bath handle wrote: » A judge has no power to direct treatment of anyone in custody. Treatment in custody is a matter for the executive, not the judiciary. When is the High Court case?
Scealta_saol wrote: » Judge Zaidan is a legend! He has an excellent no nonsense approach and has no time for time wasters like this... What exactly did Mr Sutton mean by "Mr. Sutton said he referred to Article 41 of the Irish Constitution, but the Gaelic version of it, not the blue book “masquerading” as the “true text” in all outlets.The document described the fixed penalty system as a “money exchanging facility” and questioned under which authority the District Court was operating, asking if it was under “maritime admiralty” or “common law” jurisdiction." Is this another part of the Freeman thing? That the english version of the constitution doesn't count or something? Were there no Irish speakers in the court? Surely the document doesn't say that it's a money exchanging facility? Or if it does, not in the context of a "money making scheme"?
Victor wrote: » It seems that there are some discrepancies between the two, with the Irish version being more flowery and the English version more legalistic.
derry wrote: » If a Garda saytodo you understand me and you say yes i understand you then your banjaxed What he has said under legalese lingo is do you agree to stand under me . If you say yes I understand you you efffetivily agree you will stand under him This means because you are the people the highest in the system and the Garda are the servants civil servant s and are under you and have to serve you if you agree to stand under your servant the garda you agree that he or she is now higher than you and they now have full control oveer you destiny eg they can now command you to go to jail.If you dont go tthey can now drag you there legealy as you gave away your rights to object SEE SIMPLE THEY TRICKED YOU to give away your rights There is more but you probably wouldnt get it its over your head you trust your servants not to shaft you in the darker parts with thier double speak dont you Derry
derry wrote: » Finnbar01 wrote: » Finally, they've mentioned that if a garda asks you to sign something, underneath where you signature goes, sign 'under duress'??? It's strange altogether. If you sign the form a garda gives you you basiucally can be interpeted to admit quit even if your not guilty or worse your happy with your stay in thier hotel services commonly known a s the jail. They Garda usualy trick you with sign this form to to get your material back such as wallet car keys etc thyey take off you before they lock you up. If you were arrested wronly and you sign that form yopu effecdtivly have signed a form to say that your were happy with the copetate servicews the Garda supplied including the escorting with shackels to a jail soyou cant sue them for hurting you breaking your arms etc If the Garda bends parts that shouldnt bend and force you to sign then put under durress and that makes the contract null and void Simple really the corperate services of the Garda like to cover thier rear ends and trick you intyo signing away your rights If a Garda saytodo you understand me and you say yes i understand you then your banjaxed What he has said under legalese lingo is do you agree to stand under me . If you say yes I understand you you efffetivily agree you will stand under him This means because you are the people the highest in the system and the Garda are the servants civil servant s and are under you and have to serve you if you agree to stand under your servant the garda you agree that he or she is now higher than you and they now have full control oveer you destiny eg they can now command you to go to jail.If you dont go tthey can now drag you there legealy as you gave away your rights to object SEE SIMPLE THEY TRICKED YOU to give away your rights There is more but you probably wouldnt get it its over your head you trust your servants not to shaft you in the darker parts with thier double speak dont you Derry
Finnbar01 wrote: » Finally, they've mentioned that if a garda asks you to sign something, underneath where you signature goes, sign 'under duress'??? It's strange altogether.
derry wrote: » Juges can spout all sorts of non legal crap there is nobody out there to pull them up. So often they wing it invent law on the fly and often invent absolute rubbish law
Contra Proferentem wrote: » violence against law enforcement.http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement
Grolschevik wrote: » Thanks for posting the link to the Southern Poverty Law Center. It's an excellent summary of the origins/bases of these beliefs.
not even wrong wrote: » oh the irony.
derry wrote: » Now we know we have the Irish (British gombeen men ) justice system on the run when they know full well that isn't a legal reply of any sort
derry wrote: » Well in one recent court case we had one of freemen ask correctly civil or criminal to the Judge when questioned on his specific issue The reply came back from the judge hybrid Now we know we have the Irish (British gombeen men ) justice system on the run when they know full well that isn't a legal reply of any sort Derry
ResearchWill wrote: » I think what you are saying but please correct me if I am wrong, that a free man asked the judge was the jurisdiction civil or criminal, to which the judge replied hybrid. Well there are some matters, which I believe could be called hybrid, for example a baring order granted in a civil family case, may lead to a criminal case where breach of same leads to prison. A committal order granted in a court for the non payment of an instalment while civil in nature may lead to a custodial sentence and allows for legal aid, so could be also considered criminal. With out the facts it seems to me maybe the judge was trying to explain a concept. Also why was a freeman asking civil or criminal, I thought they believed the courts only operated a sort of admiralty law.
derry wrote: » If your in front of judge in Ireland he only becomes a judge for commercial courts when there is two commercial entities who have a dispute for which they need a judge to sort out the problem.Until tit is established there is two commercial enmtitites or they trick you to become a commercial entity the case cannot procceed If a case is common law eg murder ,injury ,theft,damage to property the Judge is the judge automatically . So it is the right of a victim in front of a court to request the judge clarifywhich it is civil or criminal If the judge says criminal then the case must be common law and not commercail law If the judge says civil then the human isnt sopposed to be in that court unless he makes himself with the contract system a commesial entity so the judge is not his judge until the Judge can make him a commersial entity Freemen will then often chose methods so as to not to be allowed to be converted into a person and then into a commesail entity The Judges will try every trick possible not to say civil Sorry the Hybrid trick wont wash is my info and shows hows desperate the Judges in ireland running a British legal system are to keep the curtian closed on the magic man behind the curtian in the yellow brick road Ralf
blueythebear wrote: » Can you point to ANY example of where a Freeman SUCCESSFULLY challenged ANY charge in an Irish court? Frustrating the court so that the matter is put back to another date is not a successful outcome.
derry wrote: » If a case is common law eg murder ,injury ,theft,damage to property the Judge is the judge automatically and all he has to do is reply criminal. Ralf
derry wrote: » If your in front of judge in Ireland he only becomes a judge for commercial courts when there is two commercial entities who have a dispute for which they need a judge to sort out the problem.Until tit is established there is two commercial entities or they trick you to become a commercial entity the case cannot procceed
derry wrote: » If a case is common law eg murder ,injury ,theft,damage to property the Judge is the judge automatically and all he has to do is reply criminal.
derry wrote: » So it is the right of a victim in front of a court to request the judge clarify which it is civil or criminal the court he is in If the judge says criminal then the case must be common law and not commercail law If the judge says civil then the human isnt sopposed to be in that court unless he makes himself with the contract system a commesial entity so the judge is not his judge until the Judge can make him a commersial entity Freemen will then often chose methods so as to not to be allowed to be converted into a person and then into a commesail entity The Judges will try every trick possible not to say civil Sorry the Hybrid trick wont wash is my info and shows hows desperate the Judges in ireland running a British legal system are to keep the curtian closed on the magic man behind the curtian in the yellow brick road
derry wrote: » Admiralty law is clearly the major theme in the British law which Ireland follows .The victim is in the DOCK which isbehind the rails which is where the ships rails are and the judge is captian of that ship .
derry wrote: » The victim has been dragged of the high seas (from his house usualy ) and as wayward ship who did something wrong like park on double yellow lines ( he is kept in the dock ) until the restitution is delivered (eg he pays the fine or the time in prision ) The time in prision is classed as the safest place for salvage (the victim is merely salvage from the high seas ) and the cell (battery cell ) extracts energy from the victim( the energy is classed as haviing value in luie of inabilty to pay the fines or replacement of damage the Judge believes has been done )
derry wrote: » The original laws were common law and for the high seas Admiralty law.Then they said well ships dont just use docks on the coast they use docks inland using canals . Admiralty law got spread inland along these routes .Then they said the docks in the city were with warehouses all over the city so the city must be Admiralty law.Eventulay all in the land roads houses the lot became Admiralty law.
derry wrote: » Under Admiralty law the victim is essentialy quity until he proves himself not guilty .
johnnyskeleton wrote: » Well there is no DOCK in Irish law, so you can rest assured that Irish courts are not using Admiralty law. There is an admiral of the four courts who is permitted to birch unsuspecting English tourists who visit Dublin from time to time, but that more because of a misguided sense of nationalism than any retention of British Admiralty law.
Seanbeag1 wrote: » About time they stamped on this freeman bull****
He was however in contempt of court given his back answering to the judge
Jo King wrote: » johnnyskeleton wrote: Well there is no DOCK in Irish law, so you can rest assured that Irish courts are not using Admiralty law. There is an admiral of the four courts who is permitted to birch unsuspecting English tourists who visit Dublin from time to time, but that more because of a misguided sense of nationalism than any retention of British Admiralty law. There is no Admiral of the Four Courts. The position was abolished when the last one retired about three years ago.
johnnyskeleton wrote: Well there is no DOCK in Irish law, so you can rest assured that Irish courts are not using Admiralty law. There is an admiral of the four courts who is permitted to birch unsuspecting English tourists who visit Dublin from time to time, but that more because of a misguided sense of nationalism than any retention of British Admiralty law.
jd wrote: » The direction was to Sutton, not the Prison Service.
Milk & Honey wrote: » Only the Prison service can provide the treatment. How can he have given a direction to Sutton?
In handing down sentence, Judge Zaidan said he would direct Mr Sutton to get “psychiatric treatment as appropriate” while in prison.
shaneybaby wrote: » That he (sutton) should go seek it?
derry wrote: » Admiralty law is clearly the major theme in the British law which Ireland follows .The victim is in the DOCK which isbehind the rails which is where the ships rails are and the judge is captian of that ship .The victim has been dragged of the high seas (from his house usualy ) and as wayward ship who did something wrong like park on double yellow lines ( he is kept in the dock ) until the restitution is delivered (eg he pays the fine or the time in prision ) The time in prision is classed as the safest place for salvage (the victim is merely salvage from the high seas ) and the cell (battery cell ) extracts energy from the victim( the energy is classed as haviing value in luie of inabilty to pay the fines or replacement of damage the Judge believes has been done )
derry wrote: » However the judges can start cases in ireland under local BAR(British accredited Registery ) ... They donmt call the Brits devious for nmothing and ensuring Ireland kept the British legal ssytem meant we are still effectivly part of England except we just fly a different flag but the Irish Judges are only awnserable to the BAR or the QUEEN of England
jd wrote: » I'm just going by what was reported in the newspaper
derry wrote: » If your in front of judge in Ireland he only becomes a judge for commercial courts when there is two commercial entities who have a dispute for which they need a judge to sort out the problem.Until tit is established there is two commercial entities or they trick you to become a commercial entity the case cannot procceed If a case is common law eg murder ,injury ,theft,damage to property the Judge is the judge automatically and all he has to do is reply criminal. So it is the right of a victim in front of a court to request the judge clarify which it is civil or criminal the court he is in If the judge says criminal then the case must be common law and not commercail law If the judge says civil then the human isnt sopposed to be in that court unless he makes himself with the contract system a commesial entity so the judge is not his judge until the Judge can make him a commersial entity Freemen will then often chose methods so as to not to be allowed to be converted into a person and then into a commesail entity The Judges will try every trick possible not to say civil Sorry the Hybrid trick wont wash is my info and shows hows desperate the Judges in ireland running a British legal system are to keep the curtian closed on the magic man behind the curtian in the yellow brick road Admiralty law is clearly the major theme in the British law which Ireland follows .The victim is in the DOCK which isbehind the rails which is where the ships rails are and the judge is captian of that ship .The victim has been dragged of the high seas (from his house usualy ) and as wayward ship who did something wrong like park on double yellow lines ( he is kept in the dock ) until the restitution is delivered (eg he pays the fine or the time in prision ) The time in prision is classed as the safest place for salvage (the victim is merely salvage from the high seas ) and the cell (battery cell ) extracts energy from the victim( the energy is classed as haviing value in luie of inabilty to pay the fines or replacement of damage the Judge believes has been done ) The original laws were common law and for the high seas Admiralty law.Then they said well ships dont just use docks on the coast they use docks inland using canals . Admiralty law got spread inland along these routes .Then they said the docks in the city were with warehouses all over the city so the city must be Admiralty law.Eventulay all in the land roads houses the lot became Admiralty law. However the judges can start cases in ireland under local BAR(British accredited Registery ) bye laws if they want and they often do .At any time they can switch to Admiralty law if the case is commercail or to common law if the case is criminal The abuse of BAR Bye laws allow Judges to steer a way where they can make the case say its criminal be judged under Admiralty law civil laws rules where they can deliver weird and wonderful results they cant so easily do if the case is common law . Under Admiralty law the victim is essentialy quity until he proves himself not guilty .Under common law the victim is innocent until proved guilty .The judges tend to prefer Admiralty law as they have the victim over a barrel . So judges can at any time swich between the Admiralty law BAR bye laws and common law without saying they have and change the goal posts whoile the game is in progress so to speak .They donmt call the Brits devious for nmothing and ensuring Ireland kept the British legal ssytem meant we are still effectivly part of England except we just fly a different flag but the Irish Judges are only awnserable to the BAR or the QUEEN of England Ralf
