StephenHendry wrote: » couldn't really see how this was going to be a success, the whole thing sounded over ambitious and could well have turned out to be a 'white elephant' , then people would be saying what eejits they were for granting permission in the first place for it to go ahead
k.p.h wrote: » I can't get over this to be honest, I don't know how they would turn down a major part of what is nearly a half billion investment in the country. If they have such a problem with gambling why not shut down the bookies that are on every street corner in the country..! The idea is to attract people to the venue with the popularity of Irish Horse Racing. It's a huge market and the Irish are quite prominent players in the sport. I could go on and on about this but I am just so dumbfounded I would not know where to start. Idiots !!
conorhal wrote: » The only idiots I see are the people that believed there was any chance that this would actually be built. The gambling lobby floated this white elephant with no intention what so ever of building the casino, the real goal was a change in the gaming laws to allow for a super-casino to be built. As soon as those laws changed the Two Mile Borris establishment would vanish faster then a politicians promises after the last ballot had been counted, and you would hear the developers crying about the financial viability of the entire project, how they would have to build a casino but without all the venues and attractions ect. Of course once it all fell apart, there would be immediate submissions to redevelop the idea down in the Dublin Docklands or somewhere near the galway racetrack of course! Good decision in my book.
connorsml wrote: » Was the minister talking specifically about the Tipperary Venue? How does the minister know that the casino element of this project will not be within his definition of modest? Hopefully now we will see if this project is really going to go ahead without the casino, I know they have already said that the hotel would not go ahead without the casino, but it would be great if the equestrian elements went ahead regardless, I imagine they would create the bulk of the temporary employment. There is already a great hotel down the road from here at Horse and Jockey which I have stayed in last week (always packed by the way, no recession in Horse and Jockey for some reason), so perhaps people attending the races could stay there or in some of the hotels in Thurles and Cashel.
humanji wrote: » A resort can still be built and if they feel the need for a casino, isn't there a maximum size of 500 tables allowed? I'd have thought that would be quite a lot.
k.p.h wrote: » It's not viable without the casino, the H&J is not big enough to accommodate the amount necessary to host the equestrian events mentioned (The Breeders Cup was mentioned). No other hotels in the area, well their are but the standard is terrible (check trip advisor to see what I am on about). Tipperary is the central hub of National Hunt Racing and breeding worldwide with the biggest stud in the world Coolmore situated in Fethard (15 min away from proposed venue). It is a multi billion euro industry. Despite this Ireland currently dose not have any world class facilities in regard to Horse Racing and hosting capabilities. The cost of developing such a facility would obviously be huge. Who is going to spend 200m + developing a facility for it to be used only a few times a year without diversifying the business. And who is going to build a facility without also building the necessary infrastructure to make it a success. e.g Hotels The answer was to diversify the business. Hence the proposed events venue, hotel , casino. The proposed project was to be financed by private investors from all around the world, their has been notable mentions of Arab investors (Their is also a few Arab owned stud farms located less than 15 min from the proposed site). The venture was to create 1000 jobs during construction and 2000 after completion. What am I missing here..? Why would anyone say no ..?
humanji wrote: » It was wishful thinking that this would become a top tourist destination when there are so many better locations around Europe..
connorsml wrote: » I am sure there is another way to diversify without a mega casino, if they really want to.
k.p.h wrote: » Planning permission for the events center was turned down .. :rolleyes: Apparently Ireland has enough of those ..??
k.p.h wrote: » Thats such an Irish thing to say "ah they will do it better somewhere else". Why can't we do it here.? I would say it is possible that their is no better location in the world to have it. It's not like the horse racing industry in Ireland is going to up sticks and head to some other country and make it a success somewhere else.
connorsml wrote: » a world class hotel
For Forks Sake wrote: » Where
connorsml wrote: » Yes, 1 in Dublin is plenty, let the rest of the country drive up for the concerts.
connorsml wrote: » Not meaning to be selling the place for them, but I really enjoyed staying there.http://www.horseandjockeyhotel.com/
connorsml wrote: » Horse and Jockey, I have stayed in a lot of hotels, but never anything like that. The executive suite was as big as the house I grew up in.
k.p.h wrote: It's also got top class conferencing facilities and is a major meeting spot for a lot of business. Also all the ground work for the Venue was done their from regular meetings to the press announcements of the proposed development.
My name is URL wrote: » Was the reasoning behind refusing permission solely down to 'protecting young people'? That's the impression I get.. good auld forward thinking Ireland!
latenia wrote: » Take a look into Dr Quirkey's any day of the week and you'll see crying babies in buggies or sitting on their mothers' laps as they feed coins into slot machines, kids under 10 trying to drag their parents away from the machines, people with obvious intellectual disabilties losing their cash, junkies desperately trying to spin up enough money to score, and various other downtrodden outcasts. The people behind this have ZERO ethics.
rebel without a clue wrote: » its ridiculous. the nearest town (2 miles) already has a horse racing track, a dog track, hotels. There is already a georgous hotel only 1 mile from the venue on the motorway too. All this is doing is creating jobs for the construction industry. When its built, up and running for about a year, it'll will die a slow death then. The country is riddled with empty hotels and they're giving panning permission to build more???!!!
latenia wrote: » My name is URL wrote: » Was the reasoning behind refusing permission solely down to 'protecting young people'? That's the impression I get.. good auld forward thinking Ireland! Take a look into Dr Quirkey's any day of the week and you'll see crying babies in buggies or sitting on their mothers' laps as they feed coins into slot machines, kids under 10 trying to drag their parents away from the machines, people with obvious intellectual disabilties losing their cash, junkies desperately trying to spin up enough money to score, and various other downtrodden outcasts. The people behind this have ZERO ethics.
