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Atheism & Agnosticism are not the same thing!

Pompous

Yet boards mods seem to think so. There is actually a forum that goes by the title 'Atheism & Agnosticism'.

I am disappointed that boards is perpetuating the misconception that atheists are agnostics, and vice versa. They are so different from eachother that having a forum with this title is like having a forum called 'Catholicism & Protestantism', or 'Agoraphobia & Claustrophobia'. Sure, they have the same theme and all, but to call them the same thing is ignorant and offensive.

I have put this thread in AH because I would surely be banned for voicing my opinion elsewhere on this site.

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it's called one AND the other because they aren't the same

give over

Meesared

Pompous wrote: »

Yet boards mods seem to think so. There is actually a forum that goes by the title 'Atheism & Agnosticism'.

I am disappointed that boards is perpetuating the misconception that atheists are agnostics, and vice versa. They are so different from eachother that having a forum with this title is like having a forum called 'Catholicism & Protestantism', or 'Agoraphobia & Claustrophobia'. Sure, they have the same theme and all, but to call them the same thing is ignorant and offensive.

I have put this thread in AH because I would surely be banned for voicing my opinion elsewhere on this site.

There is also a Forum called Beer guts and Receeding hairlines, by your logic they are also the same thing. :rolleyes:

Turtyturd

Likewise Ranting and Raving....they are not even close.

Ghost Buster

Pompous wrote: »

Yet boards mods seem to think so. There is actually a forum that goes by the title 'Atheism & Agnosticism'.

I am disappointed that boards is perpetuating the misconception that atheists are agnostics, and vice versa. They are so different from eachother that having a forum with this title is like having a forum called 'Catholicism & Protestantism', or 'Agoraphobia & Claustrophobia'. Sure, they have the same theme and all, but to call them the same thing is ignorant and offensive.

I have put this thread in AH because I would surely be banned for voicing my opinion elsewhere on this site.

Are you that desperate to start a thread, really.? Try harder.

Just spotted 'self defence and martial arts'. So my house alarm is a Ninja? Boards is silly......

Pompous

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Are you that desperate to start a thread, really.? Try harder.

Just spotted 'self defence and martial arts'. So my house alarm is a Ninja? Boards is silly......

Are you that desperate to get your post count up, really?

If anyone has an intelligent retort I'd be happy to hear it.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Actually, they are. All agnostics are atheists but all atheists are not agnostics. A bit like squares and rectangles. Contemporary usage of the term atheist is usually incorrect, as one just has to lack belief in a deity to be an atheist, not believe for sure that none exist.

Pompous

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Actually, they are. All agnostics are atheists but all atheists are not agnostics. A bit like squares and rectangles. Contemporary usage of the term atheist is usually incorrect, as one just has to lack belief in a deity to be an atheist, not believe for sure that none exist.

I'm sorry but you're just plain wrong. Go read up on their actual definitions.

Duggy747

I really do believe it is butter.

Ghost Buster

The 'atheism and agnosticism' thread makes no claim either way as to the relationship between the two terms. I however claim that the op is trolling.

Ghost Buster

Pompous wrote: »

Are you that desperate to get your post count up, really?

If anyone has an intelligent retort I'd be happy to hear it.

Ask a stupid question......................(you know the rest)

Sergeant

Who cares.

Pompous

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Ask a stupid question......................(you know the rest)

Well the answer is bound to be a stupid one if it's an answer to a rhetorical question. But hey, 1+ for effort.

Pompous

Sergeant wrote: »

Who cares.

This exactly. Thank you sir for illustrating the root of this problem.

Good night AH.

talkinyite

theist = yes
agnostic = maybe
atheist = no

Seachmall

talkinyite wrote: »

theist = yes
agnostic = maybe
atheist = no

Do you believe?
Theist = Yes
Atheist = No

Do you know?
Gnostic = Yes
Agnostic = No

talkinyite

Seachmall wrote: »

Do you believe?
Theist = Yes
Atheist = No

Do you know?
Gnostic = Yes
Agnostic = No

Everything isn't as black and white as yes and no with agnostics, most don't believe they're capable of knowing and sit on the fence.

TPD

In the interest of finishing this thread up quickly OP, what do you define atheist and agnostic to be?

MagicMarker

talkinyite wrote: »

Everything isn't as black and white as yes and no with agnostics, most don't believe they're capable of knowing and sit on the fence.

Believing you're not capable of knowing is the same as not knowing, ergo you're an agnostic, and an atheist.

padd b1975

OSI wrote: »

You realise there is a Christianity forum right?

There is also a feedback forum.

talkinyite

MagicMarker wrote: »

Believing you're not capable of knowing is the same as not knowing, ergo you're an agnostic, and an atheist.

that's why i liked his comment

but no atheism and agnosticism aren't the same things at all, like believing and knowing.

padd b1975

OSI wrote: »

What's your point?

Is feedback not the place to discuss problems with boards and its moderation?

Was not having a dig at you by any means.

44leto

Pompous wrote: »

Yet boards mods seem to think so. There is actually a forum that goes by the title 'Atheism & Agnosticism'.

I am disappointed that boards is perpetuating the misconception that atheists are agnostics, and vice versa. They are so different from eachother that having a forum with this title is like having a forum called 'Catholicism & Protestantism', or 'Agoraphobia & Claustrophobia'. Sure, they have the same theme and all, but to call them the same thing is ignorant and offensive.

I have put this thread in AH because I would surely be banned for voicing my opinion elsewhere on this site.

So there is a board about BOTH 'Atheism & Agnosticism', there could also be a board about 'Catholicism & Protestantism' are they the same, no, but there is a relationship. Agnosticism=One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism, Atheism=disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

But its very rare I meet a true atheist, in my eyes they are always more agnostic. Watch the post backs I get when I post about my atheism, that includes no such thing as luck, ghosts, higher purpose, spirituality (of any description) when I die it is the end of the world so why care anything about biological posterity.

Or you could be agnostic and believe in no God but higher purpose,,I don't.

OP I think you are being anal. If you were a true atheist you wouldn't care. I don't.

Kidchameleon

Op is very easily offended. Sounds more like a muslim actually...

ShooterSF

talkinyite wrote: »

MagicMarker wrote: »

Believing you're not capable of knowing is the same as not knowing, ergo you're an agnostic, and an atheist.

that's why i liked his comment but no atheism and agnosticism aren't the same things at all.

Theist and atheist are opposite ends of belief. They make no claim to knowledge of said belief. They tell you what follows the words "in relation to the existence of god(s) I believe... "

agnostic and gnostic are at opposite ends of claims to knowledge. What muddies the whole issue is the fact that most atheists are agnostic and most theists are gnostic. Though not all are. People who say "id like to think there's something (in relation to deities)" would be agnostic theists.

Then you have people that claim to be right on the fence of theist/atheist and so describe themselves as agnostic but some of these people actually do hold a belief in one or the other but think the terms are gnostic in definition, so they refuse to answer on belief.

Then you also have ignostics which is what most people that describe themselves as purely agnostic probably mean.

Throw in terms like deist etc. and things can get messy! Oh and the op would have been allowed their say in the a& a forum imo. At the end of the day though, descriptors are just that, they mean to be shortcuts in conversation. I can tell you I'm an atheist and that should fill in blanks faster than telling you what I believe, think, feel and so on. As with any shortcut though it relies on both sides having the same understanding of the underlying definition.

WindSock

Food and Drink. Not the same grrr
Snacks and Sweets, also not necessarily the same :mad:

Seachmall

ShooterSF wrote: »

I can tell you I'm an atheist and that should fill in blanks faster than telling you what I believe, think, feel and so on.

WHY DO YOU HATE GOD?!

Stercus Accidit

Seachmall wrote: »

WHY DO YOU HATE GOD?!

WHY DO YOU HATE HARRY POTTER, BOY WIZARD?

Seachmall

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

WHY DO YOU HATE HARRY POTTER, BOY WIZARD?

I love Harry Potter.

Check, and, Mate.

OldGoat

Don't get me started on the 'SciFi & Fantasy' forum. Now there's a pairing made in hell. Who in their right mind would mix swords in with rayguns? Pffft!

talkinyite

I'm not an atheist or theist but understand it's easier for theists to think in zeros and ones when labeling people so it's no biggy. I'll stay as unspecified or 'other' in the census