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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

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El Inho

going back to a point made earlier...

do you think that the refrain from a panic buy, ie Teixera, was a blessing?

I think we would be sitting slightly prettier now to sign a bigger and better player.

Morzadec

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Why does he need to? We'll never get a squad of players who'll fit into the first 11 and have little or no difference in quality, especially when you are asking someone to replace someone like Lucas. Spearing should definitly be kept, apart from Lucas we have no one else at the club who can play DM and I'd still be perfectly happy to see Spearing line up for us in a lot of league games to be honest.

PaulieC wrote: »

To weigh in on this - against Newcastle, whilst alot of our players were bítching and moaning at each other and the referee, Spearing was working his balls off.

The guys a professional and clearly loves playing for his club - he mightn't get much game time but he waits patiently and works hard for the team when given the opportunity - he mightn't have the talent or skill of some other players out there but they could take a leaf out of his book for definite.

He'll do a job for us as a squad player, for (I'd imagine) low wages, and we won't ever get much trouble out going by what I've seen so far.

No need to sell

Daemonic wrote: »

Agree with all this. It's one area Man U in particular have excelled at over the years; having decent squad players who are happy to play 15-20 games a season and never moan.

Have to 100% agree with all of this. Firstly, if we were to sell him, how much would we get for him? Probably not an awful lot, just a couple of million. And he's probably on very low wages, I would imagine less than £20,000 a week, perhaps even half that. So selling him isn't going to be a massive boost to our finances.

Who are you going to sign happy to play 2nd fiddle to Lucas, for less than £3m, getting paid less than £20,000 a week and better than Jay Spearing?

Spearing is one of the first names on the team sheet for me with Lucas out. We don't have the midfield to function without a true DM. For me, Spearing is as good a back up DM out there, who will happily deputise for Lucas, or play some of the Europa/League Cup games next year. For some tough away games, he can slot in beside Lucas. The 2 of them did very well together at the end of last season.

His attitude is fantastic. Reina said he was the best trainer at the club and I'm not surprised. He's only 23, it's not ludicrous to suggest he might improve slightly, especially after this season in which he's played a large part as a first team regular. The point about United squad players is a very good one. Players like O'Shea who came in and did a job were vital to them, even if they were deemed 'not good enough' by a lot of fans.

As for his ability, well we saw with his shot over the bar and overweighted through ball to Suarez against Everton that in the final third he offers little to nothing. He is small and he was outmuscled by Fellaini a few times. But he is very quick, great fitness, covers a lot of ground always applying pressure, tenacious and his passing ability is not to be sniffed at imo. He's not the worst in the world at opening up the play and bringing the fullbacks into it or playing neat short passes in triangles.

In short, as a backup player he is of a very decent quality and I've been very pleased with him this season. If one good thing is to come of Lucas' injury it's that Spearing has been given a lot of game time and has come on a lot because of it. When Spearing needs to be called upon next year I won't be looking at it as a glaring weakness in our team.

Melion

The thing that confuses me about Spearing is his step-up from the reserves. He always seemed to pop up with a goal in the reserves and if anything, looked like he could be a similar player to Gerrard(obviously not at that high level) but now when he reaches the edge of the box, he hasnt a clue what to do.

Morzadec

Melion wrote: »

The thing that confuses me about Spearing is his step-up from the reserves. He always seemed to pop up with a goal in the reserves and if anything, looked like he could be a similar player to Gerrard(obviously not at that high level) but now when he reaches the edge of the box, he hasnt a clue what to do.

Really? I wasn't aware of that at all, have to say I'm surprised. I'm seen him take a few pops from range, a couple of them decent efforts. I'm sure he'll get a goal eventually

Chucky the tree

Melion wrote: »

The thing that confuses me about Spearing is his step-up from the reserves. He always seemed to pop up with a goal in the reserves and if anything, looked like he could be a similar player to Gerrard(obviously not at that high level) but now when he reaches the edge of the box, he hasnt a clue what to do.

He probably had far more chances at reserve level.

Leiva

Seen this on 101 great goals .. :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lARDJ6QcDPk

El Inho

Leiva wrote: »

Seen this on 101 great goals .. :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lARDJ6QcDPk

thats some crazy shiz

LuckyLloyd

Sasquatch76 wrote: »

Right, I'm out of here for the summer. Here's hoping to another cup success that the club can build on and move forward from. To those going to Wembley, a) I'm jealous as feck and b) sing your lungs out!!

See you in July/August.

YNWA!

Go and conquer sir, but where are you off to that you won't have Internet access?

LuckyLloyd

Spearing is one of the real positives from this season. Selling him would be madness! He comes in and does a job, always gives his all, and probably will be happy with a backup role.

If all our players were as committed we'd be enjoying a very different league campaign!

Vudgie

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Go and conquer sir, but where are you off to that you won't have Internet access?

Mayo?;)

El Inho

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Go and conquer sir, but where are you off to that you won't have Internet access?

must be a teacher getting early holidays

amiable

eldwaro wrote: »

going back to a point made earlier...

do you think that the refrain from a panic buy, ie Teixera, was a blessing?

I think we would be sitting slightly prettier now to sign a bigger and better player.

I don't think Teixera would have been a panic buy.
He seemed to be a punt at the price Liverpool were looking to pay for him.

Jesus Wept

I bet Spearing is getting paid more than £20k per week.

prettyboy81

Andy Carroll wrote: »

I bet Spearing is getting paid more than £20k per week.

Prob is now with his appearance money, I reckon he is pushing €30k a week including appearance & win bonus. In fairness he hasn't been getting much win bonuses lately.

Fuhrer

Andy Carroll wrote: »

I bet Spearing is getting paid more than £20k per week.

How much would a standard reserve or youth team player get a week?

Do they get new contracts or bonuses when they start to make appearances in the senior team?

LuckyLloyd

Andy Carroll wrote: »

I bet Spearing is getting paid more than £20k per week.

Hmm, dunno about that. 20k a week is over 1m a year. I'd be shocked if he receives seven figures a year in remuneration.

Jesus Wept

Hardly a shock considering the wages we have apparently been handing out to other people.

Chucky the tree

Under the old regime maybe, but he got a new contract under this one so I'd be surprised if he is on alot more than £20k.

opr

I would be surprised if Spearing was getting much above 15k as I think he was reportedly only on around £2.5k in the reserves before he signed his new contract. Few teams if any would be willing to pay him higher wages and he is never going to actively look to leave the club which means his wages will always remain relatively low.

Edit - I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Sterling is already earning more than him as we're actively having to fend off interest from other clubs.

Opr

Kess73

Had a figure of almost £1.25m in my head as what his new deal worked out at per year when things like Merch rights/loyalty bonus etc were factored in on top of his basic wage.

Comolli signed Spearing, Kelly, Pacheco, and I think Flanagan onto new contract extensions roughly around the same time.

argosy2006

Spearing won't even get beach time with Lucas, Gerrard, Henderson,Shelvy,and Adam fit, Plus we should buy another midfield player, with experience,

Deserves a career else where. Proved his decent enough to have one,

Could play for everton lol

D'Agger

argosy2006 wrote: »

Spearing won't even get beach time with Lucas, Gerrard, Henderson,Shelvy,and Adam fit, Plus we should buy another midfield player, with experience,

Deserves a career else where. Proved his decent enough to have one,

Could play for everton lol

Until Lucas gets injured and it's realised that none of the other midfielders you mentioned can defend for their lives

El Inho

PaulieC wrote: »

Until Lucas gets injured and it's realised that none of the other midfielders you mentioned can defend for their lives

agreed...

no harm in keeping spearing who can cover for lucas....and investing elsewhere...

for example, why was adam brought in when many would pick shelvey ahead of him, and arguable ahead of henderson.

argosy2006

PaulieC wrote: »

Until Lucas gets injured and it's realised that none of the other midfielders you mentioned can defend for their lives

And then we play spearing, and right off another half a season,
We really need a better back up, Someone with experience, Who has won something,
A really pro who been around the block,

argosy2006

Spearing out Gökhan Inler in LOL!

D'Agger

argosy2006 wrote: »

And then we play spearing, and right off another half a season,
We really need a better back up, Someone with experience, Who has won something,
A really pro who been around the block,

You're leaving out the most important bit - who's willing to play second fiddle

If we could get one then fine but imo, Spearing doesn't cost much, he keeps his head down and works hard, he's a good squad player who'll do a job when we need him to.

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http://www.feintzebra.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/jay-spearing-is-riding-a-snail.jpg

argosy2006

PaulieC wrote: »

You're leaving out the most important bit - who's willing to play second fiddle

If we could get one then fine but imo, Spearing doesn't cost much, he keeps his head down and works hard, he's a good squad player who'll do a job when we need him to.

I just can't believe Gökhan Inler cost 12m last summer, and we ended up with Charlie Brown and co!

D'Agger

argosy2006 wrote: »

I just can't believe Gökhan Inler cost 12m last summer, and we ended up with Charlie Brown and co!

Inlers 27 - he's in his prime and isn't going to like being on the bench very much, I could be wrong but I don't think we'd have gotten the best out of him, had Lucas been injury free this season.

Obv it would've been great to have him with Lucas out but if we knew then what we knew now etc. etc.

K-9

DM isn't a necessity atm, a partner for Lucas is.