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So you meet Bertie Ahern in the Local

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What do you do ?

I ask this question because, I have seen people happily taking snaps with him and all smilies and posting them then on facebook. A day or two later or in the past such statuses post by same user complaining about, how ****ed the country is, there taxes etc...

So why did they get in a photo with the guy who caused this mess?

Personally I know people would say they would punch his lights out etc..

I would actully tell Bertie you made such a fine mess of this country you gob****e and you should be ashamed of yourself. I would defiantly not get in a photo with him.

That is all.

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amacca

the groutch wrote: »

I'd give him a five second head start

one thing about the lesser spotted bertie aherne

hes deceptively fast.........you sure you want to give away that much of an advantage?

tellin ya...you'd do well not to underestimate him

Da_Doc

Meh, people get the politicians they deserve. loada people tried to make a quick buck during the boom, money was flying around, everyone thought the good times were going to go on forever. He lined his pockets, so did half the country.

Politicians and civil service werent the only ones who milked the expenses; people in finance, and other professional sevices milking clients for professional fees and expenses, ordinary working class people buying second houses here and abroad as investment properties. Developers building housing estates in the middle of nowhere.

Its nice to have scapegoats though, a lot easier than looking closer to home. Im sure the man didnt intentionally go out with bad intentions.

Paddy Samurai

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I'd tell him the least he could do after everything is buy me a pint!

Bertie came into my local the night of the Dublin win.He came in with some guy and a girl.As the guy was buying bertie a round,my mate who was at the bar getting two pints said to the barman "these are on bertie" and walked away.The barman nodded and berties mate just put his change in his pocket.My mate reckons they did'nt even notice they were charged for two extra pints.:)

Just some trivia....................
In this particular pub ,there is a painting with a brass plaque to the right of the toilets.
It was painted by Bertie,and shows a goose laying a golden egg.

Son Of A Vidic

Da_Doc wrote: »

He lined his pockets, so did half the country.

Just a slight exaggeration there perhaps.

Mr Trade In

Ask him what is it like to be a hermaphrodite, as he is said to be both a d1ck and a cnut at any given time, also I would ask him to buy me a raffle ticket for the bar draw as he is luckier than an army of Leprechauns.

Littlehorny

Would walk out of pub, his face is gone so sour these days it would turn the pints into stale piss!!!

Biggins

Da_Doc wrote: »

Meh, people get the politicians they deserve. loada people tried to make a quick buck during the boom...

Loada - not all - and I suspect not the majority!

Da_Doc wrote: »

...everyone thought the good times were going to go on forever.

No - where were you when even Mr Ahern was talking about suicide and those saying "No" ?

Da_Doc wrote: »

...He lined his pockets, so did half the country.

Really?
Can you back that crap up with figures/proof?

Da_Doc wrote: »

...ordinary working class people buying second houses here and abroad as investment properties.

O' yes, the same "half the country" ? :rolleyes:

Da_Doc wrote: »

...Developers building housing estates in the middle of nowhere.

Did the people make them stick them there too now?

Da_Doc wrote: »

...Its nice to have scapegoats though, a lot easier than looking closer to home.

O' yes - here we go... Everyone is to blame again ...or wait... is it half the country?

Da_Doc wrote: »

....I'm sure the man didnt intentionally go out with bad intentions.

Your either trying to be funny, wearing rose tinted glasses or very naive!

Da_Doc

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Just a slight exaggeration there perhaps.

Ya course it was dude, but would you not agree with at least the general sentiment of my post. After my exaggeration I did attempt to point out a few examples of what I meant.

Biggins

Da_Doc wrote: »

...After my exaggeration I did attempt to point out a few examples of what I meant.

No, you didn't.
You trotted out the usual too simplistic view that has been regurgitated wrongly by a few that haven't bothered to study in detail as to what actually went wrong!

I suggest you read "The Bankers" by Shane Ross as well as "Wasters"
When you finish them, read "Bertie Ahern and the Drumcondra Mafia" which explains in GREAT detail and backed up by evidence, how Mr Ahearn from his early outset, went out with his Drumcondra mates to use and abuse the political system and economic system to their own ends of gain - gain put first ahead of the public's needs and wishes!

Then come back being more factually aware and not just trot out inaccurate, too simplistic rubbish!

[Deleted User]

I'd kick him in the sack

Da_Doc

Biggins wrote: »

Loada - not all - and I suspect not the majority!

No - where were you when even Mr Ahern was talking about suicide and those saying "No" ?

Really?
Can you back that crap up with figures/proof?

O' yes, the same "half the country" ? :rolleyes:

Did the people make them stick them there too now?

O' yes - here we go... Everyone is to blame again ...or wait... is it half the country?

Your either trying to be funny, wearing rose tinted glasses or very naive!

Oh my my Biggins, I forgot I was posting in AH where anypost must either be a sarcastic mocking remark or backed up with exact facts and figures and proof beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise or an aggressive attempt at belitteling the poster will follow.

Half the country was an unfortunate remark by me which I retract. As for the rest of my post it stands.

I only have anecdotal evidence regarding people buying investment properties, my uncle bought an apartment in bulgaria, neighbours bought rental properties in galway. Did you not hear about the property bubble?

As for the developers I never claimed it was "the people" who made them put them there, all i was doing was pointing out examples of people other than politicians who were greedy during the boom years and tried to get as much money as they could. I also pointed out other examples. I didnt judge any of them, i just pointed out that people were trying to make a quick buck.

And no master Biggins I am not naive, maybe not as eloquent a poster as your fine self but what I mean is that I believe he actually went out to do well for the country, he just thought he could do well for himself in the process.

Fighting Irish

I'd say "you f*cked up, but you're only human and you gave the public exactly what they asked for"

Fighting Irish

Da_Doc wrote: »

Meh, people get the politicians they deserve. loada people tried to make a quick buck during the boom, money was flying around, everyone thought the good times were going to go on forever. He lined his pockets, so did half the country.

Politicians and civil service werent the only ones who milked the expenses; people in finance, and other professional sevices milking clients for professional fees and expenses, ordinary working class people buying second houses here and abroad as investment properties. Developers building housing estates in the middle of nowhere.

Its nice to have scapegoats though, a lot easier than looking closer to home. Im sure the man didnt intentionally go out with bad intentions.

Perfect!

Biggins

Da_Doc wrote: »

...I believe he actually went out to do well for the country, he just thought he could do well for himself in the process.

Maybe when as a teen/young adult when he first joined the ranks of FF - but from he becoming minister of Finance under C. Haughty (who himself called Ahern "the most cunning of them all") he decided to behave in a manner unbecoming regarding the position he held then and later.
You are right in one thing - he DID do well for himself - just not for the country!

Da_Doc

Biggins wrote: »

No, you didn't.
You trotted out the usual too simplistic view that has been regurgitated wrongly by a few that haven't bothered to study in detail as to what actually went wrong!

I suggest you read "The Bankers" by Shane Ross as well as "Wasters"
When you finish them, read "Bertie Ahern and the Drumcondra Mafia" which explains in GREAT detail and backed up by evidence, how Mr Ahearn from his early outset, went out with his Drumcondra mates to use and abuse the political system and economic system to their own ends of gain - gain put first ahead of the public's needs and wishes!

Then come back being more factually aware and not just trot out inaccurate, too simplistic rubbish!

Whatever dude, you win. Maybe Im wrong about bertie aherne and he is a lot more sinister than I thought but it could not have been in his interest for the economy to go down the drain. I am also fully aware that bertie and co talked up the economy and shouted down the likes of McWilliams, Alan Ahern etc. My only point which you keep ignoring is that there was a lot of greed in Irish society, of which I am a part, and to point the blame at only a few is too easy.

Biggins

Da_Doc wrote: »

...My only point which you keep ignoring is that there was a lot of greed in Irish society, of which I am a part, and to point the blame at only a few is too easy.

I'm not ignoring it.
There is a lot of greed in Irish society - but the VAST majority of it was at white collar level. Upper management and higher in most cases.
To point the blame blankly at everyone too - is too easy, and quite frankly wrong.
Its far too (wrongly) simplistic and shows that more understanding is needed by many as to see how a clear minority did the damage they did - party by abusing the trust of the vast majority of the people.

Da_Doc

Biggins wrote: »

I'm not ignoring it.
There is a lot of greed in Irish society - but the VAST majority of it was at white collar level. Upper management and higher in most cases.
To point the blame blankly at everyone too - is too easy, and quite frankly wrong.
Its far too (wrongly) simplistic and shows that more understanding is needed by many as to see how a clear minority did the damage they did - party by abusing the trust of the vast majority of the people.

Ya true, but while I did speak of ordinary people buying investment properties most of my examples were at white collar level. I worked as an intern in an accountancy firm for most of 2007 and there was a culture of waiting on that extra hour when you were out auditing a firm to make sure you got the extra 40 euro a day expenses for working past 7, on top of the tenner lunch expenses.

If we went auditing out of town it would always be a 120 euro a night hotel. I was a student doing my internship there so I didnt question any of this but they were charging my time at about 40 euro an hour....I got about 400 euro a week. We did work very hard though.

I could go on with examples and most of my classmates at the time had similar stories. The clients seemed happy to pay these expenses and our managers were getting huge bonuses etc.

And of course a tiny majority did the damage, that is well documented. Im not placing the blame on all of society, the government is there to advise the people and of course they did advise that house prices would have a soft landing etc. which the general public had no reason to disbelieve.

All I was saying is that money was flowing and and a lot of people were making hay while the sun was shining. I havnt read those books you provided links to but I was always under the impression that Bertie meant well by the country but was lining his pockets because he thought whats the harm everyones making money. Not excusable at all but I never saw him as the villan of the story.

Biggins

Da_Doc wrote: »

...Not excusable at all but I never saw him as the villan of the story.

I disagree with you on a number of points - but won't go on about them.
I've no genuine wish to be a pain to you.

I would humbly suggest that you read the suggested material or another one of the following:

* Who Really Runs Ireland?: The story of the elite who led Ireland from bust to boom ...and back again

* Ship of Fools: How Stupidity and Corruption Sank the Celtic Tiger

He was and is a very central villain of the story.
Not one but two major independent European banking reports lays the blame right at his own doorstep - besides many other highly respected individuals at home and internationally.

Even Mike Murphy tonight on the Late Late Show (partly advertising his 6 part own interview show every Thursday starting next week) said Ahern refuses to see what others see still, what he has done (and recognised by many).

Da_Doc

Biggins wrote: »

I disagree with you on a number of points - but won't go on about them.
I've no genuine wish to be a pain to you.

I would humbly suggest that you read the suggested material or another one of the following:

* Who Really Runs Ireland?: The story of the elite who led Ireland from bust to boom

* Ship of Fools: How Stupidity and Corruption Sank the Celtic Tiger

He was and is a very central villain of the story.
Not one but two major independent European banking reports lays the blame right at his own doorstep - besides many other highly respected individuals at home and internationally.

Even Mike Murphy tonight on the Late Late said Ahern refuses to see what others see still, what he has done (and recognised by many).

Cool bud will do, especially interested in reading the shane ross book. Cheers

Ulysses Gaze

Throw a handful of cent coins at the fckers feet.

People used to do the same to Haughey and he rarely left his house because of it.