John_Mc wrote: » A friend of mine was hired by EI under the DE scheme 2-3 years ago. She spent €100,000 on ATPL with PTC and passed her checkride without any problems. She was on the line and approaching the final line check and under serious pressure. Around that time, EI announced losses of €22m and she got the boot. She spent another 10k on an instructor rating but couldnt land a job with it. She's now on the dole and 110k in the red with her parents home guaranteed against it. These are the stakes people need to consider. I was doing so until I started reading what you get out of this gamble in terms of salary and job security: Practically nothing. Best of luck to those in the next round, you're going to need it even after you get the cadetship
antonov225 wrote: » Hello all. Long time reader, first time poster. Chewits, just for clarifications' sake, are you or are you not accepted into the next round of the scheme? Secondly, can you state one good reason why anyone who has been accepted, and has an interest in the cadetship, should not proceed at this point? Would you not agree that, without knowledge of the complete T&C's, anyone interested should continue? I for one am not in a position to continue if the speculation over financing given over the last few pages turns out to be accurate. That said, we don't know anything for sure yet do we? Therefore I fully intend to continue to the assessments in the Raddison, and, should I be lucky enough to make it all the way through to being offered a position as a cadet, I shall at that point with all the facts and figures laid out in front of me make a decision. Much better to turn down an offer well informed than quit now on hearsay. I would advise all of you with families or who for other reasons financial are considering the viability of continuing to continue anyway, at least until the facts are more concrete. I believe my approach is example of the well thought out and logical decision making process based on information, necessary in my opinion to succeed as a pilot. I believe that those who are put off by your posts were never really meant for this career. My genuine encouragement and the very best of luck to all my competitors. Anto.
Kunny wrote: » XWB - standards were one of the issues with the DEs - they are going to make sure the FTOs maintain high standards for this process
John_Mc wrote: » These are the stakes people need to consider. I was doing so until I started reading what you get out of this gamble in terms of salary and job security: Practically nothing. Best of luck to those in the next round, you're going to need it even after you get the cadetship
happy_head wrote: » Are you saying your not continuing with your application because of the stuff you read here?? If so, then in my opinion you never really wanted it that bad, and you have let the scare-mongorers beat you. You should just wait and see what the t's and c's are!
XWB wrote: » Right issue to look at here... Happy Head - I am using the old conditions to make a rough estimation of the proportion of wages the cadets can earn in relation the the other pilots in Aer Lingus. I have also spoken to accountant in Aer Lingus who told me that they will earn 28-30k a year as a paycheque. Pass rate thing...when I was a cadet they told us we needed 90%+ to pass the ATPLs out right. That then became a 90% average. If you got 60% you were booted but if you got 80% you got a 2nd chance a week later to sit another exam the FTO set you as technically you had passed the JAA exam(pass mark is 75%)..you needed to get 90% in that FTO exam or you were booted. You needed to not fail at CPL and IR. You could partial once but if you partialed twice you were gone. Given that this is only part funded and you are paying yourself this time they may be a little more relaxed with it.
chewits wrote: » I cant imagine EI will be throwing out T&C's until the last possible minute. They will dangle the carrot for as long as they can.
happy_head wrote: » Thanks for clearing up the whole pass rate and check ride issue. Was the previous cadet salary not so low because EI paid for all your training? The reduced salary was a way to get back some of the money they spent on your training. In this case the cadet pays some/all of the training so EI havent invested as much in you and can therefore pay a better salary than that of past cadetships? Just a thought
happy_head wrote: » Was the previous cadet salary not so low because EI paid for all your training? The reduced salary was a way to get back some of the money they spent on your training. In this case the cadet pays some/all of the training so EI havent invested as much in you and can therefore pay a better salary than that of past cadetships? Just a thought
chewits wrote: » So you accept when Extra Wide gives you the same information with "thanks", but nothing when i do. Not feeling the love so im not.
chewits wrote: » I am however involved in Aviation. And have been for the last 5 years.
antonov225 wrote: » I've been using this whole thread as verbal reasoning practice for weeks Filtering through sixty-seven pages of posts looking for the most useful information! I certainly hope those of you through to the next round are aware that we will all be judged on our ability to work together as a functional, coherent unit. To do a bit of speculation of my own, I imagine the 'group exercise' will consist of a problem solving activity in which we use logic and critical thinking to solve said problem based on the facts given. I believe that right now we should all be practicing the above skills, and I see no reason that this thread should not be a place where we can practice logical mental processes. I suggest that members attempt to base their posts on quality constructive content and drag this thread back into the sphere of usefulness. I for one am intrigued by the vagueness of 'an individual problem solving exercise'. Anyone care to comment?
chewits wrote: » I would expect a aircraft technical exam. Basic level to ensure you have an interest. Perhaps some true/false questions. eg Do aircraft use Nitrogen in their tyres?
kona wrote: » What the Control surfaces are, what they do. Theory of flight. Fly By Wire Glass cockpit Instruments etc.
antonov225 wrote: » Really? I had considered that, and of course a good level of technical knowledge would show that you are truly enthusiastic, but I wonder what level of technical knowledge is expected... I would have thought that the exercise would be used more to determine your analytic abilities and as such would be one of those abstract problems you cannot prepare for. I would certainly expect them to have a 'surprise' for this section of the assessment to see how you handle the pressure of an unfamiliar challenge. That said I'm certainly brushing up on my general aviation knowledge.
chewits wrote: » Im sure there would be some red faces if one was asked how is lift created to a would be pilot in an interview situation, and they offered nothing in return but a blank face.
happy_head wrote: » You need to read what you posted and read what XWB posted and have a game of "spot the difference"
chewits wrote: » I am sure it wont do any harm knowing how an aircraft creates lift. Im sure there would be some red faces if one was asked how is lift created to a would be pilot in an interview situation, and they offered nothing in return but a blank face. I think EPIC FAIL is a term used now with the general population.
antonov225 wrote: » XWB very good point, though to be honest I'm not spending the €€€ for a Class 1 until I have to (yes I'm aware it's an insignificant cost in the grand scheme). I have a very active lifestyle with no medical issues and have recent perfect eye and hearing tests so I'm not expecting any trouble there.
XWB wrote: » I'm not saying you're not. But I've heard that before!:D Colour-blindness is the main issues that catches newbies.
chewits wrote: » Antonov AN2, For clarification i did not apply. I am however involved in Aviation. And have been for the last 5 years.
antonov225 wrote: » I'm sure you have. Well, here's hoping. Would I be wrong to assume that someone who spends a lot of time outdoors (triathlon etc.) shouldn't expect any problems? Definitely not colour blind, had that one checked out already because it's such a well known issue!
XWB wrote: » Colour-blindness is the main issues that catches newbies.
