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Catalonia bans bullfighting

steddyeddy

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/last-bullfight-held-barcelona-stadium-021850219.html

This is the last time catalonia will host a bullfight. Some say its more about politics than concern about animal welfare but a lot say whatever the reason the end result is welcome. I would say its a welocome end myself but Im open to peoples opinions.

So should bullfighting in general be banned or are people over reacting?

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stupidusername

im invisible wrote: »

yeah, it makes the steak taste so much nicer...

Exactly.

My name is URL wrote: »

No, and ultimately it is all raised as meat.. but getting outraged by and demanding the banning of the former, while preaching about the merits of the latter doesn't make much sense.. to me at least. We kill thousands of cattle for every one killed in a Bullfighting ring. We'll never get to see 99.99% of what has been slaughtered for us, while those killing the animal in a stadium will enjoy the entire fruit of their labour.

I don't necessarily support or condone the sport as a legitimate one, but I can't see the logic in why people get so worked up about it either.

My point wasn't about an animal being killed, it was about the stuff that goes on before it, that makes it a sport. If you're going to kill an animal, just kill it, there's no need to make it a sport.

Chuck Stone

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't necessarily support or condone the sport as a legitimate one, but I can't see the logic in why people get so worked up about it either.

It's the manner in which the animal dies that gets people's backs up I guess.

I just don't think bull-torturing should be viewed as some sort of macho achievment - as some sort of desirable thing to do or spectate at.

I understand your beef though.

af_thefragile

If people enjoy seeing blood, torture and killing, they should instead bring back the Roman's style Gladiator death matches. That way there'll at least be a fair competition between the one's fighting as to either of them losing their life rather than some poor, mostly helpless, animal being taunted and killed slowly.

steddyeddy

Zebra3 wrote: »

No, there's not.

Right thats rubbish.

af_thefragile

Zebra3 wrote: »

No, there's not.

When you kill an animal for food, you have respect for the animal and you kill it in the fastest and least painful way for the animal. Or at least that's how its supposed to be done in most cultures, sadly commercialism is changing this.

It is very different from enjoying watching a poor and mostly helpless animal being tortured merely for fun.

Same as when you're in a war, its fine to shoot and kill your opponent but you will be prosecuted for torturing the POWs.

KeithAFC

I think it should not be banned. If the animal is used as meat after, then I see no problem with this.

LH Pathe

I have yet to try a bull burrito. Keep in mind the bull is the only one ever doing the chasing if a pissed off mass of muscle with a bee in it's bonnet wants to impale you, why not make an occasional spectacle of it. Life on the edge. where else can you pull on a bandana n watch the greatest football team ever assembled til the small hours then stumble home howling at the moon. Without incident.. though the mental health services here would likely disagree

Zebra3 wrote: »

No, there's not.

Troll McTrollerson

inmyday

KeithAFC wrote: »

I think it should not be banned. If the animal is used as meat after, then I see no problem with this.

Just **** off, I hate reading any of your posts on boards. Why are you back in after hours recently? You are not funny and just trying to annoy people, why are you on an irish website? ****

****ing ****

Warper

Here we go again - do gooders out to ruin everything. Lets ban horse-racing, fishing - oh no wait we eat fish and we eat animals so its ok to cage them all, nicely squashed together and then butchered for us to eat. Thats perfectly fine. But ya down with the bullfighting

af_thefragile

Warper wrote: »

Here we go again - do gooders out to ruin everything. Lets ban horse-racing, fishing - oh no wait we eat fish and we eat animals so its ok to cage them all, nicely squashed together and then butchered for us to eat. Thats perfectly fine. But ya down with the bullfighting

That is not perfectly fine... No animal should be kept in stressful conditions.

Warper

af_thefragile wrote: »

That is not perfectly fine... No animal should be kept in stressful conditions.

Do you eat chicken?

steddyeddy

Warper wrote: »

Here we go again - do gooders out to ruin everything. Lets ban horse-racing, fishing - oh no wait we eat fish and we eat animals so its ok to cage them all, nicely squashed together and then butchered for us to eat. Thats perfectly fine. But ya down with the bullfighting

Do gooders? A do gooder is someone who wants to mimise suffering? Seriously??

Zebra3

af_thefragile wrote: »

When you kill an animal for food, you have respect for the animal

Laughable.

Kevin Duffy

steddyeddy wrote: »

Do gooders? A do gooder is someone who wants to mimise suffering? Seriously??

Is that not political correctness gone mad? Or am I thinking of elf and safety gone mad? Or is it bleeding-heart liberal do-gooders gone mad? Feck, no, what am I saying? It's the nanny state gone mad, isn't it? Well, we can agree someone's gone mad. Probably didn't think of the children either, on account of they've gone mad.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Laughable.

What's laughable is you not being able to do anything but post one liners and incapable of backing up what your one liners are saying.

Eve_Dublin

steddyeddy wrote: »

That was my point about the politics involved and the fact that it doesnt seem to be up to the spanish people as previous posters have suggested.

Was typing my comment as you posted.

Warper

steddyeddy wrote: »

Do gooders? A do gooder is someone who wants to mimise suffering? Seriously??

Again, do you eat meat?

Chuck Stone

So the only people who have any moral credibility condenming bull-torturing are strict vegans?

Is that the argument?

steddyeddy

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Is that not political correctness gone mad? Or am I thinking of elf and safety gone mad? Or is it bleeding-heart liberal do-gooders gone mad? Feck, no, what am I saying? It's the nanny state gone mad, isn't it? Well, we can agree someone's gone mad. Probably didn't think of the children either, on account of they've gone mad.

Whats mad is the neat little boxs people place each other in, liberal, do gooder ect.

steddyeddy

Warper wrote: »

Again, do you eat meat?

Yes I do I dont dress up like a gay hamlet and chase the meat around with a sword though In front of large crowds!

Warper

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yes I do I dont dress up like a gay hamlet and chase the meat around with a sword though In front of large crowds!

No of course not, you let others do the killing for you but you dont complain about that.

LH Pathe

If these people had their way the bull would be walking amongst us.

big raging bully in the event of no mating partner humbled. I think a spectacle should be made of that.. here, and abroad.

/ isn't the matador one of madonna's many fantasies?! end it NOW.

Warper wrote: »

No of course not, you let others do the killing for you but you dont complain about that.

because they're not torturing them for fun.

sheesh

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well I dont know animal welfare is everyones concern.

yes but at a certain point it just gets preachy and counter productive.

steddyeddy

Warper wrote: »

No of course not, you let others do the killing for you but you dont complain about that.

You dont see a difference between torturing an animal to death and killing it as humanly as possibly?

KeithAFC

SV wrote: »

because they're not torturing them for fun.

How do you know that? So many animals are killed and so many animals do suffer in different ways. No one complains about that. This is just another sign of PC hypocrisy in my opinion.

Look at the recent videos which came out of the slaughter houses, people basically kicking the shyte out of the animals and treating them like shyte. I bet it happens more than people think.

LH Pathe

If the bull seeks to live by the sword then it WILL - DIE; by the sword.

af_thefragile

Warper wrote: »

Do you eat chicken?

I believe chickens and other animals shouldn't be caged and be allowed to roam free (free range or whatever you'ld like to call it). Yes I know its not that way in reality, we don't live in an ideal world, yada yada etc. That doesn't mean I'll conform to what I believe is not moral or ideal to me.

Still most sheep and cows are allowed to roam and graze freely on the farm land. They're not kept in a stressed environment except for maybe the final moments of their life but that's something every living thing needs to deal with.

Warper wrote: »

No of course not, you let others do the killing for you but you dont complain about that.

When they do it, its quick. Which is why you have certain standards for slaughtering animals for consumption. You don't torture and stress the animal and give it a slow painful death while making a public spectacle out of it for other's to gain some sort of pleasure out of it.

steddyeddy

KeithAFC wrote: »

How do you know that? So many animals are killed and so many animals do suffer in different ways. No one complains about that. This is just another sign of PC hypocrisy in my opinion.

Look at the recent videos which came out of the slaughter houses, people basically kicking the shyte out of the animals and treating them like shyte. I bet it happens more than people think.

The difference is keith when these people are caught doing that regulations are brought in to combat it.