woodoo wrote: » Retribution would follow
snafuk35 wrote: » Loyalists would inevitably fight against the Gardaí and Irish Army in the same way that the IRA fought against the RUC and British Army.
snafuk35 wrote: » When dead sons and a daughters start coming home in body bags and loyalist car bombs explode in Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Waterford and Galway and loyalist gangs shoot up border towns the enthusiasm for a United Ireland is going drop into the floor.
snafuk35 wrote: » Never mind trying to govern Northern Ireland when the economy in the south has been driven in to the ditch. There's not enough money to keep the 26 running without the help of the ECB/IMF bailout.
snafuk35 wrote: » keep a handle on the loyalists?
Chuck Stone wrote: » I find it amusing that 'Never', the stupidest answer, got the highest number of votes. Just goes to show the level of thought that these 'nevurrrs' put into their choices and answers.
al28283 wrote: » It's the most likely
St.Spodo wrote: » My only hope that is if it does, there's minimal violence. And as long as we don't have any more of that tribal warfare shít, I'm content with things as they are.
Chuck Stone wrote: » Never is what people said about Paisley and McGuiness sitting together havin' a laugh in a devolved NI parliament. Never is what people would have said about Q.E. II Laying a wreath in the GoR and speaking Irish. 'Never' is a very long time and the future is extremely unpredictable. Choosing 'never' in this example is an emotional reaction rather than a considered one.
DeBrugha wrote: » Places like Derry is more Irish than places in the Republic, for example I've heard Irish a few times in Derry city. The native dialects of Irish was alive in parts of the north untill the 50s, whereas in the south Irish died out over 300 years ago like Wicklow. Derry is a decent Irish city, its a shame these Irish people are basically not cared about from the rest of Ireland.People in the republic look up and see the border, but the Irish nationalists when they look down they see Ireland.
the_syco wrote: » Where would they get their funding from? The UK? The IRA were getting their funds from Irish fund-raisers in America during the troubles. When loyalist bombs go off in Dublin, you'll see a huge influx of support for the RIRA to give retribution, which is a bad thing, and I do not want to see happening. Even now, with the 26 counties without money, I have no doubt that the RoI still give the 6 counties money along with money the UK give them. How quick would NI go down the tubes without that money from the UK, I wonder? Instead of 3 counties against 3 counties and the RUC and british army, it'd be 29 counties, an army that hates them, a police force that hates them, and the usual terrorists that hate them.
KeithAFC wrote: » Which is why it will never work. The Garadi trying to police Sandy Row or the Shankill. People must be having a laugh.
the_syco wrote: » Where would they get their funding from? The UK? The IRA were getting their funds from Irish fund-raisers in America during the troubles. There would be many in the UK who would support the loyalists and many Brits would volunteer to fight for them. When loyalist bombs go off in Dublin, you'll see a huge influx of support for the RIRA to give retribution, which is a bad thing, and I do not want to see happening. All the more reason why a United Ireland would be a disaster it would end up in massacres like those in Bosnia during the 1990s. Even now, with the 26 counties without money, I have no doubt that the RoI still give the 6 counties money along with money the UK give them. How quick would NI go down the tubes without that money from the UK, I wonder? All the more reason why the Republic of Ireland does not want to get involved. Instead of 3 counties against 3 counties and the RUC and british army, it'd be 29 counties, an army that hates them, a police force that hates them, and the usual terrorists that hate them. If the loyalists had their backs to the wall they would fight like hell. Win or lose at that stage they wouldn't care. They would rather go down in flames than give up. That's their mentality. They would be up against a Republic of Ireland that would be only half hearted about fighting. If the loyalists fought we would need far more than the 10,000 or so PDF troops. They'd have to call up people with FCA experience and then have train civilians in a hurry. You would have an unruly mob doing their own thing with no military discipline and they would start butchering and murdering loyalists. The international community would intervene on the behalf of the weakest side. Plucky loyalists would end up earning international support as underdogs.
the_syco wrote: » Where would they get their funding from? The UK? The IRA were getting their funds from Irish fund-raisers in America during the troubles.
When loyalist bombs go off in Dublin, you'll see a huge influx of support for the RIRA to give retribution, which is a bad thing, and I do not want to see happening.
Even now, with the 26 counties without money, I have no doubt that the RoI still give the 6 counties money along with money the UK give them. How quick would NI go down the tubes without that money from the UK, I wonder?
Instead of 3 counties against 3 counties and the RUC and british army, it'd be 29 counties, an army that hates them, a police force that hates them, and the usual terrorists that hate them.
KeithAFC wrote: » I agree. Can we get a never in the poll option?
There would be many in the UK who would support the loyalists and many Brits would volunteer to fight for them.
DeBrugha wrote: » I doubt that very much almost everyone in the UK couldn't give two craps about northern loyalists. Infact in England they would be just seen as an Irish person by the average Joe.
snafuk35 wrote: » There would be many in the UK who would support the loyalists and many Brits would volunteer to fight for them. All the more reason why a United Ireland would be a disaster it would end up in massacres like those in Bosnia during the 1990s. All the more reason why the Republic of Ireland does not want to get involved. If the loyalists had their backs to the wall they would fight like hell. Win or lose at that stage they wouldn't care. They would rather go down in flames than give up. That's their mentality. They would be up against a Republic of Ireland that would be only half hearted about fighting. If the loyalists fought we would need far more than the 10,000 or so PDF troops. They'd have to call up people with FCA experience and then have train civilians in a hurry. You would have an unruly mob doing their own thing with no military discipline and they would start butchering and murdering loyalists. The international community would intervene on the behalf of the weakest side. Plucky loyalists would end up earning international support as underdogs. LOL
There would be many in the UK who would support the loyalists and many Brits would volunteer to fight for them. All the more reason why a United Ireland would be a disaster it would end up in massacres like those in Bosnia during the 1990s. All the more reason why the Republic of Ireland does not want to get involved. If the loyalists had their backs to the wall they would fight like hell. Win or lose at that stage they wouldn't care. They would rather go down in flames than give up. That's their mentality. They would be up against a Republic of Ireland that would be only half hearted about fighting. If the loyalists fought we would need far more than the 10,000 or so PDF troops. They'd have to call up people with FCA experience and then have train civilians in a hurry. You would have an unruly mob doing their own thing with no military discipline and they would start butchering and murdering loyalists. The international community would intervene on the behalf of the weakest side. Plucky loyalists would end up earning international support as underdogs.
Killer Pigeon wrote: » The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9uHhLe6WE0
DeBrugha wrote: » You rarely ever see a union jack being flown in England.
You rarely see the tricolor flown in Ireland
DeBrugha wrote: » In North eastern Ireland you do
And why was that? Because you had a minority with their backs to the wall and who felt abandoned by the south am I right?
Plenty of the people in the south supported the IRA despite official Ireland wanting nothing to do with them.
Plenty of Brits would support the loyalists if they felt that a United Ireland turned them into second class citizens.
DiBrugarh wrote: » You rarely ever see a union jack being flown in England.
DeBrugha wrote: » I'm not actually from the North . Never said you were. Where is this coming from? Anyway Ulster did not have a minority, infact the whole province of Ulster is mainly Catholic with the exception to Antrim and parts of Down. A majority in Northern Ireland vote Unionist. End of story. The reason why Donegal, Cavan, and Monaghan wasn't partitioned to make themselves a majority. Maybe thats why they were a minority with their backs to the wall because it was cheated. What's done can't be undone. Things are as they are. I think the IRA tried to do something about it for 30+ years. Sorry. Didn't work. Practically no one supported the UVF in the UK though knowing they had a struggle of their own. British collusion? Come on! Read history book! The Unionist parties have been allied to the Conservatives for years. They wouldn't be turned into second class citizens, there are actually some unionism in the Republic such as Drum in Monaghan and the orange hall in Rossnowlagh, they are treated normally. The Republic even funded the Orange halls in the south ffs. You've got to be joking right? Orange halls are still being burned down by republicans. There are peace lines still in existence across the north and the scum on both sides are attacking each other only its not reported outside of Ulster. If things kicked off again they would go right back to killing each other like they did for years. They would be welcomed to a United Ireland. I was in Dublin in 2006 when the Orangemen came down to march through O'Connell Street. I came to have look because I wanted to welcome them down south. But there were thousands out who wanted to kill them. Only for the Gardaí being there they would have been lynched. All you have to do is go into a bar in Dublin and see the crowds in Celtic jerseys singing IRA songs. They is a murderous hatred of Protestants just below the surface in the south. If there was a United Ireland and the loyalists kicked off a war there is a sizable minority who would want to go up north to murder Protestants. However that said the majority are like myself who think the whole thing is nuts.
DeBrugha wrote: » I'm not actually from the North
Anyway Ulster did not have a minority, infact the whole province of Ulster is mainly Catholic with the exception to Antrim and parts of Down.
The reason why Donegal, Cavan, and Monaghan wasn't partitioned to make themselves a majority. Maybe thats why they were a minority with their backs to the wall because it was cheated.
Practically no one supported the UVF in the UK though knowing they had a struggle of their own.
They wouldn't be turned into second class citizens, there are actually some unionism in the Republic such as Drum in Monaghan and the orange hall in Rossnowlagh, they are treated normally. The Republic even funded the Orange halls in the south ffs.
They would be welcomed to a United Ireland.
snafuk35 wrote: » There would be many in the UK who would support the loyalists and many Brits would volunteer to fight for them. All the more reason why a United Ireland would be a disaster it would end up in massacres like those in Bosnia during the 1990s. All the more reason why the Republic of Ireland does not want to get involved. If the loyalists had their backs to the wall they would fight like hell. Win or lose at that stage they wouldn't care. They would rather go down in flames than give up. That's their mentality. They would be up against a Republic of Ireland that would be only half hearted about fighting. If the loyalists fought we would need far more than the 10,000 or so PDF troops. They'd have to call up people with FCA experience and then have train civilians in a hurry. You would have an unruly mob doing their own thing with no military discipline and they would start butchering and murdering loyalists. The international community would intervene on the behalf of the weakest side. Plucky loyalists would end up earning international support as underdogs. And the 2011 booby-prize for worst crystal ball gazing goes to... drum-roll-drum-roll-drum-roll-drum-roll....snafuk35!
snafuk35 wrote: » . All you have to do is go into a bar in Dublin and see the crowds in Celtic jerseys singing IRA songs. They is a murderous hatred of Protestants just below the surface in the south. I have been in many a pub in dublin and i have yet to see crowds of people in Celtic Jerseys singing rebel songs, I don't know what pubs you were in but thats not your average pub in dublin
. All you have to do is go into a bar in Dublin and see the crowds in Celtic jerseys singing IRA songs. They is a murderous hatred of Protestants just below the surface in the south.
snafuk35 wrote: » I was in Dublin in 2006 when the Orangemen came down to march through O'Connell Street.
But there were thousands out who wanted to kill them. Only for the Gardaí being there they would have been lynched.
They is a murderous hatred of Protestants just below the surface in the south.
If there was a United Ireland and the loyalists kicked off a war there is a sizable minority who would want to go up north to murder Protestants.
