ISAW wrote: » I call that ad hominem. Others call it "getting rid of ISAW".
robindch wrote: » As I mentioned before, your posting style sees you disagreeing seemingly only for the sake of disagreeing, making it needlessly argumentative and petty, nit-picking while missing the larger picture, and engaging in endless degrees of whataboutery. It's simply no fun. And the way you format your posts isn't much help either. That's not "ad hominem", since it's not a comment about you. Instead, that's a commentary upon your posting style.
An investigation is under way after indecent images were "inadvertently" shown by a Catholic priest during a presentation at a primary school in County Tyrone. Father Martin McVeigh projected the images onto a screen during a meeting for parents in Pomeroy in preparation for First Holy Communion. One child was also present.
swiss wrote: » http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17582542 I'm guessing the porn images were on the USB and whatever laptop/PC had autorun enabled, running windows slide viewer when media containing images is inserted ......
ISAW wrote: » Yep Robin. You cant supply any support for your claim about 6.5% and pedophile priests so obviously the problem is my posting style i guess?
dmw07 wrote: » He has a valid point. Until you Robin, can substantiate your crazy claims about the 6.5% pedophile priests, I will also refuse to believe it is due to ISAW's posting style and "other". :pac:
marienbad wrote: » ISAW give it up will you , it is just boring at this stage. Who made you the keeper of the stats ? If you want to get a true picture of abuse try taking lessons from those poor women fighting on the rape front if you want to get a perspective on the ratio of occurance / reporting/ conviction . You might learn something - if not about stats at least about charity and compassion.
ISAW wrote: » So you dont care about false claims? how about the false claims made against Priests? dont care about them either i suppose? Fair enough. i cant make yu care but I can point out when stats are being mis reported. In this case they are. But the claim ois still being uphemld by robin when he has been unable to support it. By any objective standard that is unfair. Attacking me personally or how I post isnt changing an unsupported innuendo into a valid claim. If the evidence is there post it! If not admit the truth that you dont have it! It is an empty unsupported claim which you just happen to believe. Your unsupported opinion and not a FACT as people her have tried to claim. It is a very important point. People have had to resign form their jobs today because of such things. But leaving that aside there are academic standards of integrity and objectivity to consider.
Gardaí have interviewed 17 men who claim they were sexually abused while attending a college on the outskirts of Cork.The complaints date back to the 1970s, 1980s and early 1990s when the college was run by the order of Missionaries of the Sacred Heart.They have been made against four former members of staff at the Carrignavar college. It is understood that one of them died recently. "It has been alleged that some of the victims were subjected to repeated abuse over some length of time," a Garda source said. There is no evidence, however, that any of the pupils was "passed around" to other perpetrators. "The alleged victims we have spoken to are now living all over the country. Some are still living in Cork and Kerry and Limerick. But others are living further away, some of them in border counties," the source added. In some cases the complainants went to be interviewed at Cobh Garda Station. However, gardaí also travelled to other people’s homes, or met them at a mutually agreed venue to conduct interviews. They have also interviewed several other people who were said by the alleged victims to be able to substantiate their stories. A team of six gardaí has been working on the case since the first complaint was made by a former boarder at Sacred Heart College, Carrignavar, last August. The investigation, which is still continuing, has been mounted by gardaí from the Cobh district who are being aided by detectives from the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation (NBCI) based at Harcourt Square, Dublin. When the investigation was launched, senior gardaí promised it would be "methodical and painstaking". It is likely to take several weeks to complete. They will wait until they have completed their investigation before interviewing the alleged perpetrators.The Catholic Church’s National Board for Safeguarding Children is also investigating the Missionaries of the Sacred Heart’s handling of abuse as is the office for the minister of children. Last November, the support organisation One-In-Four held a special meeting in Cork at which its counsellors spoke with six people who claimed they were sexually abused while attending the school. One-In-Four executive director, Maeve Lewis, said her organisation was liaising closely with the gardaí and HSE on the case. She said any victims of sexual abuse were welcome to ring her organisation at 01 6624070.
Sarky wrote: » That's just 17 isolated incidents in the same place!
Bannasidhe wrote: » That's just 17 isolated incidents in the same place over the course of 3 decades by the same 4 individuals.
dmw07 wrote: » So that makes one case then. :pac:
Bannasidhe wrote: » No doubt some will spin it that way.
Col¨¢iste an Chro¨ª Naofa, Carraig na bhFear, is a Catholic School of the Missionaries of the Sacred Heart, inspired by the charism of "bringing God's love to all people". It is dedicated to Christian Education.
Penn wrote: » Yeah, but there were 61.53846154 priests working there. If 4 priests were involved, that's 6.5% of them!
robindch wrote: » that gives a abuser rate of rate of a little over 2.5%.
robindch wrote: » Assuming that this means 150 clerics -- not an unreasonable assumption, I hope -- that gives a abuser rate of rate of a little over 2.5%.
The Vatican has moved to suppress dissent in the Irish Catholic Church by clamping down on two well-known liberal Redemptorist priests as well as the congregation’s monthly magazine, Reality. Restrictions have been placed on Fr Tony Flannery, a founder of the Association of Catholic Priests, whose monthly column in the magazine has been discontinued. A clampdown has also been imposed on the magazine itself and its editor, Fr Gerard Moloney, who, it is believed, is no longer allowed to write on certain issues. Neither priest would comment when contacted by The Irish Times yesterday.
In a homily during the traditional Maundy Thursday “Chrism” Mass in St Peter’s, the Pope issued a highly unusual rebuttal to those who question Church teaching on questions such as the ordination of women. “Recently a group of priests from a European country issued a summons to disobedience . . . even to the point of disregarding definite decisions of the church’s magisterium, such as the question of women’s ordination . . . But is disobedience really a way to do this? Do we sense here . . . a desperate push to do something to change the church in accordance with one’s own preferences and ideas?” While the pope here seems to be making a clear reference to the “Pfarrer Initiative”, promoted by over 300 Austrian priests, his hardline rejection of the call for changes also fits in perfectly with reports yesterday that dissident Irish priest Tony Flannery is under investigation by the Holy See.
EDUCATION Minister Ruairi Quinn yesterday admitted publicly for the first time that religious orders don't have the cash or assets to pay their share of the compensation bill for abuse. And he said he had no intention of bankrupting the orders -- which leaves him facing a massive battle to recover their half of a €1.5bn bill. The taxpayer is already picking up €750m of the expected final cost but now faces having to pay far more.
koth wrote: » Religious orders can't pay their share of the 15 billion abuse bill
qrrgprgua wrote: » Don't see why the orders should have to pay in the first place..... Its like saying I should have to pay for my Fathers mistakes or my Grandfathers mistakes. Unless you were part of the abuse either in the order or as part of the government, Why should you pay for it. That said, most orders are paying, its just that the wealth they had 5 years ago was mostly property, property is now worth less than 50% of what it was worth. No point beating a dead horse over it.
koth wrote: » and feck the victims? Officials at various levels within the church were complicit in perverting the course of justice. It's only right that they should bear some of the responsibility.
Bannasidhe wrote: » Are you for real?????? An organisation which covered up and enabled the abuse of children should not pay compensation to the victims of their clergy???? An organisation which has billions of euro worth of art works in its possession can't afford to pay????? Let Rome flog off a Michaelangelo or two to pay compensation to it's victims :mad:
