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Pensioners evicted from their home today!!

flynnlives

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9u_rV7VGqw

via http://www.broadsheet.ie/2012/04/18/the-eviction-in-killiney-new-video/

quite distressing video towards the end.

Not sure of the details.

There is something rotten in the state of Ireland!!

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kincsem

^ Danger Mouse
Then you need to learn a little about how the world works.
My guess is the sheriff / bailiff is operating under court orders.

Gummy Panda

danger mouse wrote: »

Heisenberg. wrote: »

The presence of An Gardai Siochana in this instance should have been to uphold the peace only. They should have remained impartial to the proceedings and by right, should have only stepped in when the Bailiffs started to forcibly remove these people. Putting their hands on the evictees is certainly questionable from a legal standpoint.

It is a distressing video to watch, however the law needs to be upheld. Without it, the very fabric of society falls apart.

This being the only part of this matter i have a problem with. Shouldn't the garda not be enforcing court orders not a few thug looking lackeens of questionable character.

What's questionable about their character?

danger mouse

It wasn't me! wrote: »

It's not the couple's property. They don't own it. That's why they have to leave. If they were in your house and refused to leave, you'd chuck them out too.

Well let me simplify if for you if I may. If im on your property without permission its not a bailiff you call its An Garda Siochana.

It wasn't me!

danger mouse wrote: »

Well let me simplify if for you if I may. If im on your property without permission its not a bailiff you call its An Garda Siochana.

No. I'll remove you myself, using reasonable force, as is my right.

hondasam

danger mouse wrote: »

Well let me simplify if for you if I may. If im on your property without permission its not a bailiff you call its An Garda Siochana.

An Garda Siochana do not evict people, this is what the baliff does. It's a court order for the bank. This was an eviction.

Monty Burnz

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't give a fcuk what the details behind it are. Kicking OAPs out of their home is wrong regardless of any semantics.

I look forward to your spirited defence of pensioner Sean Fitz if they ever get around to repossessing his gaff.

kincsem

What I object to is the letter-box view of the house in the opening post. It prevents us seeing what a magnificent house the poor old people had.

Ronin247

danger mouse wrote: »

Well let me simplify if for you if I may. If im on your property without permission its not a bailiff you call its An Garda Siochana.

And if you are in a pub with licensed door staff it is them who remove you if needs be.These are Licensed bailiffs, not a couple of heavies sent in by the bank.They explained to the old man that they have a right to forcibly remove him off the property which they did.

A trained accountant,who has numerous other properties/incomes and cannot/will not pay his own debts is forcibly removed from a property he does not own by a licensed bailiff who explained the process to him.Simple.

argosy2006

They could have coaxed him out with the promise of candy,and possibly more candy at a later date

Monty Burnz

danger mouse wrote: »

Sorry do the Gardai not have to carry out these evictions? what gives these over weight thugs the right to remove these people from their homes your man could hardly stand. I cant believe this. Do people not have rights i cant believe this is this not classed as assault. Someone please tell me if this is legal?

You think people should be allowed to stay in free mansions for their whole lives? Are you a socialist, by any chance? :rolleyes:

Repossession was granted two years ago. It takes years to get a repossession order: these people probably haven't paid a dime towards their mansion for 4 years. That's probably worth about €200k in rent for a place like that.

These gamblers and those defending their right to live in luxury at our expense can bugger right off.

My name is URL

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I look forward to your spirited defence of pensioner Sean Fitz if they ever get around to repossessing his gaff.

Well I'm sure you'll be waiting quite a while for that

Monty Burnz

danger mouse wrote: »

But personally I have a huge problem with the fact that these men who where not Garda, where able to removed these people from a property with impunity.

Have you ever seen a bouncer remove someone from a nightclub?

Monty Burnz

My name is URL wrote: »

Well I'm sure you'll be waiting quite a while for that

Sadly, I think you are correct.

argosy2006

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Have you ever seen a bouncer remove someone from a nightclub?

I'v only ever removed hot women from nightclubs,

evolving_doors

up for anything wrote: »

That awful green flowery bed plus the other pink bedroom. Eviction is too good for people who could commit the sin of bad taste.

Also the piano is only a baby grand....chortle...

CiaranC

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I look forward to your spirited defence of pensioner Sean Fitz if they ever get around to repossessing his gaff.

Was waiting for that, good man Monty

cassel16

Finally they've been removed... I've had my eye on that house for a long time now!

Grayson

up for anything wrote: »

That awful green flowery bed plus the other pink bedroom. Eviction is too good for people who could commit the sin of bad taste.

The library looked manky too. Actually, the whole house was a bit hideous.

Paparazzo

Best comment on youtube:

Happy Gilmore didn't complain, he went out and won his house back!

ricero

i live around 15 minutes from that house. there some houses very ****ing pricey

nice_very

I am divided in my thinking about this case.. YES they have other properties generating income, and the house in the clip being worth 2.2 million being repossessed, responsibility to pay the mortgage as a person who, as an accountant, with a source of income, should be very wise as to the consequences of non payment.

On the other hand it makes me so angry to see people being dragged and pushed around by the baliffs, do they have authority to exert physical force as shown in the video? all while the gardai and the beangardai (in their oversized jackets, is that supposed to be cute - less threatening?) stand by watching a citizen of the state (who they are sworn to protect) being assaulted...

donegal_road

how did someone of that age qualify for a mortgage? is this not reckless lending by the banks?

CiaranC

nice_very wrote: »

On the other hand it makes me so angry to see people being dragged and pushed around by the baliffs, do they have authority to exert physical force as shown in the video? all while the gardai and the beangardai (in their oversized jackets, is that supposed to be cute - less threatening?) stand by watching a citizen of the state (who they are sworn to protect) being assaulted...

This happens in Ireland every single day, amazing suddenly now people are interested in it because its affecting more than just ordinary working class people.

Arawn

nice_very wrote: »

I am divided in my thinking about this case.. YES they have other properties generating income, and the house in the clip being worth 2.2 million being repossessed, responsibility to pay the mortgage as a person who, as an accountant, with a source of income, should be very wise as to the consequences of non payment.

On the other hand it makes me so angry to see people being dragged and pushed around by the baliffs, do they have authority to exert physical force as shown in the video? all while the gardai and the beangardai (in their oversized jackets, is that supposed to be cute - less threatening?) stand by watching a citizen of the state (who they are sworn to protect) being assaulted...

The bank legally own the house, they were there illegally, yes they were rightfully physically removed, I doubt if i moved into your gaff I'd last 2 hours before you turfed me out let alone two years

paperwork

Too bad, two years wasted that they could have been on the housing list... might even have gotten hold of a little granny flat somewhere in Bluebell.

K-9

I assume the reason he got the €2 Million house was based on his landlord portfolio.

Under the PRTB rules I'm sure he'd be able to kick a tenant out in a month or two, emergency circumstances of the owner.

Anyway, I'm sure that'll be a No. 1 for the ULA/SF and a guaranteed NO to austerity in the treaty.

K-9

donegal_road wrote: »

how did someone of that age qualify for a mortgage? is this not reckless lending by the banks?

Maybe, in this particular case, with his property portfolio? Arguable.

A true pensioner couple with little means, I'd say definitely.

nice_very

CiaranC wrote: »

This happens in Ireland every single day, amazing suddenly now people are interested in it because its affecting more than just ordinary working class people.

Arawn wrote: »

The bank legally own the house, they were there illegally, yes they were rightfully physically removed, I doubt if i moved into your gaff I'd last 2 hours before you turfed me out let alone two years

I am replying because I dont want to be misunderstood:

@Ciaran - where in my post did I mention the "class" of the people involved? I did not, I gave the 2 ways that I see this story, I agree that if they didnt pay (and are probably more than capable) then yes they should be evicted.. my question about whether these baliffs have authority to assault people or not has not been answered.

Arawen - you wouldnt get past the front door of my house.

@Arawen please re-read my post where I said that if they didnt pay (and he surely knew the consequences) that they would lose the house... its not like they are a young couple with a family struggling to pay mortgage arrears is it? as for being physically removed, again - do the baliffs have authority to physically do this? if so, by what authority?, are they regulated? bar/club security are regulated. If not, why did the gardai stand by and allow that man to be assaulted?

stupidusername

cassel16 wrote: »

Finally they've been removed... I've had my eye on that house for a long time now!

It'll be a steal now,probably around €1m.

While I don't feel sorry for them,i do think if this was a video of the same people being removed from a more normal perhaps semi detached house there'd be much more sympathy in here for them.

hondasam

stupidusername wrote: »

It'll be a steal now,probably around €1m.

While I don't feel sorry for them,i do think if this was a video of the same people being removed from a more normal perhaps semi detached house there'd be much more sympathy in here for them.

Yes there would be more sympathy, it's hard to feel sorry for these two tbh. I think anyone who is in this situation should just hand over the keys. The battle is lost at this stage.