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Meath GAA discussion thread

Hammer Archer

Well Galway has a thread, Mayo has one, even Cavan has one so why not us?

Two one point defeats in a row means we're back into relegation trouble especially if we lose to Derry next week. Having said that, beat Derry next week and promotion is still a (remote) possibility. Joe Sheridan leaving for the States certainly isn't going to help.
Thought the performance yesterday was easily the worst of the league. Our away form is killing us still.

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Atomic Pineapple

Personally would like to see Banty go but not as a scape goat as a complete overall and regeneration of the whole set-up, things have become very stale in the Meath camp and it has to be stripped bare and rebuilt from the ground up, ignoring the county teams success for the next 3 years at least and concentrating on building for the future.

my friend

I hope Sean clears the Bench when he steps in

too many 'Palace men'

Atomic Pineapple

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Royal Legend

draffodx wrote: »

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In fairness to him he is right, if they want rid of him then sack him, the county board were looking for a cowardly way out of doing their job

He brought a style of football here that we have been accused for years of playing but actually didn't play,which was negative in the extreme. I witnessed his Monaghan team a few years ago vs Kerry and their tactics that day were imo disgusting, especially the treatment handed out to the Gooch. What did the county board expect, that if we brought in a Northern coach we could emulate their recent success? No thanks, we play football in Meath, always have, always strive to, it might have been intense and borderline, but it was never negative to the extent that some of the Northern teams play. I would argue this point with anyone

rpurfield

apart from the obvious route of going to club agms etc is there any way of forcing this laughing stock of a management commitee out?leave aside the rights and wrongs of keeping or sacking banty could they not just come out and say right your gone or no were keeping him.this whole situation stems from the kick back from clubs and delegates over the handling of the leinster final fiasco, their latest move i believe is less full board meetings and more communication via email.

theres a litany of failure that can be put at their feet apart from what ive mentioned above.the state of pairc tailteann, the lack of underage success in the last fifteen years to name two.time for a lot of that committee to step down and let people that can organise piss ups in brewerys to take over

To Alcohol

I hear rumours Boylan may be back in charge.

KERSPLAT!

To Alcohol wrote: »

I hear rumours Boylan may be back in charge.

I heard the same but he's not exactly a reliable source

MickySticks

Meath's new sponsor for next year.

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Hammer Archer

MickySticks wrote: »

Meath's new sponsor for next year.

That is actually very good.

my friend

Barney - you are a spineless mealy mouthed weasel, not a man.

Fintan - you are a spineless mealy mouthed weasel, not a man.

Brendan - you are a spineless mealy mouthed weasel, not a man.

Banty- you are a spineless mealy mouthed weasel, not a man.

When will the people of Meath rise up?

3 biggest problems with Meath football

1. County Board
2. Club delegates
3. 'Palace' boys aka 'soft' footballers

the 'team' had the balls to go drinking in the palace after the most humiliating Meath defeat ever

any lad that went there after their pathetic display should be terminated by SB, no excuses.

Flancrest

my friend wrote: »

Barney - you are a spineless mealy mouthed weasel, not a man.

Fintan - you are a spineless mealy mouthed weasel, not a man.

Brendan - you are a spineless mealy mouthed weasel, not a man.

Banty- you are a spineless mealy mouthed weasel, not a man.

When will the people of Meath rise up?

3 biggest problems with Meath football

1. County Board
2. Club delegates
3. 'Palace' boys aka 'soft' footballers

the 'team' had the balls to go drinking in the palace after the most humiliating Meath defeat ever

any lad that went there after their pathetic display should be terminated by SB, no excuses.

What are you on about lad?

And lets be realistic here do you really think Sean Boylan will comeback a few weeks after stepping down as director of football. Cop yourself on he didn't quit because Banty was the manager.

dave13

According to RTE News County Board are trying to offload Banty and bring back Boylan, meeting next wednesday.

Flancrest

dave13 wrote: »

According to RTE News County Board are trying to offload Banty and bring back Boylan, meeting next wednesday.

Yeah they asked him to resign last night. Don't think he will as he was at a championship game in Ashbourne last night.
Really can't see Boylan taking over for the summer and tbh I'm not sure if I want him to come back. Now in no way do I think he wouldn't be able for the job its just at some stage we'lkl have to forget about the Boylan factor and move on. Not sure who would want to take the job though

Pighead

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/1304120849-meath-board-recommend-boylan-appointment/

The Meath management committee have recommended the termination of Seamus McEnaney’s spell as manager and the appointment of Seán Boylan as his replacement.
McEnaney has been under severe pressure since Meath were relegated to Division III following their crushing defeat to Louth last Sunday.
The termination of his management will be recommended at a meeting of the county board on Wednesday, April 18.
Boylan, who stepped down as the Royals’ director of football last week, has been recommended as the Monaghan native’s replacement, the Meath County Board confirmed in a statement.
Boylan previously managed Meath for 23 years, guiding them to four All-Ireland titles. He stepped down in 2005.

Atomic Pineapple

Personally I don't understand the whole Palace culture that seems that have creeped into the team, I know local Gaa and Soccer teams that won't play anyone that they know have been out drinking during league/cup campaigns. I know two lads who won't go out drinking or if they do its just for one or two and they head home then (when the season is on).

Yet you see half the Meath team in the Palace every weekend during the league and the championship campaigns. Something wrong there in my opinion.

Royal Legend

Pighead wrote: »

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/1304120849-meath-board-recommend-boylan-appointment/

The Meath management committee have recommended the termination of Seamus McEnaney’s spell as manager and the appointment of Seán Boylan as his replacement.
McEnaney has been under severe pressure since Meath were relegated to Division III following their crushing defeat to Louth last Sunday.
The termination of his management will be recommended at a meeting of the county board on Wednesday, April 18.
Boylan, who stepped down as the Royals’ director of football last week, has been recommended as the Monaghan native’s replacement, the Meath County Board confirmed in a statement.
Boylan previously managed Meath for 23 years, guiding them to four All-Ireland titles. He stepped down in 2005.

Personally, I would be more than happy to see Sean back, maybe 7 years is too long away, but if nothing else, he will inject a bit of steel into our play and hopefully into the panel. In saying that, all remnants of the last regime need to go, including Geraghty. Hopefully Sean can bring the likes of Harnan on board. I am sure that Sean will see this as a proud Meathman coming in to help out his county in a short term capacity.

RealityCheck

To me as an outsider it seems that Meath are reaping the seeds that have been sown for years. If your only alternative is to go back to Sean Boylan (as great a manager and all as he has been) it really is a sign of a lack of managerial nous. Ye must have been right stuck to have appointed Banty in the first place. I realize that this might be a stop gap measure, but do Meath have a manager with the ability required?

On top of this, ye like Galway are living off past glories. A mentality that ye should automatically be a big team without having to put the same efforts in to development that other counties (Cork, Tyrone etc) have had to go through.

Similarly the players are guilty of same if they have a reputation for drinking, but I'm sure thats a reflection on the manager as much as the players.

Atomic Pineapple

I agree, going back to Boylan isn't the best solution and that Meath even the players themselves, in fact maybe more so and thats the problem believe that they simply have a right to be a big name team, it's been evident for a few years now that a lot of the players have more interest in themselves being semi celebrity types than in putting their heart and soul into playing for the County.

Boylan instilled steel into all his teams and that's the first ingredient we need to get back if we're not going to be embarrassed in the championship.

Squareball

Should go after Mr. Andrews.........Meath blood flowing in his veins. Mother and Father both from Meath. His mother is one of the finest proponents of the sideline umberlla I have ever seen.

Hammer Archer

I can't see Boylan taking the job. He didn't leave his director of football post because of Banty so it's obvious he has something against the county board.
And personally I wouldn't like to see Boylan back as manager. Don't get me wrong, he's one of the best ever managers in Ireland and the nicest guy you could hope to meet but I think he's been out of the game for too long and it seems like the County Board are trying to distract Meath fans from the mess they've helped create of Meath football by bringing in a Meath legend as manager (like Dalglish at Liverpool). I think that either they bring in a permanent manager now or bear with Banty until the end of the championship.
I'd also agree with draffodx that we should focus on developing the team for the future at the probable detriment of the present.

In other news, what a result for Dunboyne against Dunshaughlin in the SFC first round. Ended 3-12 to 0-08 after Dunboyne were 0-08 to 1-3 down at half time.
Also, the minor team for tomorrow's game against Longford has been named:

Robert Burlingham (Simonstown Gaels)
Jason Dowdall (Clonard)
Brian Power (Ratoath)
David Toner (St Vincents/Curraha)
Declan Smyth (Dunsany)
Shane McEntee (St Peters Dunboyne/Kilbride)
Ruairi O'Coileain (Dunsany)
Padraic Harnan (Jenkinstown Gaels) (Captain)
Adam Flanagan (Clonard)
Cillian O'Sullivan (Jenkinstown Gaels)
Paddy Kennelly (Dunderry)
James McEntee (St Vincents/Curraha)
Barry Dardis (Summerhill)
Eamon Wallace (Ratoath)
Stephan Coogan (Dunderry)

Eamonn Wallace at full forward is a fantastic player. Hopefully they can get a result.

Royal Legend

One question I have is as follows.
Last week Sean resigns as director of football, no real reasons given
this week, banty asked by county board to resign, bit he refuses
then county board come out and state that they have given Banty a vote of no confidence and that Sean is the nominated candidate to take over.

Considering Sean resigned before the Louth fiasco, had the county board already decided to get rid of banty? and did sean know already? (although, why would he resign, it would have been a seamless move from DOF to Manager)

Hammer Archer

Minors beat Longford 1-11 to 11 points in pearse park yesterday.
Hurlers play Kildare in the league final today. It'd be fantastic if they can get promoted.

DARK-KNIGHT

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Minors beat Longford 1-11 to 11 points in pearse park yesterday.
Hurlers play Kildare in the league final today. It'd be fantastic if they can get promoted.

Good luck hammer should be a great game always highly contested hurling matches!!

Hammer Archer

Nip and tuck. 1-9 apiece 10 minutes or so into the second half.

Hammer Archer

15 wides for Meath :mad:
1-12 to 1-11 to Kildare with 6 or 7 minutes left.

Hammer Archer

Argh Kildare get two quick goals and it's game over. 3-12 to 1-11. Harsh.

Hammer Archer

3-13 to 1-12 it finishes. Slightly flattering in the end for Kildare as we were ahead with less than 10 minutes left. The two quick goals (one of them slightly dodgy) were the killers as well as the 16/17 wides we hit.
Hard luck lads. Definitely a much better league performance than the footballers.
Down or Wicklow will be in 2B next year and if Farell stays on we should have a good chance of promotion.

MickySticks

Hard luck Hammer Archer, can we count that as 7 in a row? :pac:

Royal Legend

Colm O'Rourke's article from the Indo today on the current situation, he was a bit more fortright tonight on League Sunday

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/colm-orourke/colm-orourke-meath-merrygoround-spinning-out-of-control-3081206.html

Football affairs in Meath are beginning to resemble the film Groundhog Day, where the same thing happens over and over again. When all else fails, the solution is to sack the manager.
This is the fourth in rapid succession and maybe next year this article could be dusted off and reprinted to describe another season of turmoil. If the same mistakes are made on an ongoing basis, then the outcome will not be any different.
Whether Seamus McEnaney stays or goes is immaterial in many ways, in the same way as Eamonn Barry, Colm Coyle or Eamonn O'Brien. They are not the problem. There are structural difficulties with Meath football which need careful analysis, policy formation and, most importantly of all, implementation.
Whether this is possible in the present circumstances is questionable and the really big problem is the lack of direction, leadership and, maybe of even greater concern, accountability. Until these aspects are tackled then the drift towards bitterness and recrimination, which has been taking place for a long time, will continue. The end result is that a lot of good and talented people are keeping their heads down and don't want to get involved at county board level -- a great untapped resource just waiting to be released.
Of course, the county board is a properly working democracy and the work done by all who serve is phenomenal, so anyone who criticises this operation can put themselves forward in the same way as all the others. Yet even with all of this there is a need for specialists in areas who are simply not there at the moment.
There is a need for someone to coordinate a different layer of workers and in the past I have advocated a full-time official whose most important role would be policy and planning -- and ensuring things get done.
The recent Meath record in underage football is one of the worst in the country. I was involved at under 21 level myself recently and was not very successful at doing anything about it, so the first question to be examined is what is happening at underage and are quality players being lost or are they not there at all?
From what I see every day at school, there is huge potential and yet it just seems to disappear. If it is coaching or games development then they should be easily tackled, even if the frequency of games has improved a lot over the last couple of years. The GAA must be able to replicate what is happening in both soccer and rugby: a regular pattern of games which are known well in advance. At the moment, football matches come up and managers are busy trying to avoid clashes with other games which are scheduled for weeks ahead.
Then, on top of that, there is a huge gap for someone to monitor talented players at all ages and to have specialist coaching available to them. There is a huge pool of ex-inter-county players who would be quite willing to help in this regard. Nutrition, weights programmes and so on are the natural extension of that process. This should lead on to better standards at club level too.
The idea is that this whole process will end up with a core of top-class players at senior level, which is not happening at the moment. It should be. Meath has seen huge growth over the last 20 years and now has a population of around 180,000. Off the back of that, with proper systems in place, Meath should be a contender for the All-Ireland every year, not once every 20 or 30 years as has been happening up to now.
Football is the big game in Meath, there is a very good club structure and while there is no big soccer or rugby club, the influence of those games is beginning to take a firm hold in schools. This is an area which needs much greater attention -- where else could you have a captive audience of thousands of young people each day?
From the beginning of this article I made little mention of Seamus McEnaney or the current players, as the fundamentals of any organisation must be right before success is a possibility. This is something which is very evident in being principal of a big school. I have no doubt that the players who are being heavily criticised at the moment, and who are being accused of having no passion or pride, are just as committed as the many teams I played on.
Over my 20-year career with Meath, I played on teams which performed just as badly, or maybe even worse, than what is happening now. And I have seen managers in the same position as McEnaney too.
When he took on this job I had absolutely no opposition to the appointment of an outside manager. It has not worked out for him. This is certainly nothing to do with the level of organisation which the players would still say is very good. So they are willing to accept as much or even more of the responsibility for current results. They are feeling very miserable about the current turn of events.
Yet when McEnaney lost local selectors Liam Harnan and Barry Callaghan last year, the odds were stacked against him unless he delivered a major championship win. That looks a long way off now.
A number of years ago, I went for the Meath job armed with a ten-point plan for overall improvement. I did not get the manager's job and none of what I wanted was ever implemented. It doesn't mean that everything I sought was right, but there were plenty of things which would have improved Meath football fairly quickly.
The next time I go for an interview I will be bringing the same points in another showing of Groundhog Day.
After last Sunday, I hoped that Seamus McEnaney would walk away for his personal dignity. It cannot be any fun and there is the pressure and stress of families to consider. There is nothing wrong with saying that things have not worked out the way he hoped and the best position for everyone is to start again. After all, defeat in the championship was end game anyway.
Nobody doubts his hard work, passion and commitment and that of all his management team who only want the same as every supporter. Now the whole thing has turned messy and very personal. It means Meath won't be looking for another outsider any day soon and recent experience shows that locals are shafted just as quickly anyway.
Managing a county team should carry a health warning and these last few weeks have demonstrated in many counties that there is just as little loyalty to managers in football or hurling as in other sports.
It is a fairly sad situation to be writing this about my own county where I am convinced that there is more potential than we are seeing right now. Enoch Powell once famously said that all political careers end in failure and it is true of nearly every manager.
In Meath now it is a case of changing the riders on the merry-go-round again. Unless and until the right people are put in charge of the areas of key responsibility with clear targets and accountability, then it is only a question of how long it takes the merry-go-round to stop next time.

Have to say I agree with a lot of that, Paul Kimmage on i-talk sport made a comment today that O'Rourke needed to name names, well all I can say is mind your own business Paul. What is needed is for everyone to pull together and try to sort this out, that Sean should be back in charge by next weekend is a good start imo.

klong

A fulltime official in charge of GAA strategy (and one with actual powers, by the way!) would be a good start I think. Adopt best practice from other counties (and other codes if neccessary) and use them to our advantage.

Unfortunately I'm living outside the county now and so wouldn't have the ear to the ground as much. What other ideas would do the business, folks?