byhookorbycrook wrote: » Watching the race again. The horse was "hot to trot" ears pricked, tail up.Vet and dr, gave both AP and Synchronised a good once over too.
My name is URL wrote: » And he soldiered on even after the fall. Such gallantry. Such perseverance. Such bloody anthropomorphism
Harry Angstrom wrote: » Wow, that's a big word. For somebody who "never actually watches or bets on the sport", you've become a great expert all of a sudden.
Wow, that's a big word
kincsem wrote: » The problem on this thread is the people who think horses (1) should not jump fences (2) think they should have their leg put in plaster and recover in the horse hospital ... ... are very ignorant about the breed, its origins, who pays the bills, and what can be sorted by a vet. If they can explain who will pay to keep 20,000+ horses as pets then imo they can follow on and explain why would they keep them as pets. Year 2010 Ireland STALLIONS.......240 MARES........15,345 FOALS .........7,588
My name is URL wrote: » I don't watch or bet on American Football either, but I understand enough about it to form an opinion on it. What's your problem with that? It's not really.
gsxr1 wrote: » kincsem wrote: » The problem on this thread is the people who think horses (1) should not jump fences (2) think they should have their leg put in plaster and recover in the horse hospital ... ... are very ignorant about the breed, its origins, who pays the bills, and what can be sorted by a vet. If they can explain who will pay to keep 20,000+ horses as pets then imo they can follow on and explain why would they keep them as pets. Year 2010 Ireland STALLIONS.......240 MARES........15,345 FOALS .........7,588 YOU seem to be the ignorant one. Read back. I was simply asking horse people why a horse has to be put down when they break a limb. It does not make sense to most and was explained in full. For all I know there is a horse hospital. Thats why I asked. What I do know (from a friend who owns 3 horses and is sitting beside me right now) is that a horse kept as a pet does not cost 20000 a year.
calfmuscle wrote: » it is NOT rich horse people who decide to put horses down. it is vets who do it for welfare reasons
calfmuscle wrote: » Your friend should know, as a horse owner that as pray animal a horse only lies down about 30minutes a day. Because of this their broken limb never gets a chance to heal. Meaning months of prolonged agony if you attempt to heal it. Also to give the leg a chance to heal you need to lock the horse into a stable for at least 6 weeks which is mental torture for intelligent social animals. it is NOT rich horse people who decide to put horses down. it is vets who do it for welfare reasons
roy rodgers wrote: » Thank you for talking sense it a pity others dont understand the mental mind of an animal. I reakon they should higher the fences and put more jumps and most importantly half the prize money, its a group 3 race with group one horses in it.
gsxr1 wrote: » roy rodgers wrote: » Thank you for talking sense it a pity others dont understand the mental mind of an animal. I reakon they should higher the fences and put more jumps and most importantly half the prize money, its a group 3 race with group one horses in it. Why would you make it even higher?
BX 19 wrote: » I've been behind the big screen that they pull over when a horse's life is been ended at the races. Not a pretty sight. The horse knows its coming even when sedated. I've also seen a young vet missing the first time and having to do the job twice. I would have no qualms about banning it.
xxxJennyxxx wrote: » You can really see the difference between the people who actually know horses compared to the people who only make 1 bet a year on one of the most famous races known.
gsxr1 wrote: » YOU seem to be the ignorant one. Read back. I was simply asking horse people why a horse has to be put down when they break a limb. It does not make sense to most and was explained in full. For all I know there is a horse hospital. Thats why I asked. What I do know (from a friend who owns 3 horses and is sitting beside me right now) is that a horse kept as a pet does not cost 20000 a year.
nummnutts wrote: » And the ones who pay absolutely no attention at all to it, except if a horse unfortunately suffers a fatal injury on National day. As someone above mentioned - where are they the other 364 days a year?
gsxr1 wrote: » Why would you make it even higher?
sheepfield wrote: » Hello? What do you actually know about national hunt racing? The above indicates without any question the sheer ignorance and idiocy of the people who decide - once a year - to indulge in an ill-informed rant about horse racing. For me, the race today was one of the most exciting and thrilling in years. The winner put up an extraordinary performance, winning off 157, carrying 11st 6lbs and galloping right to the line. He is a french-bred former Cheltenham Gold Cup runner-up, trained by one of the sports best trainers, treated better than most people in the industry, who for seven seasons has demonstrated a great attitude to jumping and galloping. I don't buy into this "my little pony" animal rights bull**** that decrees that if a horse is injured or, unfortunately, dies in the race we should therefore ban all horse-racing or at the very least turn the worlds greatest steeplechase into a glorified hurdle race. For context, a local trainer close to me lost his best horse on the track lately: an unfortunate event whereby she broke a shoulder during a race: an injury that could not be foreseen or prevented, bar you ban the whole concept of horse racing. All connected with the horse would be hugely disappointed, from the financial point of view to the genuine feeling of loss of an animal close to their heart. What is wrong with people nowadays? Millions of people are starving in the developing world, the economy of this country is shagged but still a few dewey-eyed idiots are hogging the media spotlight (even the mainstream media are infected) in an attempt to disrupt what is for me one of the most iconic and memorable ten minutes in all of sport. And let me be clear: I love animals. I hate seeing them injured or abused. This does NOT happen in the grand national. For feck sake, get a grip....
dr.bollocko wrote: » If they were race horses and died while racing they were most likely crap horses to begin with and deserved their fate. edit: this was a joke. Please contain your outrage until you read more of the thread.
Johro wrote: » Not watching horses die on national television I'd guess. I don't understand why having no interest in racing disqualifies anyone from having a valid opinion. This is not an isolated incident when it comes to the Grand National race. It's a well known fact. Twenty horses died since 2000.
Princess Peach wrote: » I believe it should be banned, along with greyhound racing. Cruelty to animals for sport and gambling pretty much disgusts me. Sadly is never going to happen though.
kincsem wrote: » OK. Horses are flight animals. Their instinct is to get to their feet, and be ready to flee from danger. That is not a good idea for a horse with a broken leg. Too much weight on a narrow broken bone is not good for healing (I assume it was a broken cannon bone.) They will break the leg again. The only horse I know that recovered from a significant break was Mill Reef, the winner of Coventry Stakes (1970), Gimcrack Stakes (1970), Dewhurst Stakes (1970), Greenham Stakes (1971), Epsom Derby (1971), Eclipse Stakes (1971), K. George VI & Q. Elizabeth Stakes (1971), Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe (1971), Prix Ganay (1972), Coronation Cup (1972). As far as I remember Mill Reef was suspended in a sling under his midriff in a stable for months. When he was lowered he was smart enough to keep weight off the broken leg which was encased in plaster of Paris. When he recovered he became a very successful sire and generated large stud fees for about fifteen years until he died. Wikipedia Fully recovered Mill Reef was being trained for an Autumn campaign and a return to the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe in October when tragedy struck during a routine gallop where he stumbled and shattered his foreleg. Only great veterinary skill could save him. The colt showed remarkable temperament and patience. The racing world had lost one of its best-loved performers. Charles Allen, a veterinary specialist was flown in, Mill Reef's fracture was a complicated one. A triangularly shaped piece of bone about two and a half inches long was broken from the lower end of the cannon bone and was considerably displaced. The inner sesamoid bone was completely shattered and the rim of the top of the main pastern bone was damaged. It seemed likely that the inner sesamoid bone was the first to break with the result the next step the fetlock was not braced and the foot and the pastern were pointing outwards. The sheer pressure of the horse's weight caused the crumbling of the rim of the Pastern bone and the breaking of the cannon bone. It was decided that an operation would be performed in a building in Ian Balding's yard. A six-hour period was taken to place a simplified stainless-steel compression plate held by 3 screws to pin the broken pieces to the cannon bone. The injuries on the sesamoid bone or the rim of the pastern were avoided. The operation was successful. Miracles of modern veterinary science and undaunting courage had saved the life of this superstar. Professor Edwin James Roberts had performed the operation thus Mill Reef's life was saved by him. His vet John Hallam, played a major role in nursing him for three months and his relationship with this great horse and the meticulous care he took of the horse while nursing him, was one of Racing's most touching stories. After the painstaking operation he was saved and, though his racing career was over, he became a stallion at The National Stud in Newmarket. Almost 100% of National Hunt horses are geldings and can not reproduce. The only income they produce (or can produce) for their owners is win and place money from races. All the horses in the 2012 Grand national were geldings. Wikipedia Battleship, in 1938, an 11-year-old became the first American-bred horse to ever win England's most prestigious steeplechase event, the Grand National. He remains the smallest horse ever to win the Grand National and the last entire horse to win it. (entire=not gelded.) Ignorance is a word in the dictionary. It means "lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc." I am surprised that people who know little about horseracing feel they can second-guess the owner, trainer, and vet. The people who know little believe they are caring souls and have the animal's welfare at heart. The opposite is true (caused by their ignorance.) Read the description of Mill Reef's injuries above and you will see why horses are put down. I never said it cost 20,000 to keep a horse for a year. That is what you misunderstood from misreading my post and getting emotional. I said there are 20,000+ horses in the country (23,173 is you add up the numbers for 2010 just below where I said 20,000+.) When a horse is badly injured the people who care for it do what is best for the animal. Hundreds of years of care for the horse has taught them what must be done as quickly as possible. They care more than the ignorant bystanders. They do not put down the horse because they enjoy it. It is the kindest thing to do. I had a share in a horse. It broke a leg in its first race and was put down. Saying you are sitting beside someone who has three horses. Irrelevant.
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