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United Ireland

stewie01

Its pretty much inevitable that in the near future Ireland will be restored back to a united island. My question is when?

predictions welcome

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Mike 1972

gurramok wrote: »

They've consistently got it wrong. Apparently the BBC one probably looks right as the United Ireland parties(SF & SDLP) do obtain just over 40% of the vote in elections. The Alliance are the other party for Home Rule nationalists to vote for.

Elections /=/ referenda

snafuk35

A United Ireland would be a disaster.

Loyalists would inevitably fight against the Gardaí and Irish Army in the same way that the IRA fought against the RUC and British Army. The only problem is that the Gardaí and Irish Army have only a little over 20,000 officers and soldiers between them.

When dead sons and a daughters start coming home in body bags and loyalist car bombs explode in Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Waterford and Galway and loyalist gangs shoot up border towns the enthusiasm for a United Ireland is going drop into the floor. The IRA would probably start up a new campaign and would probably target loyalists and the Gardaí and Irish Army and massacre Protestants in reprisal for massacres of Catholics.

Never mind trying to govern Northern Ireland when the economy in the south has been driven in to the ditch. There's not enough money to keep the 26 running without the help of the ECB/IMF bailout.

So how are we supposed to pay for the tanks, helicopters and the build up of police and soldiers we would need to keep control of the 6 counties never mind to try and keep a handle on the loyalists?

Only a moron would believe a United Ireland was ever possible.

It should have been clear as day when the UVF were set up way back in the last century and they armed themselves with guns shipped into Larne that if they were forced into a Free State or Republic that there would be open war.

If you think a United Ireland is a good idea, you need your head examined.

philologos

gurramok wrote: »

They've consistently got it wrong. Apparently the BBC one probably looks right as the United Ireland parties(SF & SDLP) do obtain just over 40% of the vote in elections. The Alliance are the other party for Home Rule nationalists to vote for.

We're not talking about political parties. We're talking about the subject of a united Ireland. It isn't guaranteed that just because you voted SF in the last election that you support a united Ireland.

tadcan

As I stare into my crystal ball, yes it will happen, but to satisfy both communities a new name was needed. Finally an acceptable compromise was reached. The United Federal Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland is formed. :rolleyes:

Mike 1972

snafuk35 wrote: »

A United Ireland would be a disaster.......If you think a United Ireland is a good idea, you need your head examined.

And then there was the Graffiti on a Fermanagh signpost which once famously declared.......

We will NEVER accept an Untied Ireland

And rightly so :pac:

gurramok

philologos wrote: »

We're not talking about political parties. We're talking about the subject of a united Ireland. It isn't guaranteed that just because you voted SF in the last election that you support a united Ireland.

It does up north on both sides. Try getting a Nationalist to vote for a Unionist party and a Unionist to vote for a Nationalist party, its extremely rare.

Nulty

If anything was ever to happen, NI would leave the union and become an independent entity.

Mike 1972

gurramok wrote: »

It does up north on both sides. Try getting a Nationalist to vote for a Unionist party and a Unionist to vote for a Nationalist party, its extremely rare.

Ive voted for SDLP and Unionist candidates when there have been European and Local elections on the same day.

And PR-STV allows for all sorts of wierd and wonderful transfers.

Even in First Past the Post (Westminster) elections it is not unknown for Unionists in overwhelmingly Nationalist constituencies (e.g. West Belfast) to vote tactically for the SDLP in the hope of unseating the Shinners (ditto for Nationalists in overwhelmingly Unionist constituencies voting for the more moderate Unionist candidates).

philologos

gurramok wrote: »

It does up north on both sides. Try getting a Nationalist to vote for a Unionist party and a Unionist to vote for a Nationalist party, its extremely rare.

The results of both questions show a disparity between what people actually think on the subject and voting patterns. That's true in respect to a lot of political issues when it comes to election time.

gurramok

Nulty wrote: »

If anything was ever to happen, NI would leave the union and become an independent entity.

They can't afford it. Try getting a Unionist to dig into his pocket to fund an independent NI, they won't as money talks.

You're talking about a Third World country with corresponding living standards hence they need the UK govt's annual subsidy to keep them afloat.

Then again, would the UK govt fund an independent NI? Doubt it as English people would be angry at such a prospect of funding a foreign state.

Fratton Fred

gurramok wrote: »

Then again, would the UK govt fund an independent NI? Doubt it as English people would be angry at such a prospect of funding a foreign state.

as will the Germans be very soon.

Mike 1972

gurramok wrote: »

hence they need the UK govt's annual subsidy to keep them afloat.

Anyone else find it rather strange that some people living in the Republic (or even NI come to think of it) use the above as an argument FOR a United Ireland ?

LizT

Cameron Poe wrote: »

The Catholic population of the north is increasing steadily (or it was unless they've stopped riding without johnnys) while the Unionist population is not increasing to the same level. So when there's more Catholics they'll want to be in our gang instead of King Charles gang.

Catholic does not equal Republican. I have a lot of Catholic friends in the north (and protestant ones too) and they want to stay as they are.

Mike 1972

lizt wrote: »

Catholic does not equal Republican. I have a lot of Catholic friends in the north (and protestant ones too) and they want to stay as they are.

What if youre wrong though and someday there is indeed a Catholic majority in the North

What will they do when they realise that by that time there is no longer one in the South

LizT

Mike 1972 wrote: »

What if youre wrong though and someday there is indeed a Catholic majority in the North

What will they do when they realise that by that time there is no longer one in the South

Even if there is a Catholic majority it doesn't mean that there would be a majority of people wanting a united Ireland.

Mike 1972

lizt wrote: »

Even if there is a Catholic majority it doesn't mean that there would be a majority of people wanting a united Ireland.

Yes my point exactly.

They may just as easily opt to stay in the UK

or become part of Poland :pac:

woodoo

snafuk35 wrote: »

A United Ireland would be a disaster.

Loyalists would inevitably fight against the Gardaí and Irish Army in the same way that the IRA fought against the RUC and British Army. The only problem is that the Gardaí and Irish Army have only a little over 20,000 officers and soldiers between them.

When dead sons and a daughters start coming home in body bags and loyalist car bombs explode in Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Waterford and Galway and loyalist gangs shoot up border towns the enthusiasm for a United Ireland is going drop into the floor. The IRA would probably start up a new campaign and would probably target loyalists and the Gardaí and Irish Army and massacre Protestants in reprisal for massacres of Catholics.

Never mind trying to govern Northern Ireland when the economy in the south has been driven in to the ditch. There's not enough money to keep the 26 running without the help of the ECB/IMF bailout.

So how are we supposed to pay for the tanks, helicopters and the build up of police and soldiers we would need to keep control of the 6 counties never mind to try and keep a handle on the loyalists?

Only a moron would believe a United Ireland was ever possible.

It should have been clear as day when the UVF were set up way back in the last century and they armed themselves with guns shipped into Larne that if they were forced into a Free State or Republic that there would be open war.

If you think a United Ireland is a good idea, you need your head examined.

Answer: Secret Police with license to kill.

Richard

c_man wrote: »

Ireland will be united, albeit as a bigger country. Due to continental drift and whatnot, we'll have a new nation in the future.

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I'm just waiting for volcano to spring up of the coast. Just like Hawaii. Then you can have as many new counties as you want.

Richard

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

In my lifetime I think.

Tell us your secret of eternal youth.

Richard

Kasabian wrote: »

No. We know where it is.

Yeah, but getting to it from the south is a problem.

Gary 11

The 26 counties would need to have its economy back on track before there could be any dicussion. Hopefully this will happen and closer links developing with the 6 counties could lead to more discussion on the matter but you would be talking a minimum of 20 years before decent discussion can take place.

Richard

pmcmahon wrote: »

Ireland under the Union Flag would be a pretty sight i must admit

Sure, it wouldn't be the first time.

hamlet1

Tesco Massacre wrote: »

Maybe if you put that aggression into our struggle for freedom we'd have our 32 counties already.

Just sayin', lads.

why would we want to join up with them?they are too different with their skangy unintelligable accents.

RichieC

What's the point?

snafuk35

woodoo wrote: »

Answer: Secret Police with license to kill.

And what if one of your fantasy secret policemen is caught by loyalists and has all his teeth torn out with a pliers on youtube what then?

woodoo

snafuk35 wrote: »

And what if one of your fantasy secret policemen is caught by loyalists and has all his teeth torn out with a pliers on youtube what then?

Retribution would follow

woodoo

hamlet1 wrote: »

why would we want to join up with them?they are too different with their skangy unintelligable accents.

Have you heard the Ballymena accent or the north Antrim accent. Sweet Jesus.

gurramok

woodoo wrote: »

Have you heard the Ballymena accent or the north Antrim accent. Sweet Jesus.

Neverrrrrrrrrrrrrr Everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! You should hear that accent on a microphone in front of thousands

PeterIanStaker

I honestly don't give a rat's arse, but I ticked "less than 20 years" just to annoy the cultural cringing self hating postcolonial types.

al28283

snafuk35 wrote: »

And what if one of your fantasy secret policemen is caught by loyalists and has all his teeth torn out with a pliers on youtube what then?

You could give that video a thumbs down?