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Dublin City Council - Bin Collection Privatised/Greyhound Megathread

Ernest

I hear on the radio this morning that Dublin City Council have abandoned their household bin collection and outsourced it to Greyhound (I think they do green bin collection already) Who decided this and why? I did not see any discussion about it anywhere. What happens to the existing Dublin City Council Staff who were employed in this task up to now? Are they all just made redundant? It cannot be called redundancy, surely, if an employer decides to outsource an existing activity which is not itself discontinued.
Also the radio report stated that Greyhound would not entertain any more claims for waivers of waste collection charges and would only honour existing waivers for one year!! Surely that is not a decision to be taken by a private outsource company but is part of national policy. Dublin City Council are presumably the statutory body responsible for waste collection and for the implementation of national policy on charges and waivers. Isn't it time for the City Manager's office to make a public statement on the whole affair. As for the elected council members - what have they been doing here??? Have they approved all of this??

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stevensi

There will be flytipping galore because of this!!!

Dirk Gently

I assume collections are still taking place on regular days (i.e my bin is sitting outside my garden at home at the moment).

Surprised there was no notification of this. One monopoly to another. competition doesnt really work with bin collecting as whole areas are auctioned off. you still end up with one service provider.

Meauldsegosha

So annoyed at the moment, got up this morning to find that some f*cker had put their rubbish bags in and beside my bin.

If they are privatising the collections you can bet the charges will go up.

January

Fingal have done the same with Panda, Panda increased their prices in-line with Fingals... total monopoly over the area.

Dodge

SDCC changed last year to Greyhound. Within 6 months they had changed from weekly charge to an annual charge with pay per weigh charge.

Others (Thorntons/Access Waste) are in the some markets too but all have an annual charge now. In my estate, both thorntons and greyhound split it pretty evenly (mayb 6040 in thorntons favour)

Dirk Gently

greyhound have updated their site. info will be coming out in the post.

http://greyhound.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=37%3Agreyhound-dcc-dublin-city-council-customers&catid=2%3Alatest-news&Itemid=3&08eeb3e91e300d0a60d14db92c49e970=68aa8760910465ac2c9cc671ba45fe28

FOR DUBLIN CITY DOMESTIC BIN & TAG CUSTOMERS
Dublin City Council and Greyhound Recycling and Recovery have reached agreement on the sale of the Council’s commercial and domestic waste collection business to Greyhound Recycling and Recovery.

Dublin City Council’s decision to sell the waste collection service to Greyhound Recycling and Recovery took place after a comprehensive review and competitive tender process.

Greyhound Recycling and Recovery is Ireland’s largest collector of domestic and recyclable waste. The Clondalkin based company will take over control of collecting the green, brown and grey bins from the City Council’s 140,000 customers on Monday 16th January 2012. All existing customers should experience a seamless transfer from collection by the City Council to the new arrangement with Greyhound Recycling and Recovery.

Dublin City Council will officially transfer its commercial and domestic waste collection business to Greyhound Recycling and Recovery on Monday, 16th January 2012.

DUBLIN CITY DOMESTIC WHEELIE BIN CUSTOMERS
As a household customer we wish to advise you of how this transfer to Greyhound Recycling and Recovery relates to the collection of your black, green and brown bins.

We have issued information packs for each household customer which you should have received by 13th January 2012 (if not please email dublincity@greyhound.ieThis e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it confirming your address for an additional pack to be issued). Further details on the transfer are below:

Annual Service Charge

The current DCC Annual Service Charge will be maintained for 2012, please check your information pack to confirm if service charge is applicable to you and invoice for your exact charge if applicable.

Customers are required to pay the Annual Service Charge, in full, within 30 days from Monday 16th January.

Greyhound Recycling and Recovery will not collect bins from households who have not paid the Annual Service Charge, in full, after 30 days from Monday 16th January.
Lift Fees

The current €6 fee for each black bin lift and €2 fee for each brown bin lift will be maintained for an initial period of at least 6 months.

Customers are required to ensure that their Greyhound account has sufficient funds to meet the current cost of each black and brown bin lift.

Customers who do not have sufficient funds in their account for the cost of a Black or Brown bin will not have their bin collected.

Dodge

Just on that, they also send you out a label for your green bin, and won't collect that either without the annual charge.

Meauldsegosha

So the lift charges will increase in July then. If I'm reading that right do we now have to pay in advance for bin lifts?

stargazer 68

So what happens to the people whose waiver has still not been processed from last year?

Dirk Gently

TishyO wrote: »

So the lift charges will increase in July then. If I'm reading that right do we now have to pay in advance for bin lifts?

Looks like greyhound charge per kilo according to existing price structures on routes they already service. expect weight charging to come in after the 6 months. You'll also need to have money in your account in advance to get your bin lifted.

msg11

Really and truly , what is the point in taxes and local councils they do **** all now at this stage.

emmetmurphy

my neighbour puts them in the bins at the shop.. he`s mad

Stripey Cat

This is what Sinn Fein and the Socialist Party said would happen, and what the Labour Party said pretty clearly would not happen.

So, I guess when it comes to discussions of things like water charges and the household tax, we should listen to Sinn Fein and the Socialist Party, and ignore what the Labour Party say.

Dodge

msg11 wrote: »

Really and truly , what is the point in taxes and local councils they do **** all now at this stage.

You don't pay any local taxes in fairness, and did you really think the only thing they did was pick up your bins?

Dirk Gently

ignoring the Labour party is always a wise choice. they'll say mass at your doorstep when looking for votes. never showed a bit of backbone in all their history though (except from the safty of opposition).

Rob Nulty

emmetmurphy wrote: »

my neighbour puts them in the bins at the shop.. he`s mad

Thats illegal, you should ring the authorities about him. I think you get 25 euro for ratting him up too, which in this day and age is better than a slap in the gem with a wet fish.

Meauldsegosha

Dirk Gently wrote: »

Looks like greyhound charge per kilo according to existing price structures on routes they already service. expect weight charging to come in after the 6 months. You'll also need to have money in your account in advance to get your bin lifted.

Cheers. Have been looking at their website, there is an annual charge of €60 and then you pay by the weight of each bin lift. I would normally only put my bin out every 6 weeks, guess I'll have to change that.

If that f*cker who puts his bags in my bin this morning does that again he'll be getting them back and a few choice words as well. ; )

admiralofthefleet

i had a conversation with a fella that works for greyhound on new years night. he was saying that this is only the tip of the iceberg

HeidiHeidi

I wonder what the story will be for those of us who don't have wheelie bins, and put out tagged bags? Works out an awful lot cheaper, I think - and I also have a stash of bag labels bought in advance, wonder if they'll be redundant?

Must say I don't like the smell of this at all (pun intended) :mad:

Stripey Cat

Rob Nulty wrote: »

Thats illegal, you should ring the authorities about him. I think you get 25 euro for ratting him up too, which in this day and age is better than a slap in the gem with a wet fish.

A somewhat scummy thing to do though...

Dirk Gently

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

i had a conversation with a fella that works for greyhound on new years night. he was saying that this is only the tip of the iceberg

I'd well imagine. council out of the way now and they have a ready made monopoly. so few companies can realisticly tender for the patch too so very easy to maintain artificially high prices between the 2 or 3 companies. It's a licence to print money. It's not like you can go to a competitor if you run into trouble with the service.

juan.kerr

The thing that annoys me with the 'polluter pays principle' is any form of waiver.

Cardinal Richelieu

stevensi wrote: »

There will be flytipping galore because of this!!!

Already happening but the councils have been informed by their legal advisors that they can't name or shame the offenders which is total nonsense.

litup

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I wonder what the story will be for those of us who don't have wheelie bins, and put out tagged bags? Works out an awful lot cheaper, I think - and I also have a stash of bag labels bought in advance, wonder if they'll be redundant?

Must say I don't like the smell of this at all (pun intended) :mad:

I'm wondering the same Heidi, there doesn't seem to be any mention of us non wheely bin folk.

Lawrence1895

Stripey Cat wrote: »

This is what Sinn Fein and the Socialist Party said would happen, and what the Labour Party said pretty clearly would not happen.

So, I guess when it comes to discussions of things like water charges and the household tax, we should listen to Sinn Fein and the Socialist Party, and ignore what the Labour Party say.

That won't happen, as long as too many people think, SF are 'terrorists' or 'a party from the North'

Anyway, what's next? Prices increase for each lift? That's for sure. I even see the free of charge Green Bin going :mad:

emmetmurphy

Rob Nulty wrote: »

Thats illegal, you should ring the authorities about him. I think you get 25 euro for ratting him up too, which in this day and age is better than a slap in the gem with a wet fish.

How do i prove its him will i take a photo

nad25

On the northside here. Bins have been sitting outside all houses on my road since Sunday night. Methinks the binmen might be on strike?

jodaw

""FOR DUBLIN CITY DOMESTIC BIN & TAG CUSTOMERS
Dublin City Council and Greyhound Recycling and Recovery have reached agreement on the sale of the Council’s commercial and domestic waste collection business to Greyhound Recycling and Recovery.""

WTF is this? DCC were running a business? First i heard of it and they sold their business to you?

I have not heard anything about this. Stealth privatization at this stage. Serious question. Why do we pay tax?

How come years ago when we we a "poor country" our bins could be collected by the councils who we paid tax to fund!!! Now all our tax is going to shore up French/German banks and pay privately for these public services:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Sir Oxman

jodaw wrote: »

""FOR DUBLIN CITY DOMESTIC BIN & TAG CUSTOMERS
Dublin City Council and Greyhound Recycling and Recovery have reached agreement on the sale of the Council’s commercial and domestic waste collection business to Greyhound Recycling and Recovery.""

WTF is this? DCC were running a business? First i heard of it and they sold their business to you?

I have not heard anything about this. Stealth privatization at this stage. Serious question. Why do we pay tax?

How come years ago when we we a "poor country" our bins could be collected by the councils who we paid tax to fund!!! Now all our tax is going to shore up French/German banks and pay privately for these public services:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Ah, that's progress!

lensman

I could be wrong but I thought I read in this mornings indo that DCC customers could also switch to any waste company,..don't have the paper here to check,..don't like the idea of being used as a commodity to sell on to a private company,..I think we are entitled to now pick who we want to collect our bins,