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Veronica guerin

TheMilkyPirate

This could be a touchy subject for some but here goes.

Do you think she went too far? As in do you think she should have stopped what she was doing and let it be.

After her family was threatened I know a few people who said that should have been it, She knew who she was dealing with and what they were capable of doing but kept on going. Some people call it bravery, Some stupidity.

Edited:Ruining what could be a good conversation.

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EGAR

Standing up for what you believe in and exposing wrong doing doesn't seem to be an Irish thing at all recently. People are way to complacent and have an *ah **** it, let someone else do it* attitude, even now.

Zebra3

A true hero.

Scum like Ahern should be

at what they're milking from the state considering what she done.

TheMilkyPirate

Me again! wrote: »

she died in 1996, why are you bringing this up. Surely you have something more current you could come up with?

You'd be a big hit in the history forum

washman3

Me again! wrote: »

she died in 1996, why are you bringing this up. Surely you have something more current you could come up with?

Yes 1996, all of 15 years ago.!! And it should be brought up every week for the next 15 years and rammed down the throats of the people that failed her. :mad:

mickdw

Didnt killing her turn out to be the biggest mistake that the gangs ever made. Im open to correction but I think her murder led to the setting up of CAB and that really did the criminals severe damage, directly where it hurt - in the pocket.

LETHAL LADY

I watched the film and I came away with the opinion that she was a bit wreckless when it came to her personal and families safety. However I do think that she may have been encouraged into taking unnecessary risks by her employers which was not very apparent in the film.

Edit: I also followed true events as they unfolded slightly different of course to what was portrayed in the movie.

PK2008

They under estimated her courage, she under estimated their ruthlessness

She is/was a hero

ascanbe

General General wrote: »

A step above "War Correspondent", but nevertheless...

To be honest, i'd consider them several steps below, in most cases..
Apart from in the case of 'embedded' war-correspondents; they're possibly a step above them, alright.

mikemac

Me again! wrote: »

she died in 1996, why are you bringing this up. Surely you have something more current you could come up with?

Turn on your TV and flick to BBC One

And the OP came up with one of the better threads in AH

starbelgrade

Me again! wrote: »

she died in 1996, why are you bringing this up. Surely you have something more current you could come up with?

Are you trying to say that things which happened in the past have no relevance?

Your history teacher must love you.

washman3

Biggins wrote: »

Paul Williams is more of a sensationalist journalist more so and loves himself.
Other than that I agree with the rest.

Cant speak for other parts of the country, but i live in Limerick and i can tell you for sure anything Williams reports from here is 100% true. if anything its toned down a bit. there is nothing sensationalist about it.
the scum he reports on ARE capable of anything.

General General

ascanbe wrote: »

No one 'deserves' to be murdered, obviously; even someone who willingly works for the Sunday Independent.
But it's legitimate to ponder on the motives and purpose of any 'investigative crime-reporter' and the owners and editors of the papers they work for, and to wonder if they simply exacerbate the situation; they're ultimately only there to sell papers.
Should she not have done what she did? I suppose that was up to her.

A step above "War Correspondent", but nevertheless...

starbelgrade

ascanbe wrote: »

No one 'deserves' to be murdered, obviously; even someone who willingly works for the Sunday Independent.

ascanbe

No one 'deserves' to be murdered, obviously; even someone who willingly works for the Sunday Independent.
But it's legitimate to ponder on the motives and purpose of any 'investigative crime-reporter' and the owners and editors of the papers they work for, and to wonder if they simply exacerbate the situation; they're ultimately only there to sell papers.
Should she not have done what she did? I suppose that was up to her.

Me again!

baraca wrote: »

This could be a touchy subject for some but here goes.

Do you think she went too far? As in do you think she should have stopped what she was doing and let it be.

After her family was threatened I know a few people who said that should have been it, She knew who she was dealing with and what they were capable of doing but kept on going. Some people call it bravery, Some stupidity.

Edited:Ruining what could be a good conversation.

she died in 1996, why are you bringing this up. Surely you have something more current you could come up with?

Biggins

washman3 wrote: »

Veronica is a true Irish legend. i think she was of the firm belief that the scum she exposed simply had'nt the balls to kill her. she was right but the scum got even greater scum to carry out their dirty work and gun her down.
she exposed what our farce of a justice system failed miserably to expose,
a justice system that was designed for the dark ages, aided and abetted by a shambolic government who were busy plotting a property bubble with their banker/speculator/developer cronies in the comfort of "the tent".
These scum are on par with the scum that murdered Veronica.
A lot of good has come from her death,but not enough. Thanks to the likes of Paul Williams the work continues.
She was the bravest of the brave. May she rest in peace.!

Paul Williams is more of a sensationalist journalist more so and loves himself.
Other than that I agree with the rest.

washman3

starbelgrade wrote: »

You're havin' a laugh - Paul Williams is a muppet who is either clever enough to make up shit that people believe or stupid enough be fed stories from people who think he's an idiot.

Or a combination of both.

Either way, he's hardly what I'd call an investigative journalist.

You posting from "the Joy" ??
thought 7.30 was lock up time.

hondasam

starbelgrade wrote: »

You're havin' a laugh - Paul Williams is a muppet who is either clever enough to make up shit that people believe or stupid enough be fed stories from people who think he's an idiot.

Or a combination of both.

Either way, he's hardly what I'd call an investigative journalist.

Not forgetting how protected he is. I dunno if he has as much protection now with the cut backs.

washman3

senorwipesalot wrote: »

Usually when I get a fcukin bullet in the leg I call a halt.

when you're paint-balling

starbelgrade

washman3 wrote: »

Thanks to the likes of Paul Williams the work continues.

You're havin' a laugh - Paul Williams is a muppet who is either clever enough to make up shit that people believe or stupid enough be fed stories from people who think he's an idiot.

Or a combination of both.

Either way, he's hardly what I'd call an investigative journalist.

JerryHandbag

NufcNavan wrote: »

Cate Blanchett is a top ride.

Watch Notes On A Scandal. Whohoo!

washman3

Veronica is a true Irish legend. i think she was of the firm belief that the scum she exposed simply had'nt the balls to kill her. she was right but the scum got even greater scum to carry out their dirty work and gun her down.
she exposed what our farce of a justice system failed miserably to expose,
a justice system that was designed for the dark ages, aided and abetted by a shambolic government who were busy plotting a property bubble with their banker/speculator/developer cronies in the comfort of "the tent".
These scum are on par with the scum that murdered Veronica.
A lot of good has come from her death,but not enough. Thanks to the likes of Paul Williams the work continues.
She was the bravest of the brave. May she rest in peace.!

previous user

The film Veronica Guerin is on BBC1 at the moment.

NufcNavan

Cate Blanchett is a top ride.

starbelgrade

There's a lot more to the Veronica Guerin story than what was portrayed in the film of the months leading up to her death.

Her death was a terrible event, something which of course, she did not deserve.

There's also the argument however, that if you remove the criminal element to drugs, then you remove the need for criminal gangs. But that's another argument, I suppose.

senorwipesalot

Usually when I get a fcukin bullet in the leg I call a halt.

megaten

She did well.

Carsinian Thau

Extremely retarded question. Of course she didn't f*cking deserve it.

Chuck Stone

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

She Sacrificed her life to save the likes of me and you. She did well IMO.

A bit like Jesus Christ.

TheMilkyPirate

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Of course she didn't deserve it?

Why do you think she deseved it OP? :trollfacé:

I don't.