relax carry on wrote: » Given that there appears to be a little bit of reluctance in paying a yearly property tax; do any of the arm chair economists on boards have any concrete costed measures for reducing €16 billon hole in the public finances? Try to keep away from frothing at the mouth comments about bankers, the IMF etc. Just curious as to what people would do for the economy if they were in govt. When replying could you indicate how much your measures would reduce the 16 billon by and if you think any of your proposals would encounter opposition.
howsyourtusk wrote: » Tax the rich.
mikemac1 wrote: » Those Spaniards are stealing our fish :mad: Send out the navy for some target practice
AboutTwoFiddy wrote: » relax carry on wrote: » Given that there appears to be a little bit of reluctance in paying a yearly property tax; do any of the arm chair economists on boards have any concrete costed measures for reducing €16 billon hole in the public finances? Try to keep away from frothing at the mouth comments about bankers, the IMF etc. Just curious as to what people would do for the economy if they were in govt. When replying could you indicate how much your measures would reduce the 16 billon by and if you think any of your proposals would encounter opposition. Household Tax would only raise €160 million, not €16 billion.
Wibbs wrote: » Reduce public service costs. Revisit the Croke park agreement, specifically in the higher and mid wage bands. Contrary to popular many many PS workers are at the lower pay grade so leave them be. Streamline/combine PS depts. This will require lay offs but that's the position we're in. Streamline councils, by reducing their number and the number of councilors. Massively reduce, even stop the overseas aid payments(at last count that would save over tree times what the household tax will bring in). Tighten up payments to "sick" banks. Major overhaul of the SW system. Look at simple things like urban, particularly suburban street lighting. Switch off every second or third streetlight. That'll ease the bills. Kill all vanity projects, except those that will provide provable returns(IE green energy projects that actually work). In the building of such projects make sure costings are real and if a company over runs such costings fine them for it. That's just off the top of my head.
Tipp Man wrote: » Public sector wages (inc pensions) Cut 10% save 1.2 billion Cut 20% save 2.4 billion Social Welfare Cut total bill by 10% save 1.9 billion cut total bill by 20% save 3.8 billion Spending on these 2 items is simply out of control and way above what we can afford
msg11 wrote: » No more of this allowances bollix. The TD's get paid well, so take it out of there own money. Cars, pens and rulers the lot if they need it that badly they can pay themselves.
relax carry on wrote: » And do you think there would be much opposition?
relax carry on wrote: » With a plan like this you must also take into account that by taking those amounts out of the equation you must also reduce the tax intake meaning your savings would actually be a lot less in terms of reduced Income tax, USC etc.
kippy wrote: » relax carry on wrote: » Given that there appears to be a little bit of reluctance in paying a yearly property tax; do any of the arm chair economists on boards have any concrete costed measures for reducing €16 billon hole in the public finances? Try to keep away from frothing at the mouth comments about bankers, the IMF etc. Just curious as to what people would do for the economy if they were in govt. When replying could you indicate how much your measures would reduce the 16 billon by and if you think any of your proposals would encounter opposition. I think you have a misguided opinion on why people are not paying the property tax at this point. There are people with varying reasons. For example there are those that are using this as a form of protest (as it is one of the very few taxations that one can NOT pay unlike income taxes, VAT etc etc). These people realise a property tax is required to stabilise finances etc however aren't going to hand over 100 euro + whatever the charge will go to next year without getting some solid answers and action from the government. Stuff around one law for us another for them, stuff about broken promises on local and national government reform, issues about paying anlos debts, issues over efficiencies in the public/civil service etc etc. The people of this ilk will probably end up paying the charge but they want to at least have some form of protest over the mess we are in.
Tipp Man wrote: » relax carry on wrote: » With a plan like this you must also take into account that by taking those amounts out of the equation you must also reduce the tax intake meaning your savings would actually be a lot less in terms of reduced Income tax, USC etc. Social welfare recipients contributing nothing to the income tax Those are net of tax figures for the public sector
relax carry on wrote: » Cheers. Am aware there are a multitude of reasons for not paying the 100 fee. Am also aware that despite all the frothing at the mouth posters against proprty taxes in general, that there are a good portion of people who see the need for more taxes as well as spending cuts to close the 16 billon gap. Just wondering if the good people of boards have actually thought how they would close the gap and the problems associated with it.
relax carry on wrote: » Some DSP benefits are taxable such as JSB or Illness benefit. Not to mention they contributory pension state pension. If a persons combined yearly income from all sources exceeds what their tax credits/reliefs can cover, then they pay tax. Also as already mentioned by another poster cutting the Public sector pay bill and social welfare bill impacts on the amount income these people can spend which affects the overall tax intake for the country.
