Chuck Stone wrote: » How come some conversion attempts can be charged down and others can't? Or is it penalties?
rje66 wrote: »
castie wrote: » Quote: Originally Posted by rje66 agree, as well as 'he has to let him up', when player goes down on ball quickly followed by chasers who are on their feet trying to get the ball Failing to see what you mean with this bit? The PT being called was for the scrum.
Sundy wrote: » No they do not. :rolleyes:
How about you offer some proof rather than just ?
castie wrote: » Best I can find at the moment is from Nigel Owens. Q: When a player drops to the ground to secure a loose ball, must the opposition let him get to his feet before tackling him? Frequently I see a player bravely go down on the ball, only to be jumped on by opponents and then penalised for holding on! David, Sydney Yes, the opposition must let a player get to his feet first, but remember that the player who goes to ground must try to get up immediately too. From http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/international/4759250.stm How about you offer some proof rather than just :rolleyes: ?
Great Rugby Laws Myths(1) If a player falls on the ball, you do NOT have to let him up. (You can’t put weight on him, but you can compete for the ball straight away and if he doesn’t let go...ping!) (2) If a penalty or free kick is advanced 10m, you CAN take a quick tap once the referee has indicated the new mark. This is such a handy one, especially if the ref knows it (can’t vouch for all refs!). The instant he makes the mark, you can go. (3) A player in a ruck CANNOT handle the ball even if he is on his feet unless (a) he had his hands on the ball before the ruck formed, or (b) he is the scrum half getting the ball out of the ruck. (4) You CAN be offside in in-goal. (5) It is NOT obligatory to issue a red or yellow card with a penalty try (6) You CAN charge the conversion of a penalty try. (7) At an uncontested scrum the Number 8 CAN break off with the ball. (8) You MUST NOT ruck players. (9) A Mark CAN be called from a penalty kick or drop goal attempt. (10) You DO NOT NEED BOTH “control” and “downward pressure” to score a try. (11) You CANNOT score a try by touching a goal post above the ground. (12) There is NO SUCH THING as “double movement” when stretching out to score a try, its simply “not releasing” if the player hangs onto it (same outcome of course) (13) The captain DOES NOT have an automatic right to talk to the referee when he wants to.
rje66 wrote: » anyone got a law reference to support mr owens im with sundy on this one. Rem. players on feet are king,
Shelflife wrote: » Heres another twist on that, I noticed at the Connacht Ospreys game that some of the welsh players went to ground without any tackle.ie they stopped short of the defensive line and then they rucked over that. Surely that is obstruction by ospreys.
Originally Posted by castie Best I can find at the moment is from Nigel Owens. Q: When a player drops to the ground to secure a loose ball, must the opposition let him get to his feet before tackling him? Frequently I see a player bravely go down on the ball, only to be jumped on by opponents and then penalised for holding on! David, Sydney Yes, the opposition must let a player get to his feet first, but remember that the player who goes to ground must try to get up immediately too. From http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugb...al/4759250.stm How about you offer some proof rather than just ?
MungBean wrote: » In the Munster v Ospreys game there was a little confusion at one point when a decision went to Ospreys from some infringement at a ruck (may have been a scrum) and them kicking for touch. The lineout that resulted was Munster ball. I think I recall O'Shea mentioning it was a free kick and not a penalty and thats why it was Munster ball. I previously didnt separate the two, I thought a free kick was a choice the team made as to how to use the ball after a penalty was awarded, so if they went for touch they retain possession. So when is a free kick awarded instead of a penalty ?
MungBean wrote: » Are free kicks for infringements rare in the game or have I just been taking them for penalties ?
errlloyd wrote: » I know I have seen this discussion before on boards, sorry for reposting. But is it a forward pass if the player's momentum carries it forward? If not why do referees seem to ping it so much. (Particularly in the situation of a passing player getting tackled right after the pass). Saw this in the baabaas game.
Reloc8 wrote: » It has to be thrown backwards relative to the player passing it.
Reloc8 wrote: » Where the players involved are in motion forwards it more or less will never actually travel backwards over the ground...if it did, a large black hole would open up in the middle of the pitch and the whole universe would be sucked into a tea party with Stephen Hawkings for the rest of time. Although time itself would in fact have ceased to exist.
Reloc8 wrote: » Where the players involved are in motion forwards it more or less will never actually travel backwards over the ground...
castie wrote: » What a load of rubbish. If I throw a pass at a 80 degree angle to the sideline in a backwards direction unless im the flash its going to be moving backwards even though my motion is forwards and so is the guy very deep from me whos recieving.
Shelflife wrote: » True but if you are running at full speed and throw a flat pass on the halfway line the reciever will collect it past the halfway line. it looks grand until the passer is tackled and stopped on the halfway line and the reciever collects it a metre ahead of the line.
Losty Dublin wrote: » No, forward means towards the opposition's try line. There are instances in oepn play when a player may pass the ball forward relative to how he is facing; a scrum half from a loose or set scrum being a common enough one
Gracelessly Tom wrote: » Quick law question...... Attacking player carries the ball over the line but in the act of trying to ground it the defence get control of the ball and as it is placed at the back of the ruck (ruck is over the tryline in the scoring zone) the ref blows the whistle as he feels the ball has been touched down by the defending team. Is this a scrum 5 or should it be a 22 drop out seeing as the attacking team caused the ball to go over the tryline? Happened in our match on Sat and I'm curious as to the correct call.
Losty Dublin wrote: » Assuming the attacking team carried the ball into "In Goal"...If the attacking player was in possession of the ball and the ball was grounded by an attacking player, it's a try. If the attacking player was in possession and the ball is ripped and grounded by a defending player (Let's assume that's how he got it), it's a 22. If it is unclear as to who grounded the ball or if it's unlcear who grounded then it's a scrum to the team going forward. The laws relation to rucks and mauls don't come into it as rucks/mauls don't exist in "In goal" once the ball reaches the try line.
Reloc8 wrote: » Law 22.7 applies in the usual way :- "22.7 RESTARTING AFTER A TOUCH DOWN (a) When an attacking player sends or carries the ball into the opponents’ in-goal and it becomes dead there, either because a defender grounded it or because it went into touch-in-goal or on or over the dead ball line, a drop-out is awarded. " In your example the attacking players have sent or carried the ball into the opponent's in goal where it is made dead by the touchdown - 22 drop out is the correct call.
Gracelessly Tom wrote: » Thanks lads, my own thought at the time was a 22 drop out and despite my protestations to the ref he insisted on a scrum 5 to us, the defending team. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't some obscure exception to the rule that I wasn't aware of. Funny thing was, the ref acknowledged they carried it over and he also felt we grounded it.
