Tim Robbins wrote: » bmaxi wrote: » You don't pay car tax for owning a car, you pay it for using it on the road. If you don't want to watch TV then don't buy one and you won't have to pay a licence but who can do without a home? I can't believe you still don't get this, I have bought and paid for my house so therefore it is mine. The Government are saying that if I don't pay this tax, for whatever reason, not just if I choose not to, they can take my house. You still seem to be hung up on the €100 thing, Phil Hogan is on record as saying he can't guarantee it will still be €100 next year and experts expect it to double on an annual basis for the next 4 years at least, that will make it €1600 in the life of this Government. I don't know where you got the impression the unemployed are to be spared payment of the tax, I hadn't heard that, AFAIK if you have bought your house you are liable for the tax, unemployed or not. It has also been said that it is a temporary tax, so was income tax. The state comes first, you + me second. Why? Because without a state you and me have no rights. Without a state you cannot own your house or anything. The owning of a house is contigent on a hole host of things that others have to do first. You don't seem to recognise this. So even if you somehow never cost your local authority a penny, you still owe the state something for privilege of been able to buy a house and have it legally in your name. The sooner this tax comes in the better. Irish people think too much me fein and need to get back to thinking of the idea of a state.
bmaxi wrote: » You don't pay car tax for owning a car, you pay it for using it on the road. If you don't want to watch TV then don't buy one and you won't have to pay a licence but who can do without a home? I can't believe you still don't get this, I have bought and paid for my house so therefore it is mine. The Government are saying that if I don't pay this tax, for whatever reason, not just if I choose not to, they can take my house. You still seem to be hung up on the €100 thing, Phil Hogan is on record as saying he can't guarantee it will still be €100 next year and experts expect it to double on an annual basis for the next 4 years at least, that will make it €1600 in the life of this Government. I don't know where you got the impression the unemployed are to be spared payment of the tax, I hadn't heard that, AFAIK if you have bought your house you are liable for the tax, unemployed or not. It has also been said that it is a temporary tax, so was income tax.
origirover wrote: » Tim robbins are you for real?! :-) really!? The sooner a tax comes in the better!? Are you some kind of sucker I mean it doesn't even make sense to say such thing unless of course you have alternative motives which I suspect....I guess you are a keen reich supporter of the heil FG party, a banker or maybe a rich capitalist?! Or maybe you just love your f.;:ing country...so why don't you give your state every f/;(ing penny you earn after you have fed yourself REMEMBER.... You might be nothing without the so called state but...The state is NOTHING without it's citizens.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » Taxation is basically a redistribution of wealth .
origirover wrote: » Einhard, you must be on 100000€ + year or your a party member or politician in disguise because NO ONE says what you do around here (Limerick) and boycotts will surge nationwide. Ireland is a F.?)Ed up country because of individuals like Einhard, law abiding, subordinate and subserving. God help the 1strepublics and democracies if Einhard and the like were around, then again they were around and got their heads chopped off!!
Icepick wrote: » People don't want to pay for drinking water but would not part with their Sky subscription. Some priorities...
bkeano wrote: » come people are we going to take all this crap
RedXIV wrote: » As another someone with 2 kids, I sympathise. but I'm not gonna get thrown out of my house for an extra €9 a month
hatrickpatrick wrote: » I have no problem whatsoever paying taxes to help my country out. What I do have a problem with is paying taxes to bail out millionaire bank exec and bondholders. Show me proof that the money I'm paying is funding services for the Irish citizenry, and I will stop complaining about paying it. Show me that it's funding gamblers' mistakes, and my fury (along with countless others I'm sure) will continue to grow.
Squall19 wrote: » Its not my property, Landlord can pay it. If he even asks me to pay for it, I will be asking for a reduction in rent, I would only be happy to move. Its because of bollix's like him that we are in this mess anyway. Loads of idiots like himself thought they were very smart 5-8 years ago. Fighting with each in bidding wars, for over priced property with an idea to make "easy money" by buying a few houses and renting them out to people like me working 45 hour weeks for peanuts every thursday. Now I will have the last laugh:D
gerryo777 wrote: » €9 a month next year, €90 a month a year soon after and where will it stop. Enough is enough!
meglome wrote: » Though we probably should have thought about that when we were spending like there was no tomorrow.
Squall19 wrote: » Hate when people say that. Like it was normal people that created this mess. Who is the we anyway? Because I am no property developer, like 99% of people in the country. Are you? Property in Ireland was worth 600 billion in 2006, now its worth 350 billion. 250 billion has vanished from the banks books and we the taxpayers pay 250 billion back. Banks were money hungry and screwed ous, the end.
Ste.phen wrote: » Do the people who think such a tax is unfair have better ideas for raising 160m towards cutting the deficit? I'm not even thinking about the bank bailout yet, or the payments on all the loans the EU and UK and IMF gave us, just the difference between govt services in 2011/2012 and the tax take in 2011/2012 Seems like a decent first tiny step to replacing the per-transaction stamp duty income that fell off a cliff when everyone stopped buying houses
meglome wrote: » Again not to be the bringer of reality but the majority of the money we'll owe will be from day to day overspending and not the banks.
psychward wrote: » Yes. Yes I do. Abolish all quangos overnight. They cost the state roughly 15 billion per year so that talentless but well connected FF party hacks can get paid for doing nothing. We somehow managed to survive and approach full employment without the quangos. Eliminate bickering and make it fair by shutting them all with the stroke of a pen (our deficit eliminated). Supermarkets can have their rip off profits hit with a charge to cover the various food safety agencies and if they breach anything hit them harder with fines. They already charge the Irish consumer 14 to 20 % more than in the rest of Europe and wont tell us how much profits they make. If they wont raise prices they can start paying for their own regulation. They wont be able to raise prices further but will have to absorb the costs. Most of our deficit eliminated with the stroke of a pen. We survived in the 1990s and were heading towards full employment and a decent hope for the future without quangos telling the public how to tie their shoelaces safely. Eliminate such nonsense. You only have to look at how Bartholomew was employing his talentless mott with a fancy wage packet to attend a meeting once a week or less on one of these quangos to see what nonsense they are. Only give statutory redundancy to anyone sacked by the state and the banks. The state and banks are insolvent bankrupt companies. Insolvent bankrupt companies don't do fancy redundancy packages. They pull down the shutters and tell you to feck off. Former employees of some bankrupt companies in the private sector get paid off by the taxpayer while others get told to feck off by the taxpayer. Why should one group be special and protected while the other has to starve ?All citizens should be equal.
quaalude wrote: » Nice post, psychward.
psychward wrote: » Yes. Yes I do. Abolish all quangos overnight. They cost the state roughly 15 billion per year so that talentless but well connected FF party hacks can get paid for doing nothing.
gerryo777 wrote: » If we didn't have to put 60 or 70 billion into the banks we would be in a far better place though.
gerryo777 wrote: » But, sure as long as we behave and do what we're told and bring in more and more of these taxes we'll be seen as great little germans altogether.....
meglome wrote: » gerryo777 wrote: » If we didn't have to put 60 or 70 billion into the banks we would be in a far better place though. Oh undoubtedly we'd be better off if we didn't have to put that money into the banks. Though we will get most of the money back at some point hopefully, the overspending money is gone.
meglome wrote: » I get the feeling you're using the 'great little Germans' phrase in a derogatory way. Personally if we'd even been half as sensible as the Germans we wouldn't be in this mess so I fail to see your point.
subway wrote: » too late, country f&cked. pay up or leave. govt cant cut any more expenditure.
