PseudoFamous wrote: » Yet only the linked one was discussing the topic of my finances.
Cill Dara Abu wrote: » Thought so... not too bad here after all eh.
Miss Olenska wrote: » I'm of the opinion that third level education is a privilege, not a right. More and more people are being educated to degree standard in this country, yet American multinationals have complained about the poor standard of Irish graduates. Free fees also haven't greatly increased the numbers of students going to college from disadvantaged backgrounds. Bring in a loan system like the UK, where there are fees but they are paid back only once the graduate is earning over a certain amount. A former English housemate of mine was paying back £70 per month on her loan. Hardly extortionate, now is it?
TheyKnowMyIP wrote: » Why not get your education abroad? I am a big believer in the free market, so why put up with increasing fees while the quality of third level education goes down? The amount you invest should be proportional to the actual quality of the education you recieve. Unlike most other nations, irish education appears to operate on the basis of an inverse relationship. This is not opinion, the league tables speak for themselves. Ireland used to deliver a good education at a reasonable cost a few years back, but this is looking like a dwindling proposition. Some European countries don't even charge fees at all. It's a no brainer imo. Stop pissing people off with your aimless protests and put your money where your mouth is. Like most things in life, money is the ultimate bargaining tool. You can protest till you are blue in the face. These increases are not going away. Vote with your euro - It's better than any protest. Am I talking sense or just deluded? You can give the finger not by wasting your breath on them, but by completely writing them out of the equation. Saddling undergrads who aren't exactly research oriented with massive loans isn't going to benefit society in the long run, even if the quality returns to a decent level.
DB21 wrote: » No, they haven't. In fact, our standard of education in the reason many multinationals set up European hubs here.
Miss Olenska wrote: » Yup, and many of those multinational hubs are filled with continental European staff, ya know, with useful second languages and whatnot. My friend works for Facebook, hardly any of her colleagues are Irish.
amacachi wrote: » Something in Ireland being "not too bad"?! Don't be ridiculous, everyone knows it's the worst country in the world and we're living through the most austere times in world history.
Wolfe Tone wrote: » Lads I dont know where you get the college student "out every night" stereotype. I'm a college student, and I live on fcuk all money. They reg fee has pretty much bankrupted me and if I need to get a book they are ridiculously expensive. I can't even afford Internet in the place I stay during the week in Dublin. If I go out once every two weeks I'm lucky. If the reg fee is increased, I will probably won't be able to do the final year of my course, thats my reality, and the reality of loads of students.
Cill Dara Abu wrote: » Oh sorry, I forgot people still went to college during the famine
Orando Broom wrote: » Are you a Yale or a Princeton man?
amacachi wrote: » I assume you'd also be opposed to paying it back later?
Wolfe Tone wrote: » If the reg fee is increased, I will probably won't be able to do the final year of my course, thats my reality, and the reality of loads of students.
PseudoFamous wrote: » Skilled workers pay more tax than unskilled workers in most cases, so it would be payed back, albeit indirectly.
TheyKnowMyIP wrote: » Tell that to the HR drone.
Miss Olenska wrote: » I'm not a HR drone. But yes, if you're capable. University isn't for everyone, but people are encouraged to go whether it's for them or not. :rolleyes:
Wolfe Tone wrote: » If people really want a knowledge based economy then changing the current format will damage that, people simply wont go. I will end up "paying back" with decades of tax. Education is an investment.
Wolfe Tone wrote: » I'll have to do professional exams which are very expensive, god knows were I will get the cash for that. I don't get any grants. If people really want a knowledge based economy then changing the current format will damage that, people simply wont go. I will end up "paying back" with decades of tax. Education is an investment.
TheyKnowMyIP wrote: » You can say all you like, but the fact remains that education is used to filter job applicants.
starbelgrade wrote: » That was almost always the reality. When I was in college many students took a year at a time out of their courses earn enough to pay for the next year or two of college. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but sometimes you just have to do what has to be done in order to get to where you want to go.
Miss Olenska wrote: » And the reason people without letters after their names are now ignored is because degrees are not worth what they once were what with everyone having one now, so they have just become like the LC used to be, a must. Degrees have become devalued.
gnfnrhead wrote: » I didnt know you could do that! I'm here thinking if the fee's go up I wont be able to afford next year but if I can do that, I should be able to get enough together to cover it unless it goes up a lot. How do you do that anyway? Defer it or something?
gnfnrhead wrote: » How do you do that anyway? Defer it or something?
