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Would you support the return of the Gaelic Nobility to Ireland?

RepublicanEagle

If not a parliamentary model akin to the UK, would you be in favor if it if it was solely a ceremonial role that replaced the presidency?

I am obviously referring to the clans that fled during, before and after the "Flight of the Earls" and also the ones who remained.

And Brehon Law, what would be your opinion on amending the constitution to accomodate some of the laws that would benefit society?

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Chuck Stone

We have plenty of little dynasties here acting as if they've been born with priviledges we don't need one that actually does have priviledges.

RepublicanEagle

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We can dress em up like him.

ejmaztec

professore wrote: »

I quite fancy renovating the Rock of Dunamaise and ascending to the throne of my ancestors. And my mother is an O'Connor so I could work something out with the DEFTLEFTHAND.

I envisage an almighty fucking punch-op involving thousands of O'Connors fighting each other for the top job.:p

Let me know when and where, and I'll bring a fleet of hot-dog and burger vans, oh and some pop-corn.

Where To

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Rory O'Connor was the last High King in 1198.

Not of the proud Aileach men he wasn't

RepublicanEagle

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I'll take the position of High King if that's alright. I'm an O'Connor, the last Irish royal family.:cool:

I am a direct decendant of Hugh O'Neill himself, can always have a duel to the death if it comes to it.:D

Dionysus

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I'll take the position of High King if that's alright. I'm an O'Connor, the last Irish royal family.:cool:

And the first Irish family to sign a treaty with the crown of England.

madison2011

No no no you are all wrong, I am Queen Maedhbh's direct descendent and I have come to rob all your cows. Jeez I cant wait to get back in my stride again. Steak from the bitches kitchen anyone?:)

DEFTLEFTHAND

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

I am a direct decendant of Hugh O'Neill himself, can always have a duel to the death if it comes to it.:D

Meet me at dawn on the hill of Tara and we'll settle this.:D

Gingko

Oh what ****E!!! I'm a descendent of this High King Or that Chieftain??? How the f**k does anyone really know? It is a very long time ago and it is very much history or HIS STORY! It's all mixed up as is our ancestry! Were a mixed bag of DNA! Life is ever changing!

professore

It's all a bit vague TBH. My family name Moore could be of the O'Moores of Laois or de Mora who were Anglo Norman i.e. Vikings who settled in Normandy. Hey it's all good.

Where To

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

I am a direct decendant of Hugh O'Neill himself, can always have a duel to the death if it comes to it.:D

If you're an Uladh man I'm with you. Now if we can find any descendants of Boru on here we can take them as well.

ejmaztec

It seems that even now this country's run by a bunch of sell-outs.:(

Chuck Stone

Sure the British royals have mostly 'German Blood' in them.

If anything royals expose how daft a family at the head of a country is because they've all been inter-breeding across national boundraies for most of recent history - not least of all the 'British' who are polluted with German blood more than England is polluted with the exhaust fumes of German cars.

Wibbs

RichieC wrote: »

why the fk would anyone want this?

+1000 Given I'd be 20th or somesuch in line for said throne and know many of the nearerr 20, I'd defo say no. Inbred fcuks the lot of them*scratches third eye with sixth finger. Dribbles. Interferes with ones own personage*.

strobe

Does anyone know if the lineage of the Earls is known? Are there people alive that can trace their family tree back to the flying guys?

ascanbe

The 'Gaelic nobility'?
Is that not the likes of Tony O'Reilly, the people who've been bailed out by our rulers at the expense of the serfs/NAMA, and the lawyers/golden circle/various others who have access to the trough?
Isn't every political decision made in this country made in order to ensure that that trough is continuously replenished?
Do you think the 'Gaelic nobility' ever went away?

RepublicanEagle

ascanbe wrote: »

The 'Gaelic nobility'?
Is that not the likes of Tony O'Reilly, the people who've been bailed out by our rulers at the expense of the serfs/NAMA, and the lawyers/golden circle/various others who have access to the trough?
Isn't every political decision made in this country made in order to ensure that that trough is continuously replenished?
Do you think the 'Gaelic nobility' ever went away?

No, we speak of the clans of old, that were forced into exile.

FloatingVoter

I was Cleopatra in a previous life. Does that count ?

pragmatic1

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

No, we speak of the clans of old, that were forced into exile.

Exactly they were pussy and abandoned their people. Whats noble about that.

RepublicanEagle

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Exactly they were pussy and abandoned their people. Whats noble about that.

No they were not, they were forced by the English, and the Flight of the Earls than took place, they left for Europe in order to organise a military liberation effort, Hugh O'Neill dedicated his entire life to returning to Ireland with an army behind them to drive out the oppressors, but it never materialised because he died, and there is reasonable speculation that he may have been poisoned.

RepublicanEagle

FloatingVoter wrote: »

I was Cleopatra in a previous life. Does that count ?

No, you are mistaking Ireland with Egypt, it was worth a try I suppose.:rolleyes:

Wibbs

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

Would you not agree that there would be a lot of cultural benefits and a feeling of regaining a part of our heritage that has been lost for centuries?

By artificially regaining a privileged aristocracy that have no talents for a political post other than accident of birth? (that stuff's bad enough with some of our political dynasties:)) As for culture, again we have to look at the artificiality of an enterprise like this. Then the costs. We'd be supporting such people(and their families) out of the public purse. Would this include palaces and lands? I do see where you're coming from alright and if our monarchy had only gone defunct a generation ago and we were very attached to it(like some former soviet bloc lands) I would be more on board, but the only monarch we've had for the guts of 600 years has been an English(well, Norman French, followed by Austrian with the odd drop of Welsh) and we sure as hell don't want that guff. Plus one could argue that even so called high kings in Ireland were a bit of a different kettle of fish to European monarchs.

sensibleken

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I'll take the position of High King if that's alright. I'm an O'Connor, the last Irish royal family.:cool:

on charlemount street in dublin there is a coat of arms above the door of a hostle. one of the residents claimed of be the high king of ireland since the office was never abolished and he was a descendent of teh last one.

Just want to point out that the Rí of ireland were elected and not at all like the British monarchy. In fact Shane O'Neill presented himself to Elizabeth I to beg her not to introduce primogeniture and keep succession on an elected basis. He was laughed out of court mainly because of his appearance. Gaelic cloak and Glib haircut (like short dreadlocks)

Also. 100 years ago Brehon law would have been more benificial to women than common law. It took untill the 20th century to catch up with it in terms of civil liberties

sensibleken

Wibbs wrote: »

+1000 Given I'd be 20th or somesuch in line for said throne and know many of the nearerr 20, I'd defo say no. Inbred fcuks the lot of them*scratches third eye with sixth finger. Dribbles. Interferes with ones own personage*.

fraid not dude. succession in gaelic nobility wasnt inherited. it was elected. Mael Seachlainn II was actually elected high king twice.

paddyandy

Nobility has no Flag or Banners or Rowdy Patriotism nor heady childish banter.

flyingoutside

mikemac wrote: »

Never mind the Meath boyos, the capital was Cashel at one stage
Up Tipp :cool:

Of course the city folk in Limerick, Dublin and Waterford let themselves get taken over by the Vikings.
Hmmm, we can't call them West Brits but maybe there is another name for them

The Vikings founded those towns not took them over. History must have been replaced with talking ****e in Tipp schools.

Mike 1972

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Rory O'Connor was the last High King in 1198.

What exactly was he high on ?

Wibbs

sensibleken wrote: »

fraid not dude. succession in gaelic nobility wasnt inherited. it was elected. Mael Seachlainn II was actually elected high king twice.

It depended. Certainly for clan chiefs. Hell even early Irish church abbots passed on the title to sons.

Mardy Bum

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

No they were not, they were forced by the English, and the Flight of the Earls than took place, they left for Europe in order to organise a military liberation effort, Hugh O'Neill dedicated his entire life to returning to Ireland with an army behind them to drive out the oppressors, but it never materialised because he died, and there is reasonable speculation that he may have been poisoned.

He sat in Italy drinking all day and became a bar stool revolutionary.

RepublicanEagle

Mardy Bum wrote: »

He sat in Italy Tallaght drinking all day and became a bar stool revolutionary.

Don't forget chanting "up da RA"