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Pensioners evicted from their home today!!

flynnlives

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9u_rV7VGqw

via http://www.broadsheet.ie/2012/04/18/the-eviction-in-killiney-new-video/

quite distressing video towards the end.

Not sure of the details.

There is something rotten in the state of Ireland!!

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MrThrifty

Bloody hell - this is getting airtime on Morning Ireland now...

my friend

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Who signed off for giving a 2 million mortgage to a pensioner?

Betcha Joe comes back early today..... Real tears, real emotion, no rational

Tazz T

Right then, they were Anglo's loans. Anglo was in a business it wasn't good at, built up huge debts and defaulted. Anglo should have been evicted.

But Anglo wasn't evicted. It was bailed out. There's the mistake.

Frank Black

abouttobebanned wrote: »

When Sean Sherlock signed the "irish sopa" into law, this forum and the rest of the country were up in arms. They almost took to the streets with the most vehement display of anger that wasn't seen when the government were doing things a thousand times worse. What were people really angry about? Don't tell me it was about freedom and free speech etc. It was because it would soon be harder for them to illegally download music, movies football matches etc.

These people who can so easily pass judgement on others who "break the law".

It really is one rule for some and another entirely for people that you don't know.

Wow!

What an amazing dispaly of anger.

I almost won the lotto last week.

doncarlos

What's the best way to get old people smell out of a house?

Faolchu

gatecrash wrote: »

if those of us who agree with it keep on quoting it then maybe the others will actually gain a bit of understanding.

doubt it

blowtorch

dvpower wrote: »

The property was in the ownership of the bank but in the possession of someone else.
It's not 'their property'.

Mmmmm....just wondering is the Bank's name the name on the deeds. (In other words, the people in possession weren't on the deeds at all?). So - has the Bank registered this property for the Household Charge - if it's the owner. And all the other properties that are under repossession - are the Banks the 'owners' shown on the deeds, and have they paid the Household charges on these houses that they 'own'?

philstar

got no sympthaty for these D4 heads, condsending middle-class types had a few as landlords in my time...and believe me they wouldn't think twice about chucking you out if it felt fit

hear yer one at the end.."get away from my car you're on private property":rolleyes: (well not anymore love) the bailiff should have told her to...F off!

Faolchu

doncarlos wrote: »

What's the best way to get old people smell out of a house?

napalm works a treat

I am pie

I guarantee if this pair were English or German we wouldn't hear a peep of complaint. They should have sold their mansion and possibly 1 of their investment properties and bough something smaller, they should have done this 2 years ago.

They are not entitled to live in Killiney. They are not entitled to special protection against bad investments and bad business decisions.

Are we supposed to believe they are homeless ? They can't use the rent from three properties to rent themselves a rather nice home somewhere most of us would be delighted with?

I hope mob mentality isn't taking root in this country. I really fear that a nasty strain of populism is waiting in the wings for Ireland.

mike65

God these people make me sick.

my friend

Duggy747 wrote: »

It's not like the bank just appeared out of the blue at their door, dragged them out of the beds and told them to go sleep in a shed.

They had 2 years to sort this out. Their defiance against the banks got them here, they had multiple properties so they more than likely had options.

You enter a contract, fail to uphold it then you face the consequences. Rich or poor, young or old, it doesn't matter.

The man being evicted didn't help matters by acting out, pushing and charging people (what was he going to do with that wheelie bin in front of the Garda?) so I can't see this as an "evil banks come and drag sweet old couple from their quaint little house" thing.

These were people who rode the wave in the boom years and thought they could ride something like this out.

As for that comparison to 19th century eviction............disgusting.

Excellent post, you saved me alot of typing

hondasam

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Look at the post on the front page of this thread that got all the thanks. It makes me laugh, and then a little sad that people support the physical removal of pensioners from their home. Some people on this forum absolutely sicken me. Fcuking do gooders the lot of ye.

You are blaming us, the couple are blaming the banks/bailiffs, that must mean they are the innocent party in all this.
Can you not see where the pensioners are wrong here, they should have handed over the keys but no they wanted public outrage over them losing their home.
They borrowed 2 million and expect not to have to pay it back. Are the stupid or naive enough to think joe public will care.

blowtorch

doncarlos wrote: »

What's the best way to get old people smell out of a house?

Call Thelma Mansfield or Derek Davis for ideas.

(What's got 80 legs and smells of piddle? - the first two rows of Live At Three):D

sbsquarepants

Why the fúck is anyone supposed to have sympathy for someone being evicted from 1 of their 4 houses?
There are actually people with real eviction worries in this country, these entitled assholes are just trying get something for nothing. Nobody has a god given right to live in a fúcking mansion by the sea! Clowns:mad:

mike65

speaking on RTE right now

"I was never a speculator, I was doing one of the essential things in life, people need to be housed"

This guy is a landlord you know (no doubt its been mentioned)

my friend

Mr Kelly only wants to discuss what suits his presentation of his facts

Mr Kelly is starting to sound like a slumlord

Zero pity for this self entitled arrogant angry bar steward

Unrealistic

Tazz T wrote: »

Right then, they were Anglo's loans. Anglo was in a business it wasn't good at, built up huge debts and defaulted. Anglo should have been evicted.

But Anglo wasn't evicted. It was bailed out. There's the mistake.

Grow up. What happened to Anglo is worse than eviction - it is dead. It's owners lost their entire investment. The only people really bailed out in the Anglo context were the bondholders (because the ECB are paying our public service wages because we can't afford to do so ourselves and that was one of their conditions for continuing to finance us) and people who had deposits with Anglo (who would otherwise have lost their savings).

Faolchu

mike65 wrote: »

"I was never a speculator, I was doing one of the essential things in life, people need to be housed"

i wonder did he

provide housing to the homeless at no cost to them coz "they need to be housed"
allow tenant that couldn't meet their rents away with it coz "they need to be housed"
keep rents lower than he needed to to allow lower income people to avail of cheap accommodation coz "they need to be housed"

like **** he did

i think we should pit a link to the video in the "cool picks and videos" thread. or "pictures that shook the world", yeah the world shook, shook with laughter when a speculator got what was coming to him

Unrealistic

the groutch wrote: »

if that's the case, both the bank were very foolish giving mortgages to a man in his 50's (at the time), as was the man himself for taking them.

He is 71 now and the house was built in 2004 so, even if they bought the house as soon as it was built, he was at least 63 at the time.

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Who signed off for giving a 2 million mortgage to a pensioner?

It's more likely it wasn't a mortgage but that they owned the house outright and put it up as collateral to take out a commercial loan to fund their other property acquisitions or some other investments.

Paparazzo

mike65 wrote: »

speaking on RTE right now

"I was never a speculator, I was doing one of the essential things in life, people need to be housed"

This guy is a landlord you know (no doubt its been mentioned)

People need a house. They don't need 4*. Especially if they can't pay for them.

*Don't know where I got the figure of 4 from

Duggys Housemate

There is nothing wrong with being a landlord but these guys rode the Tiger, and got eaten.

They could have kept their money in their house, rather than remortgage a house probably worth about €4M at the peak of the boom. Or they could have sold the house to buy the property they wanted to invest in. Instead they re-mortgaged, and it was actions like that which fuelled the boom and pushed prices up for everybody else, for if they were buying houses, houses were going to go up in price. And they gave collateral, and lost. And they had 2 years to sort it out, I guess looking at this stunt they decided not to, so probably they have not being paying the mortgage for 2 years.

I don't know how big the remortgage was, but had they sold this house two years ago, rather than wait for repossession, they would have probably eliminated most of it. That would have meant moving into one of their other properties, and so what?

My sympathy is limited, I come a generation which looks at Killiney and wonders how anybody in my generation and younger could afford to live there. It seems to be old wealth, or something, and one or two rock stars. The new money would probably just leave if they had financial difficulties, the old wealth feels the place is a birthright. Not if the bank owns it.

sbsquarepants

Unrealistic wrote: »

He is 71 now and the house was built in 2004 so, even if they bought the house as soon as it was built, he was at least 63 at the time.

It's more likely it wasn't a mortgage but that they owned the house outright and put it up as collateral to take out a commercial loan to fund their other property acquisitions or some other investments.

Which i believe is known colloquially as speculating!
Fúck him. Let him stay in his tent - i'm sure he has plenty of rent money coming in to buy a nice warm sleeping bag.

seamus

The fact that he can go whinge about it on Morning Ireland shows that he's not in any difficulty.

If someone with real problems had been evicted yesterday, they'd be too busy today scrabbling to find somewhere to live, to go and whinge on the radio about it.

This idiot shouldn't be given any air for his nonsense.

donegal_road

Unrealistic wrote: »

It's more likely it wasn't a mortgage but that they owned the house outright and put it up as collateral to take out a commercial loan to fund their other property acquisitions or some other investments.

I think that is what did happen

hondasam

seamus wrote: »

The fact that he can go whinge about it on Morning Ireland shows that he's not in any difficulty.

If someone with real problems had been evicted yesterday, they'd be too busy today scrabbling to find somewhere to live, to go and whinge on the radio about it.

This idiot shouldn't be given any air for his nonsense.

This idiot thinks he is above the rest of us, I'm sure he has always demanded respect, he actually thought it would not come to this. His pride is hurt but he is the master of his own downfall.

ejmaztec

It seems that it was Fingleton's casino that initially lent them the money.

An elderly couple were evicted yesterday from their home in Killiney, Co Dublin, after falling behind on mortgage payments to the institution previously known as the Irish Nationwide Building Society

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0419/breaking20.html

smash

Unrealistic wrote: »

It's more likely it wasn't a mortgage but that they owned the house outright and put it up as collateral to take out a commercial loan to fund their other property acquisitions or some other investments.

I doubt it. If this was the case, then he could sell his other properties to cover his mortgage repayments and the bank could force these sales if they wanted to. I'm guessing he has mortgages on all his properties but rent is covering the mortgage them, but not enough to cover the mortgage on his own home. I'd say there will be more to see from Mr. Kelly as his other properties start to get repossessed to cover debts.

Joey the lips

Just heard them on pat kenny. They deserve to be evicited. Hope brendan drum and sean fitzpatrick along with Bertie Albert and Padraig are next.

smash

ejmaztec wrote: »

It seems that it was Fingleton's casino that initially lent them the money.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0419/breaking20.html

Why was he shouting about Anglo in the video then?