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This country..........

Freddie59

Becomes more surreal by the day:

SIPTU calls on the government to scrap the household charge and "tax the rich". Obviously, because the "Labour" Party is in power, they won't demand that people boycott it, organise protest marches, etc. And Jack seems to forget that he is one of the "rich" (high earners) with his own salary worth €124k in 2009.

On the same day, Spain slashes the pay of bosses of State companies:

The Spanish Government is to cut pay for heads of state companies by around a quarter, as part of its crisis spending cuts.

Pay is to be limited to €105,000 for the heads of the biggest State firms, €80,000 for medium-sized ones and €55,000 for the smallest.

"Today we are taking a further step in our austerity policy of cost containment," Deputy Prime Minister Soraya Saenz de Santamaria said.

"We are setting limits on pay, slightly lower than those that are being introduced in the private sector [for comparable companies]."

The pay caps represent cuts of "between 25-30%" compared to current levels.

Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/spanish-government-to-introduce-pay-caps-for-state-company-bosses-540245.html#ixzz1mfzT4LPF

FFS €105k:eek: The Head of Coillte - a forestry company - has a package worth almost €500,000.

Spain population almost 50 million.

Ireland population less than 10% of that.

And look at what we pay to these people.

Honestly. This country is nuts.

Lastly, it has been revealed that opposition leaders salaries are 'topped up' from the Public Purse:

"Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore has defended the payment of state funds to top up his salary whilst he was in opposition.

A €13m fund is used by political parties in opposition for day-to-day running costs such as media training and polls, according to a report today.

The Irish Independent report said Taoiseach Enda Kenny received a €50,000 salary boost while he was leader of the opposition, with Labour's Mr Gilmore and Joan Burton receiving a combined total of €22,000 in 2010".

Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/tanaiste-defends-use-of-state-funds-to-top-up-opposition-salaries-540202.html#ixzz1mg0VV1oA

The holier-than-thou "Labour" Party. Who'd have though it?

As I said, a complete joke. This house of cards is going to implode on all of us. And very soon.

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hmmm

If Jack O'Connor wants to sacrifice his salary, about 1200 families could have their household charge paid by him.

Lawrence1895

Drumpot wrote: »

We have a teacher that loans us a fishing rod and bait, but we already owe them a couple of fish we havent even caught before we can feed ourselves . .

I can't beat that in the moment, tbh

Drumpot

Anyone wrote: »

While I dont agree that people should be paid huge sums of money, can I ask those who complain about the well paid. Would you take a pay cut of 40-50% to be on par with other nations?

Would anybody want a significant pay reduction if they didnt have to take it ? Thats the way certain sections of society seem to feel . . Its compleletly ignorant to the state the country finds itself in . .

Doesnt seem to matter what the governmemt does to people on welfare, why should it treat its employees with any less contempt ? Oh yeh, cause the governments first loyalty is to itself not the country . .

I can assure you it is not in the countries best interest to keep on funding the existing pension arrangements, to allow certain areas to keep their salary increments, to allow certain perks/expenses to continue or indeed to not really tackle the cost/size of the public service (in proportion to our situation), but hey they think they are worth it so its ok . .

Anyone

I had something typed out, but then I thought meh....this is just another whine thread. And to be honest, reading them and getting dragged into them is depressing at times. Some people just moan,moan,moan so I'll give this one a miss, its nothing new.

Doc Ruby

KeithAFC wrote: »

The sort of reason why your country is in such a mess. No one seems to care if that response is anything to go by.

Don't you mean our country Keith.

Freddie59

Anyone wrote: »

Really dont see the benefit of comparing country to country, especially when they are very different. If your going to compare wages in one country to another, maybe you should link it to how expensive things are?

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings.jsp

Now look at Dublin, then find the first Spanish city and look at the difference.

While I dont agree that people should be paid huge sums of money, can I ask those who complain about the well paid. Would you take a pay cut of 40-50% to be on par with other nations?

€100k for the head of Spanish State Company.

€473k and beyond for heads of Irish State companies.

NOTHING can excuse it. Ever.

nice_very

beware, the fascists are once again in govt in spain...

....and thats 400!

mattjack

KeithAFC wrote: »

At least we get that help. The Republic gets next to no help and is in a complete mess. Will take years to recover. Thousands of people leaving every year because they just can't get work or even have the potential to get work.

Keith , did ya hear Celtic are on for the treble again ?

Rangers gone into administration and Paisley and Thatcher both on the way out.

LH Pathe

........is rugby country.

So stand proud, in arms, bolstered by your priviledged upbringing and let the warrior spirit course through you... and fail to close out a result v shîtty wales

policarp

Election promises:-

Burn the bond holders.
Not an other penny to Anglo.
Keep Roscommon hospital open.
Abolish the Seanad.
Total transparability.

This country..........?

Mully_2011

policarp wrote: »

Election promises:-

Burn the bond holders.
Not an other penny to Anglo.
Keep Roscommon hospital open.
Abolish the Seanad.
Total transparability.

This country..........?

the funny thing is people believed them and come around the next row of elections people will believe whatever ****e Fianna Fail come out with and thats how it works and if people did go out and protest they would be looked on as gob****es.

But in my opinion what this country really needs is a party and a leader with brains and balls go back to basics shake up the public sector get rid of all this waste and midddle management and put put people who actually know what there doing in the departments.

cocoshovel

im drunk and didnt even read the op WHAT SO EVER

dont like this country, end of. Tis terrible isnt it? brb emmigrating.

TwoShedsJackson

policarp wrote: »

Election promises:-

Burn the bond holders.
Not an other penny to Anglo.
Keep Roscommon hospital open.
Abolish the Seanad.
Total transparability.

This country..........?

Don't think they actually promised to burn bond holders did they?

Anglo - yes.

Roscommon - yes, another lie.

Seanad - that takes time, not to mention a referendum.

Total transparency: not sure why anyone would even believe this.

People should start realising that politicians will promise anything and everything to get in, and stay in. They never fulfill most promises. I'm just surprised anyone ever thought they would.

Toby Take a Bow

Freddie59 wrote: »

€100k for the head of Spanish State Company.

€473k and beyond for heads of Irish State companies.

NOTHING can excuse it. Ever.

Differences in standard of living could excuse it. Not saying it does, but holding up two figures is meaningless without exploring exactly how much they're worth (but, sure, you well know that).

Freddie59

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Don't think they actually promised to burn bond holders did they?

Anglo - yes.

Roscommon - yes, another lie.

Seanad - that takes time, not to mention a referendum.

Total transparency: not sure why anyone would even believe this.

People should start realising that politicians will promise anything and everything to get in, and stay in. They never fulfill most promises. I'm just surprised anyone ever thought they would.

In fairness, the "Labour" Party have really shown their true colours. If someone else were in power the unions would be organising mass protests, etc.

Freddie59

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

Differences in standard of living could excuse it. Not saying it does, but holding up two figures is meaningless without exploring exactly how much they're worth (but, sure, you well know that).

Not really. can €473k a year be justified when the average industrial wage is around €35k? I think not. It is truly a scandal.

Nine thousand Euro a week??!! WTF?

Lawrence1895

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Don't think they actually promised to burn bond holders did they?

Anglo - yes.

Roscommon - yes, another lie.

Seanad - that takes time, not to mention a referendum.

Total transparency: not sure why anyone would even believe this.

People should start realising that politicians will promise anything and everything to get in, and stay in. They never fulfill most promises. I'm just surprised anyone ever thought they would.

I was talking to Richard Bruton's crowd, when they were canvassing the area, asking them about the bankers and bondholders...they changed the subject. So no promise at all.

ART6

The difference between a large private sector company and a public sector one is that in the former an annual general meeting of shareholders is called, and executive salaries and appointments are approved. The shareholders can object to a salary level, but generally are prepared to pay a top executive well if he is getting results for them. It is, in law, their company.

In the public sector the politicians act for the shareholders (you and I), and we only get an AGM every five years. Even then, we don't get to have any say in the appointments of the companies executives. What we do get is the same old faces defending the interests of their mates against the proles who actually pay.:mad:

Toby Take a Bow

Freddie59 wrote: »

Not really. can €473k a year be justified when the average industrial wage is around €35k? I think not. It is truly a scandal.

Nine thousand Euro a week??!! WTF?

Oh, we're comparing it with the average industrial wage, now, and not with similar jobs in Spain.

Regardless, a higher tax for the wealthy would solve the issue, and you wouldn't even have to switch the goalposts whenever you like.

Quazzie

Lars1916 wrote: »

How does that proverb go again? 'Give a man a fish, and you will feed him for one day. Teach him, how to catch the fish, and you will feed him for the rest of his life'?

Give a man a fire and he will warm for one day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Freddie59

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

Freddie59 wrote: »

Not really. can €473k a year be justified when the average industrial wage is around €35k? I think not. It is truly a scandal.

Nine thousand Euro a week??!! WTF?

Oh, we're comparing it with the average industrial wage, now, and not with similar jobs in Spain.

Regardless, a higher tax for the wealthy would solve the issue, and you wouldn't even have to switch the goalposts whenever you like.

FFS does it really matter? It is outrageous. Much as you choose to defend it.

Toby Take a Bow

Freddie59 wrote: »

FFS does it really matter? It is outrageous. Much as you choose to defend it.

I'm not defending it. You've ignored where I've said (twice) that heavier taxing for the rich would sort out his wage perfectly. I was merely calling you on exactly how two wage figures in two separate countries equated, and instead of asking that you compared to the average industrial wage. It's confusing, despite how often you do it.

Freddie59

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

I'm not defending it. You've ignored where I've said (twice) that heavier taxing for the rich would sort out his wage perfectly. I was merely calling you on exactly how two wage figures in two separate countries equated, and instead of asking that you compared to the average industrial wage. It's confusing, despite how often you do it.

But who are "the rich"? OK - would you agree that €2k a week is enough for someone to 'live on' in Ireland?

Toby Take a Bow

Freddie59 wrote: »

But who are "the rich"? OK - would you agree that €2k a week is enough for someone to 'live on' in Ireland?

Yeah, €2k/week would be more than enough to live on. You could have relief programmes installed for those who bought houses at crazy prices during specific time periods, if they can prove they can't afford repayments if included in higher tax brackets.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

I'm surprised at how long this thread has gone on without turning into a Civil Service bashing thread

Toby Take a Bow

deccurley wrote: »

I'm surprised at how long this thread has gone on without turning into a Civil Service bashing thread

I think there's more of a subtle type of bashing here. The subtlety is surprising, considering the OP.

ovak666

Freddie59 wrote: »

It will when the money runs out.

Can someone please tell me who the blonde sinn feinn td is. She always sits beside whoever is speaking. She never says a word, just sits there smirking. Who in the name of god voted for this waste of space, and her on a massive salary

ART6

ovak666 wrote: »

Can someone please tell me who the blonde sinn feinn td is. She always sits beside whoever is speaking. She never says a word, just sits there smirking. Who in the name of god voted for this waste of space, and her on a massive salary

The token blonde? Every party should have one:D

steddyeddy

Freddie59 wrote: »

Becomes more surreal by the day:

SIPTU calls on the government to scrap the household charge and "tax the rich". Obviously, because the "Labour" Party is in power, they won't demand that people boycott it, organise protest marches, etc. And Jack seems to forget that he is one of the "rich" (high earners) with his own salary worth €124k in 2009.

On the same day, Spain slashes the pay of bosses of State companies:

The Spanish Government is to cut pay for heads of state companies by around a quarter, as part of its crisis spending cuts.

Pay is to be limited to €105,000 for the heads of the biggest State firms, €80,000 for medium-sized ones and €55,000 for the smallest.

"Today we are taking a further step in our austerity policy of cost containment," Deputy Prime Minister Soraya Saenz de Santamaria said.

"We are setting limits on pay, slightly lower than those that are being introduced in the private sector [for comparable companies]."

The pay caps represent cuts of "between 25-30%" compared to current levels.

Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/spanish-government-to-introduce-pay-caps-for-state-company-bosses-540245.html#ixzz1mfzT4LPF

FFS €105k:eek: The Head of Coillte - a forestry company - has a package worth almost €500,000.

Spain population almost 50 million.

Ireland population less than 10% of that.

And look at what we pay to these people.

Honestly. This country is nuts.

Lastly, it has been revealed that opposition leaders salaries are 'topped up' from the Public Purse:

"Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore has defended the payment of state funds to top up his salary whilst he was in opposition.

A €13m fund is used by political parties in opposition for day-to-day running costs such as media training and polls, according to a report today.

The Irish Independent report said Taoiseach Enda Kenny received a €50,000 salary boost while he was leader of the opposition, with Labour's Mr Gilmore and Joan Burton receiving a combined total of €22,000 in 2010".

Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/tanaiste-defends-use-of-state-funds-to-top-up-opposition-salaries-540202.html#ixzz1mg0VV1oA

The holier-than-thou "Labour" Party. Who'd have though it?

As I said, a complete joke. This house of cards is going to implode on all of us. And very soon.

I havent even read this thread but the thimg about a lot of Irish is they will attack you for pointing this out rather than face the reality of this country. If I was outside of this country looking in I wouldnt beleive for a second ireland needed to make cuts judging by those wages.

steddyeddy

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Why do people expect political leaders to work for peanuts compared to the vast riches private companies pay their bosses. Who would have the harder job, Barack Obama on €300,000 a year or Michael O'Leary on €1m plus? Very hard to find figures for Irish bosses but plenty of them are on more than a million a year.

You realise Irelands broke dont you?