. It should get a nice run on the beach and a good steak dinner.

He doesn't need the steak dinner - he already ate.

GaryIrv93

Jimoslimos wrote: »

No, Gardaí performing a raid on a property and a thieving scumbag breaking and entering are very similar in the mind of the dog - they can't be expected to distinguish between the two.

No, what I meant by that post was that if a dog attacks an innocent member of public who let's say was walking on the path beside (not inside) the property and was simply minding his/her own buisiness, then I hate to say it, but that's a bit more of a valid reason for the dog to be put down. In the case where Gardai try to raid the place or whether a scumbag was on the property then an attack from the dog (if you know it's there) is to be expected. A dog will defend it's property whether it's owned by a criminal gang or not, so it's completely right to simply break in and kill it when it's only doing what it's been told or trained for.

Jimoslimos

Lets try a different scenario.

I'm out walking in this fine area of Finglas when I am confronted by a gang of scumbags wishing to disposess me of my belongings. I run and scale the nearest wall in an attempt to escape......see where I'm going with this?

greendom

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Sorry but unless you've owned a pitbull or have experience with them, you're talking out of your arse.
People vilify certain dog breeds out of ignorance, and while I have little doubt you're doing it with good intentions, you're doing nothing but harm the reputation of the breed.

So why are they banned in the UK ?

Jimmy Bottlehead

greendom wrote: »

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Sorry but unless you've owned a pitbull or have experience with them, you're talking out of your arse.
People vilify certain dog breeds out of ignorance, and while I have little doubt you're doing it with good intentions, you're doing nothing but harm the reputation of the breed.

So why are they banned in the UK ?

For the same reason that (for example) homosexual activity was illegal - fear and ignorance.
Like I said before, applying a ban to breeds is no different than villifying a race of people. It's ridiculous. But sure it's easier to just blame an entire breed instead of looking at some of the idiots who own the dogs.

GaryIrv93

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Lets try a different scenario.

I'm out walking in this fine area of Finglas when I am confronted by a gang of scumbags wishing to disposess me of my belongings. I run and scale the nearest wall in an attempt to escape......see where I'm going with this?

You've still got to accept the risks involved in entering other people's property, even in that kind of emergency. If I was in that situation as you mentioned, I'd get in and out the other side of the property as quickly as possible, dog or no dog.

Hank Scorpio

woodoo wrote: »

Have a look at pittbull attacks owner in Brazil. If that was a poodle i think he would have dealt with it fairly quickly.

Man I wish I didn't watch that, disturbing

ToddyDoody

'dibs on the corpse'.. honestly i've seen how its done, quick and painless. Emotionally devastating if you love the dog tho. Give it time, and a new dog

Whispered

I think that had it been a lab or a retriever the idea of the dog being PTS would not have come up at all. It would be all about the hero dog protecting it's home, catching the nasty criminal.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

it's standard procedure for any dog that attacks a person (apart from police dogs of course)

Not in my experince.

Five weeks ago my dogs alerted me to someone in the garden, three scumbags had broken into the car and were trying to push it away.

Of course the dogs were released, caught one in the car and got stuck into him.

when the dogs seen us run down the road after the other's they chased them down too.

Although no one lost a hand, more the pity tbh, the guards had no problem in me letting the dogs out.

Richo is a Pitbull male and Ruby is a Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

They know their place in the pack and would lay down their lives for me.

cyrusdvirus

Chances are that the dog in this case isn't even a bullbreed.

And Naomi000, not being smart, but you really should state when you are offering your opinions and when you have verifiable facts.
i think everyone should play the game in this link.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html