nav[aria-label="Primary Navigation"] { padding: 0; & ul { list-style: none; width: 100%; display: flex; flex-direction: row; justify-content: start; align-items: start; gap: 30px; padding: 0; & li { margin: 0; } & ul li { list-style: none; } } }

Child Item

Average public sector pay in UK is £23.6 k a year - ours is € 48k a year !

gigino

Average public sector pay in our nearest neighbour, a G7 nation ( one of the worlds main economies and one which is helping to finance our IMF package ) is £ 23600 per year - about € 26k. in euro. They are even complaining that that level of public sector pay is too high over there !
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7036131/Record-gap-between-public-and-private-sector-pay.html

Average public sector pay here, after pay cuts, is still high - not far off double, at € 48,000 a year, according to the governments own central statistics office, who should know.

http://www.cso.ie/statistics/public_sector_earnings.htm

As many things are cheaper in this country, and with no residental property tax, cheaper petrol/diesel etc, and cheaper new property prices ( new 2 bedroom apartments can now ne bought in parts of Ireland for less than one years average public sector wage )...what will happen ? Will Heinz the cop in Berlin and Harry the cop in Birmingham continue to subsidise Hector the Guard in Ballyhaunis ?

Find more posts tagged with

Quick Links

Comments

Oafley Jones

Predalien wrote: »

The figures are for 2008, before the pay cut and the pension levy, and the USC.

Ah but this is Gigino, facts like those are an abstract concept that gets in the way his own reality.

Snakeblood

Predalien wrote: »

The figures are for 2008, before the pay cut and the pension levy, and the USC.

It might be worthwhile actually doing the math to find out what 48000 is after the USC etc is deducted.

I would but I'm a product of our broken schools.*

*Actually, I just don't know the figures offhand.

Predalien

meditraitor wrote: »

The same bunch of low paid boards posting public sector numpties will come along and derail the thread,

"oh, thats not true...I get paid 20k and have had my wages dropped by 10k since last year.....my kids cant afford shoes" bla bla bla

The simple fact is that the PS and Civil service are over paid and underperforming when comparing like with like in almost every European country..

The statistc are there but NO, you cannot accuse the PS/CS of being a burden on the country.

As they stand now they are,

Certain public service workers are paid too much, some aren't, I have no problem at all with the pay scales for junior doctors, nurses or pay for most entry level positions, I do have problems with the pay rates that they go up to with experience for some sectors though.

meditraitor

Dudess wrote: »

@meditraitor: what's invalid about saying they get paid 20k when they get paid 20k?

What about the pension, subsidised creches, free car parking, incriments, permanent non sackable job? 20k ps style is like a 30k private sector job....

And there are more earning >40k in the PS than earning <40k...... essentially its rotten to the core.

Dudess

Yes, good perks, but the "averages" constantly quoted are not reflective of reality, however some people lazily overlook them. And the same people are also incapable of telling the difference between a pen-pushing bureaucrat and a guy building a road.

What about the huge numbers of people on temporary contracts too? It's not all "unsackable job for life with lots of perks" stuff, particularly in the last two to three years.

Many public sector/semi-state workers have been outsourced to private companies too, as a cost-cutting measure, and start off on minimum wage.

Bosco boy

meditraitor wrote: »

The same bunch of low paid boards posting public sector numpties will come along and derail the thread,

"oh, thats not true...I get paid 20k and have had my wages dropped by 10k since last year.....my kids cant afford shoes" bla bla bla

The simple fact is that the PS and Civil service are over paid and underperforming when comparing like with like in almost every European country..

The statistc are there but NO, you cannot accuse the PS/CS of being a burden on the country.

As they stand now they are,

I don't know what you work at but I'd safely say you are overpaid if you work in this country in any sector, look in the mirror mate your probally as big a part of the problem than any public sector worker, but of course you won't have the balls to tell us your real occupation.

Lumbo

meditraitor wrote: »

What about the pension, subsidised creches, free car parking, incriments, permanent non sackable job? 20k ps style is like a 30k private sector job....

And there are more earning >40k in the PS than earning <40k...... essentially its rotten to the core.

I need to get myself a car and some kids. I'm missing out on da big money bonanza.

0O7

gigino wrote: »

Average public sector pay in our nearest neighbour, a G7 nation ( one of the worlds main economies and one which is helping to finance our IMF package ) is £ 23600 per year - about € 26k. in euro. They are even complaining that that level of public sector pay is too high over there !
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7036131/Record-gap-between-public-and-private-sector-pay.html

Average public sector pay here, after pay cuts, is still high - not far off double, at € 48,000 a year, according to the governments own central statistics office, who should know.

http://www.cso.ie/statistics/public_sector_earnings.htm

As many things are cheaper in this country, and with no residental property tax, cheaper petrol/diesel etc, and cheaper new property prices ( new 2 bedroom apartments can now ne bought in parts of Ireland for less than one years average public sector wage )...what will happen ? Will Heinz the cop in Berlin and Harry the cop in Birmingham continue to subsidise Hector the Guard in Ballyhaunis ?

how much do you get for doing nothing here?
how much do you get for doing nothing in the uk?

i see that as a bigger problem

miju

gigino wrote: »

As many things are cheaper in this country

Your having a laugh aren't you recent stats showed Ireland is the 5th most expensive country in the EU with the UK alot cheaper than here.

Chart from 2010 is available here which shows us as 6th most expensive (yes thats right despite recession we've somehow gotten more expensive)

Lord TSC

0O7 wrote: »

how much do you get for doing nothing here?
how much do you get for doing nothing in the uk?

i see that as a bigger problem

While I get the point, surely so to must we ask....
What is the average cost of living in Ireland?
What is the average cost of living in England?

Not saying there isn't cheats and scroungers, but its not as simple as comparing two numbers...

meditraitor

Dudess wrote: »

Yes, good perks, but the "averages" constantly quoted are not reflective of reality, but some people lazily overlook them. And same people are also incapable of telling the difference between a pen-pushing bureaucrat and a guy building a road.

And its these people we have here arguing their case, which is not indicative of the PS on the whole, as the figures show....

The PS pay bill has increased by 1bn since 2007 and thats taking into account the basic pay reductions, how is that possible?

meditraitor

Bosco boy wrote: »

I don't know what you work at but I'd safely say you are overpaid if you work in this country in any sector, look in the mirror mate your probally as big a part of the problem than any public sector worker, but of course you won't have the balls to tell us your real occupation.

haha. get back to your desk Ruari before your boss (daddy) comes back from tea break, local council worker is it?

0O7

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

While I get the point, surely so to must we ask....
What is the average cost of living in Ireland?
What is the average cost of living in England?

Not saying there isn't cheats and scroungers, but its not as simple as comparing two numbers...

yes, that is true...
Ireland have higher social weflfare than england because :

Cost of living in ireland is higher.

So that explains why Public service pay in ireland is higher than england... :cool:

Bosco boy

meditraitor wrote: »

Bosco boy wrote: »

I don't know what you work at but I'd safely say you are overpaid if you work in this country in any sector, look in the mirror mate your probally as big a part of the problem than any public sector worker, but of course you won't have the balls to tell us your real occupation.

haha. get back to your desk Ruari before your boss (daddy) comes back from tea break, local council worker is it?

I rest my case, you haven't the balls to answer the question. Hide behind your computer Ross from D4

Tazio

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

So how much more does the Irish private sector worker make compared to the same job in England?People like to quote the public sector figures, but never seem to compare the private ones?

I work for a US multinational...aka private sector.

I have targets to meet. If my position does NOT contribute to profits I'm unemployed. The end.

I have to prove myself to get a pay rise (if any).

My weekly hours of work depend on workload. (No overtime).

I don't have a national union batting for me.

In the last 6 years my department has fallen from 9 to 3. Guess who picked up the workload.

This is typical of private sector positions (in my circle of friends and family).

I'm not.complaining.. stuff happens. I'm prepared to work on for my families sake etc... But it makes me sick to be faced with more tax rises to pay for certain people on a jolly in state positions. I have cousins and one in law relative working in HSE cork and.to here them rant on about entitlements and tea breaks while boasting about watching the Late Late show on RTE realplayer while supposed to be processing patients data just make me want to puke.

If some.or all of my tax is paying their easy lifestyle then yes I would question state salaries and rates (as a voter)...

EDIT: I appreciate there are good/bad in all.walks of.life. I have had excellent.experiences with Gardai and hospital staff, tax office etc...

Oafley Jones

I've a serious problem with the likes of mediatrator and gigino The arguments put forward are in my mind no different that what fueled the exuberance of the celtic tiger in the first place i.e. Lazy, irrational emotional reactions based on figures/data without proper context. There's no critical analysis, no logic, no sense just frothing and general soap boxing. It's anti-thought and completely worthless.

[Deleted User]

I have a fantastic idea what about a forum for all the people with a fetish about the public service, with added sub forums for the people that start their posts with something like ' my friends cousin step brothers is in the ESB and he has ten washing machines and he's doing all his extended families washing because he gets free electricity and he's paid 150k a year with ten weeks holiday and that a fact' It would sure improve the Irish economy forum if the ' I am obsessed with the public services and believe everything I read in the daily mail' type of thread were removed to their own forum.

0O7

Tazio wrote: »

I work for a US multinational...aka private sector.

I have targets to meet. If my position does NOT contribute to profits I'm unemployed. The end.

I have to prove myself to get a pay rise (if any).

My weekly hours of work depend on workload. (No overtime).

I don't have a national union batting for me.

In the last 6 years my department has fallen from 9 to 3. Guess who picked up the workload.

This is typical of private sector positions (in my circle of friends and family).

I'm not.complaining.. stuff happens. I'm prepared to work on for my families sake etc... But it makes me sick to be faced with more tax rises to pay for certain people on a jolly in state positions. I have cousins and one in law relative working in HSE cork and.to here them rant on about entitlements and tea breaks while boasting about watching the Late Late show on RTE realplayer while supposed to be processing patients data just make me want to puke.

If some.or all of my tax is paying their easy lifestyle then yes I would question state salaries and rates (as a voter)...

But it was your choice to work in private sector when the economy was booming....
when the private sector was getting paid much higher that public

when there was 9 in your dept (that obsiously wernt needed (if 3 can do it now)

why dont you have a national union??? (Gardai dont have a national union)

You dont have overtime? Most public service jobs now dont have over time.

Public Service workers taxes also went up... that wasnt just private sector.

I think maybe your cousin just got lucky with a handy number. Its his own fault / Negligence if he is not doing his work and watching the late late show. nothing to do with him being a public sector worker.

I appreciate that it angers you. im public sector, Id also be fairly pissed off if i was waiting in the hospital while they staff watch the late late show...

meditraitor

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I've a serious problem with the likes of mediatrator and gigino The arguments put forward are in my mind no different that what fueled the exuberance of the celtic tiger in the first place i.e. Lazy, irrational emotional reactions based on figures/data without proper context. There's no critical analysis, no logic, no sense just frothing and general soap boxing. It's anti-thought and completely worthless.

A post that describes itself, funny.

Blazer

mariaalice wrote: »

I have a fantastic idea what about a forum for all the people with a fetish about the public service, with added sub forums for the people that start their posts with something like ' my friends cousin step brothers is in the ESB and he has ten washing machines and he's doing all his extended families washing because he gets free electricity and he's paid 150k a year with ten weeks holiday and that a fact' It would sure improve the Irish economy forum if the ' I am obsessed with the public services and believe everything I read in the daily mail' type of thread were removed to their own forum.

you mean that ESB workers aren't getting discounted electricity?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/sparks-fly-over-free-electricity-for-all-esb-staff-2443002.html

ESB workers on >€80k a year?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/revealed-a-startling-array-of-perks-on-offer-for-esb-staff-2865781.html

But you go ahead and exaggerate the claims to make them look as false as possible

Everyone knows that the public sector are draining the country dry as well as the social welfare crowd. But don't worry...both your days are coming to an end soon.
Once Greece defaults and Ireland can't borrow from the markets in 2013 you can bet your ass the EU/IMF will have ye next in their sights.

Tazio

0O7 wrote: »

Tazio wrote: »

I work for a US multinational...aka private sector.

I have targets to meet. If my position does NOT contribute to profits I'm unemployed. The end.

I have to prove myself to get a pay rise (if any).

My weekly hours of work depend on workload. (No overtime).

I don't have a national union batting for me.

In the last 6 years my department has fallen from 9 to 3. Guess who picked up the workload.

This is typical of private sector positions (in my circle of friends and family).

I'm not.complaining.. stuff happens. I'm prepared to work on for my families sake etc... But it makes me sick to be faced with more tax rises to pay for certain people on a jolly in state positions. I have cousins and one in law relative working in HSE cork and.to here them rant on about entitlements and tea breaks while boasting about watching the Late Late show on RTE realplayer while supposed to be processing patients data just make me want to puke.

If some.or all of my tax is paying their easy lifestyle then yes I would question state salaries and rates (as a voter)...

But it was your choice to work in private sector when the economy was booming....
when the private sector was getting paid much higher that public

when there was 9 in your dept (that obsiously wernt needed (if 3 can do it now)

why dont you have a national union??? (Gardai dont have a national union)

You dont have overtime? Most public service jobs now dont have over time.

Public Service workers taxes also went up... that wasnt just private sector.

I think maybe your cousin just got lucky with a handy number. Its his own fault / Negligence if he is not doing his work and watching the late late show. nothing to do with him being a public sector worker.

I appreciate that it angers you. im public sector, Id also be fairly pissed off if i was waiting in the hospital while they staff watch the late late show...

Hi yes valid points... I agree I regret not going for ESB years ago... (I'm an engineer)... But that's the decision I made etc... Fair enough...

It's just its difficult to listen to someone boast about slacking off on taxpayers back. If they can watch tv for half a shift then are there too many resources? Etc I know.that wounldnt happen in any of the companies.

I guess to be fair everyone just wants to have a job to provide for families.

The few people I know.with state jobs here in cork I would love them.to work in my company for one week!!

Cheers T

[Deleted User]

Sc@recrow wrote: »

you mean that ESB workers aren't getting discounted electricity?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/sparks-fly-over-free-electricity-for-all-esb-staff-2443002.html

ESB workers on >€80k a year?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/revealed-a-startling-array-of-perks-on-offer-for-esb-staff-2865781.html

But you go ahead and exaggerate the claims to make them look as false as possible
Everyone knows that the public sector are draining the country dry as well as the social welfare crowd. But don't worry...both your days are coming to an end soon.
Once Greece defaults and Ireland can't borrow from the markets in 2013 you can bet your ass the EU/IMF will have ye next in their sights.

:D Draining the country dry, how is that?

Next in their sights, are they bringing in snipers?
would a few public executions for those nasty dirty public servants cheer you up?

0O7

Tazio wrote: »

Hi yes valid points... I agree I regret not going for ESB years ago... (I'm an engineer)... But that's the decision I made etc... Fair enough...

It's just its difficult to listen to someone boast about slacking off on taxpayers back. If they can watch tv for half a shift then are there too many resources? Etc I know.that wounldnt happen in any of the companies.

I guess to be fair everyone just wants to have a job to provide for families.

The few people I know.with state jobs here in cork I would love them.to work in my company for one week!!

Cheers T

ya, i know what you mean. In every job tho, public or private you will have somebody who can will slack off and take advantage of the situation.

Its like that Aib sude (cant remmeber his name) getting a golden handshake of 3million... dont think that happens with everyone tho!

[Deleted User]

Tazio wrote: »

The few people I know.with state jobs here in cork I would love them.to work in my company for one week!!
Cheers T

Are they engineers too, otherwise why would you expect them to do your job?

cosmicfart

what a pointless 'finger pointing' thread.

[Deleted User]

By the way I do think people have a point sometimes about the public services, but they do themselves no favours when their post is make up of lazy generalizations, hear say, and things they have read in the daily mail or the independent.

By the way do you know what befit in kind is.

Bosco boy

Sc@recrow wrote: »

mariaalice wrote: »

I have a fantastic idea what about a forum for all the people with a fetish about the public service, with added sub forums for the people that start their posts with something like ' my friends cousin step brothers is in the ESB and he has ten washing machines and he's doing all his extended families washing because he gets free electricity and he's paid 150k a year with ten weeks holiday and that a fact' It would sure improve the Irish economy forum if the ' I am obsessed with the public services and believe everything I read in the daily mail' type of thread were removed to their own forum.

you mean that ESB workers aren't getting discounted electricity?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/sparks-fly-over-free-electricity-for-all-esb-staff-2443002.html

ESB workers on >€80k a year?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/revealed-a-startling-array-of-perks-on-offer-for-esb-staff-2865781.html

But you go ahead and exaggerate the claims to make them look as false as possible
Everyone knows that the public sector are draining the country dry as well as the social welfare crowd. But don't worry...both your days are coming to an end soon.
Once Greece defaults and Ireland can't borrow from the markets in 2013 you can bet your ass the EU/IMF will have ye next in their sights.

Is that private sector speculation again!!!

meditraitor

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

:D Draining the country dry, how is that?

Next in their sights, are they bringing in snipers?
would a few public executions for those nasty dirty public servants cheer you up?

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Are they engineers too, otherwise why would you expect them to do your job?

Bosco boy wrote: »

Is that private sector speculation again!!!

mariaalice wrote: »

By the way I do think people have a point sometimes about the public services, but they do themselves no favours when their post is make up of lazy generalizations, hear say, and things they have read in the daily mail or the independent.

By the way do you know what befit in kind is.

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I've a serious problem with the likes of mediatrator and gigino The arguments put forward are in my mind no different that what fueled the exuberance of the celtic tiger in the first place i.e. Lazy, irrational emotional reactions based on figures/data without proper context. There's no critical analysis, no logic, no sense just frothing and general soap boxing. It's anti-thought and completely worthless.

mariaalice wrote: »

I have a fantastic idea what about a forum for all the people with a fetish about the public service, with added sub forums for the people that start their posts with something like ' my friends cousin step brothers is in the ESB and he has ten washing machines and he's doing all his extended families washing because he gets free electricity and he's paid 150k a year with ten weeks holiday and that a fact' It would sure improve the Irish economy forum if the ' I am obsessed with the public services and believe everything I read in the daily mail' type of thread were removed to their own forum.

This is the standard PS derailing the thread tactic, you talk about generalising and not having any facts but continually offer nothing but empty rebutals and semi abusive nonesense in reply to the concerns of JOe Public.

The public sector pay bill has increased by €1bn euro since 2007,

Take into account the pay reductions and the recruitment freeze and you have a small little puzzle..... realise people within the PS are getting paid more?

€250m in incrimental increases last year alone

As yourself and some others on this thread are lothe to explain, the poor public sector worker should not have to put up with any type of criticism

Please explain how this could happen?

The facts are this,
The public purse is empty and pay costs in the public sector are increasing!

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/euro1bn-pay-rise-bonanza-for-public-sector-2586377.html

Public sector workers have received more than €1bn in incremental pay increases since Ireland's worst ever recession began in 2007, despite the dire state of the public finances.

Figures released by the Department of Finance show that although the country has had to borrow roughly €20bn a year to run the State since 2008, length-of-service pay increases have continued across all departments, agencies and organisations in the public sector.

The perception of a pay freeze and the pension levy hitting public sector workers stands in stark contrast to the reality of State employees in permanent, pensionable jobs. They are still seeing their gross salaries increase because the Government is allowing them to receive increased pay purely on the basis of time served.

Jim Power, chief economist with Friends First, said: "It's a disgrace -- given that the private sector has borne the brunt of the recession in terms of pay cuts and, more importantly, job losses -- that these top-up payments have continued. It's nuts when you see the meltdown in the public finances, and hopefully the new Government will deal with this issue. It shows clearly how the unions have been running this country for the past 10 years and still are."

The public sector pay bill in 2010 was €15.1bn, and new figures released last week showed that state employees earn one-third more than their private sector counterparts.

According to a new Central Statistics Office report on wages, weekly earnings in the public sector rose from a three-year low of €882 a week in the first quarter of 2010 to €913 in the final quarter. In contrast, in the final quarter of 2010, weekly earnings in the private sector were almost a third lower at €625.

Ireland's public sector pay structure is substantially higher than most other European countries and, on average, one-third higher than public sector workers in Britain. Latest comparable figures show that average British public service weekly earnings were €634 compared with the €913 paid to State employees here.

Some civil servants at the top of their respective pay scales are getting wage rises of €2,400 for long service. The previous government shied away from further angering public sector workers already reeling from pension and income levy increases.

A sample survey across a range of departments shows an average payout of €2,345 for the civil servants entitled to the long-service payments. The pay scales in the public sector see most workers go up the scale each year, meaning their gross salary increases on an annual basis.

Former Finance Minister Brian Lenihan repeatedly refused to impose a freeze on such incremental payments, on the grounds that it would impact on lower grade workers unfairly.

A spokesman from the Department of Finance explained: "Suspending increments would have an uneven impact and would disproportionately affect lower-paid staff. Higher-paid public service grades have, in general, significantly shorter incremental scales than lower-paid staff and, consequently, more of them are at the maximum of scales. Some higher-paid grades do not have incremental scales at all and their salaries are single points."

It must also be remembered that cuts of up to 14 per cent have been inflicted upon public sector workers, the spokesman added.

Before entering office, several Fine Gael ministers. including Leo Varadkar and Richard Bruton, called on the incremental pay increases to be frozen as long as the country remains in recession. A Fine Gael source said last night that the views of the party had not changed.

Given the arrival of the IMF last November and the change of government, new Public Expenditure and Reform Minister Brendan Howlin is set to come under significant pressure to end the practice as part of any reform process.

The Department of Finance confirmed €250m was spent on salary increments in the public sector last year.

Blazer

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

:D Draining the country dry, how is that?

Next in their sights, are they bringing in snipers?
would a few public executions for those nasty dirty public servants cheer you up?

Seriously? We can't pay the PS/Social welfare....we've actually borrowed money to do it....even if we hadn't to bail out the banks we'd still have to borrow/rob the money to pay for both.
What do you think the IMF/EU will tell the government in 2013 when we look to borrow money again as the markets are too dear for us??
Or do you believe everything is rosy and that the good old life in the PS is going to last for ever?
As I keep telling people/coworkers...nothing lasts forever

[Deleted User]

meditraitor wrote: »

This is the standard PS derailing the thread tactic, you talk about generalising and not having any facts but continually offer nothing but empty rebutals and semi abusive nonesense in reply to the concerns of JOe Public.

What how was i abusive, even semi so?