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Effectiveness of Closamectin Pour-On

Fendt712

Does anybody use the Closamectin 4 in 1 Pour-on with the application gun?

Started using it this year as its terribly easy to use when dosing a lot of cattle, but I'm wondering if anyone else has any opinions on how effective it is as oppose to the old fashioned dose down the throat.?

Cheers lads.

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Milton09

In my experience you might as well be pouring water on, never achieved good results from it or any other pour on for that matter, given up using them now.

bbam

We used it on housed cattle and found we had to repeat the application 4 weeks later to get a result... It's too expensive for that...

This year on similar cattle we injected with Ibermack and it worked great...

I've been told if your using pour-on's you MUST shave their backs immediately prior to the application.... Wouldn't consider buying one again. Inject or drench.

Figerty

Ive used it and found it fine. Weanlings coughing a bit when housed, but within a week or so of application the coughing stops.

I haven't shaved their back, but and the green coloud stays on the back a long while. I just use and old dosing bottle and literally pour it on.

I can't recall what it doesn't cover, I think from reading here previously that it doesn't cover something. Can't recall what it was.

Farmer Pudsey

As far as I know the active ingredient for fluke in Closmectin is the same as Flukiver. If you are using flukiver cattle are ment to be housed for 6 weeks before you will kill the majority of fluke. Personally if I am treating cattle at housing I use an Ivermectin Injection and either Trodax after two weeks for finishing cattle or in cattle being overwintered I use Flikiver at housing or a week or two before and again 6-8 weeks after housing.

I find that this works well I am not a fan of closmectin as I believe that it is unsuitable to use until cattle are housed 6-8 weeks if you want a complete fluke kill

Coughing is a sign of lungworm or a virus and any ivermectin product will kill worms the other thing you need to control at housing is Fluke.

eddiek

the brother bought 3 yearlins after xmas and one has been coughing on and off since. they were injected before he got them for sure. he used a pour-on on them and the vet injected the bullock 2 months ago.sorry i dont know the names of anything used. any ideas?

Farmer Pudsey

What pour on did you brother put on them and what did your vet inject for peunomia?

eddiek

first of all thanks 4 reply.yes pneumonia i think. i will find out what pour-on he used and post again.

island of tighe

i will never use closamectin again. the cattle were eaten alive with lice last year after using it six weeks after housing.i had to treat them all again by the end of january

Farmer Pudsey

eddiek wrote: »

first of all thanks 4 reply.yes pneumonia i think. i will find out what pour-on he used and post again.

Put the bullock up the crush get a thermometer to take his temperature off hand I do not know what his temperature should be maybe another poster can confirm or ask your vet. If his temperature is high it is odds on he has peunomia again, however if when he was treated with pour-on was he sick or was it the same time the vet inspected him?? If it was retreat for worms and fluke.
I am not a fan of pour-on especially Closmectin I know it is harder but I am inclined to go for the injection all the time it is way cheaper and it shouldn't take much longer with cattle up the chute and you can adjust the amount for the lighter and heavier animals

Tora Bora

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Put the bullock up the crush get a thermometer to take his temperature off hand I do not know what his temperature should be maybe another poster can confirm or ask your vet. If his temperature is high it is odds on he has peunomia again, however if when he was treated with pour-on was he sick or was it the same time the vet inspected him?? If it was retreat for worms and fluke.
I am not a fan of pour-on especially Closmectin I know it is harder but I am inclined to go for the injection all the time it is way cheaper and it shouldn't take much longer with cattle up the chute and you can adjust the amount for the lighter and heavier animals

Injection all the way, and give em enough of it:cool: . Make em cough it up;)

k mac

island of tighe wrote: »

i will never use closamectin again. the cattle were eaten alive with lice last year after using it six weeks after housing.i had to treat them all again by the end of january

+1 Had the same problem this year dosed with closamectin a couple of weeks after housing and they are destroyed with lice, recently treated all the cattle with taktic put on with a spraying machine. Closamectin may be very handy to use but expensive and not much use .

leoch

how do u know they were destroyed with lice were they scratching alot or could u see it on them

tim04750

Used it once a couple of years back,it worked ok did what it said on the tin but it took the cattle a long time to stop coughing, hard to have confidence in a premium price product that seems slow to act.

k mac

Tora Bora wrote: »

Injection all the way, and give em enough of it:cool: . Make em cough it up;)

What injection do you give tora. I will be letting out last years weanlings and want to dose them . I was told of a dose called mila something but cant remember what its full name is .

Farmer Pudsey

If you are letting cattle/weanlings out there should be no need to dose them as I presume that you treated them during housing. Leave about 5-6 weeks and then treat for worms any ivermectin injection use the unbranded one they are the cheapest Bimectin/ animec etc

Fendt712

Thanks for the replies lads. It seems there isn't a whole pile of faith in the pour on. Closamectin is supposedly a premium product and certainly a premium price.

It's been about 3 weeks since I used it on 50 odd heifers I have in the shed and there's some of them still coughing. With a premium product such as this it should work right first time and it does not seem to.

bbam

We switched to the Ibermac injection and found it much more effective.

Dunedin

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

If you are letting cattle/weanlings out there should be no need to dose them as I presume that you treated them during housing. Leave about 5-6 weeks and then treat for worms any ivermectin injection use the unbranded one they are the cheapest Bimectin/ animec etc

+1. for years at home, we would dosed/inject at turn out before eventually seeing the error in our ways.

One other essential thing is taking dung samples. Every year religiously, I would have treated cattle after about 6 weeks post turn out. Last year, I took dung samples costing about €30 in all - results came back from the lab saying that all samples were free of all worms, fluke (liver). there was a tiny bit of Rumen fluke in the cows of which Lavafast Diamond for €60 sorted out on the recommendation ofthe vet.

Doing the maths on all, it woudl have cost me about €250 to dose all when there was no need and in the end it cost me €60 plus €30 for the samples.

k mac

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

If you are letting cattle/weanlings out there should be no need to dose them as I presume that you treated them during housing. Leave about 5-6 weeks and then treat for worms any ivermectin injection use the unbranded one they are the cheapest Bimectin/ animec etc

Sorry farmer pudsy should have said had all the stock out already for a month but had to rehouse due to lack of grass and wet ground thats why i want to dose before i let out again .

Farmer Pudsey

k mac wrote: »

Sorry farmer pudsy should have said had all the stock out already for a month but had to rehouse due to lack of grass and wet ground thats why i want to dose before i let out again .

I find Bimectin is usually the cheapest to buy I can get it for 1.75 litres for 100 euro.

kincaid

is Noromectin‎ pour on any good for coughing cattle outside

patsy_mccabe

I've always used Normectin here and found it good. It's a bit early in the year for calves to be coughing. What age are they?

The Cuban

All these are metin based. I find for coughing cattle i.e Hoose then your better off using a drench like
Panacure or a generic like Fenben (Fenbendazole)
https://www.agridirect.ie/product/fenbenor-10-oral-dose-for-worms-in-cattle