sharpknife wrote: » total waste of time....take forever to recruit & now they dont have enough to pay full time guards. Reserve dont get to do much either
TheBigLt wrote: » I'm new to this, i read most of the threads so i decided to join. I am currently waiting to be called for interview for the Garda Reserve. I have many close relatives serving as full time gardai. Before applying for the GR i asked some of them is it worth it and what do they do when on duty. My cousin who is an experienced garda said that reserve gardai are basically one of the boys,treat them with respect and they'll do the same. at the end of the day I believe when in a uniform,no matter whether you are full time or part time you'll have back up and thats essentially what reserve gardai are for. More bodies patrolling the streets,unless you have your wits about you you wont be able to tell the difference between full time members or reserves. And on the topic of if you are assaulted while on duty,of course you have authority to arrest the offender,the reason you are in the uniform is to carry out your duties,and that is to enforce the law. Assault of a garda would be under Section 4(3) of the Criminal Law Act 1997 (power of arrest for an ‘arrestable offence’)
westcoastboy wrote: » Never, look at the UK, where specials after a time, gain IPS independant patrol status...we usually copy everything the UK does, do we not
westcoastboy wrote: » i know many reserves who have been in the GS for 4 years plus.. we are eager to learn, it is up to the management of AGS to train us, examine us and let us aid the GS...we are part timers but so are the GAA playes who played on Sunday.. Go on the Dubs..
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munster4868 wrote: » Don't really understand the point you are trying to make here. You will receive the correct amount of training for the role you are to do, I did and after 4.5 years as a reserve this training has stood to me good. With the shortage of money and the amount of training required to bring you up to a standard for IPS you can understand in the short/medium term why this won't happen... Just because you are a Reserve for x amount of years does not and should not entitle you to IPS. We as volunteers should respect the decisions that AGS make, I for one do. And as I know, IPS will not happen for a long long long time.
TylerIE wrote: » I broadly agree but IPS could be brought in on a shoe string budget for those who want it... Ironically at the moment Reserves are able to arrest for the serious crimes that require paperwork, major knowledge, files, multiple court appearances, statements and experience etc. These are the very crimes that could be messed up by a lack of knowledge. However IPS with Public Order, Traffic, Theft / Fraud and Drugs, ie bread & butter stuff would not quite require 2 years training. With a minimal amount of training these are offences which a GR would certainly be safer prosecuting than an CJA Arrestable Offence. Which is more likely to cause hassle or be more difficult? A reserve arresting for assault causing harm and prosecuting same (think of the files) or a reserve arresting for S4 POA? A Reserve with IPS would just be an extra body on the street, an extra set of eyes and ears, helping to keep the friendly guard on the beat. If needed the District Car can assist when required.
ZoneAlarm wrote: » Aye totally agree with you, but as i have said before there are "Reserves" that dont want extra powers, wonder what will happen if they do give them, will people just ignore it, not come in anymore in case they get lumbered, or what will happen, all views welcome on this can of worms
munster4868 wrote: » And as the GRA sees it... IPS = 1 less regular employed. I hate saying it and I would like IPS but this will not happen in my lifetime... That is not saying the people shouldn't push still for it...
TylerIE wrote: » Well in the UK (maybe we shouldnt compare) while its expected that people work towards IPS, its not compulsory in many areas. Those that dont achieve it carry on second/third person. Those that do complete the portfolio get IPS. It also could mean that those reserves who must be accompanied, go out with reserves who do have IPS. IPS Status or not, solo patrol (at night anyway) is not something that should be taken lightly, so the extra body could be useful still.
ZoneAlarm wrote: » Unfortunately it wont work like that, all will be required to attend the classes regardless, as they cant give powers to some and not others, so i would say it will be all if it does happen, as for IPS, yep that will happen but as munster has said we are only paving the way for the next generation of Reserves.
TylerIE wrote: » I was referring to IP being for some and not all. Training for general increases in powers should be compulsory, IMHO. Those who joined early knew that we were the first Reserves and that the position would evolve. The role needs to progress, and every volunteer whos providing a professional service is required to upskill regularly (e.g. voluntary ambulance services, rescue services and youth workers with child protection). However perhaps the hours could count towards the minimum commitment for those who are short of time.
msg11 wrote: » Good to hear you put an application in, it's a fine long wait. I wouldn't worry about been assaulted this early in your application, sadly it's a very high risk of the job. But I wouldn't let it put you off, the best way is to prevent it happening in the first place. Best of luck with the application !
ZoneAlarm wrote: » Yep i know "but" IP would be rolled out if ever to all, not just the people that want it, i can imaging Gr saying i dont want that, wonder what HR would think of this, you cant have people on two different tiers, you either have it for all or not for anyone.
TheBigLt wrote: » But is that not like saying the full time members who are not qualified to drive patrol cars should be allowed because their qualified colleagues are allowed drive them. Its like going into a specialist unit,if you want it,do the training or whatever is required to get you in and those who don't want it can stay carrying out their normal duties
munster4868 wrote: » The basic element of policing is patroling (on the beat)... Been able to drive a patrol car is a different kettle of fish. If you police and IP is introduced than you patrol! Some Full Time members don't even have a D/L so it would be hard to allow them to drive. All full time members and reserves have two legs....
munster4868 wrote: » Incorrect - Assault of a garda does not come under section 4(3). this is a general act allowing gardai to arrest for a crime that is punishable by way of more than 5 years in prison (an arrestable offence) Impeding or interfering / assaulting falls under a separate act!
TheBigLt wrote: » What act is assault of a garda under?
munster4868 wrote: » All that and other relevant information would be freely available on the internet by using google. I don't like posting act's in general!
TheBigLt wrote: » Ok i think its under Section 19 of the Criminal Justice Act 1994. Regardless its an arrestable offence so a GR should be well within the law to arrest someone in that case.
TheBigLt wrote: » Oh i understand that,but i mean yes they have two legs but full time members spend months on patrol while assigned to a station during training although it is not IP but by then they have most of their powers so they have a lot of experience by the time they graduate. Reserves spend a few hours a week at most on foot patrol with a full time member so they would have to spend extra time on patrol to gain the experience necessary for IP.
