chewits wrote: » Demanding i would have thought. And its one thing that every airline or anyone who operates an aircraft looks out for. is that the pilot should not be demanding. Demanding pilots lead to accidents.
kiwster wrote: » Absolutely, way too much speculation. I am in the same boat. I am probably 200k in negative equity at the minute so no real chance of saving the money to do the integrated training, but I have the advantage of not being married, no kids, experience from a few years working in s/w industry which I believe could be very relevant. I am quite the aviation nerd and being a pilot would be a dream come true. However, I also have to be a realist. I am going to go to the next phase with a sound head on my shoulders, do the best I can and if I don't get through at least I'll know I gave it my best shot and lost nothing in the process. If I do get through then I'll figure the financials out somehow, (and I don't have rich parents). What I'm not going to do is give up now because I don't have 100k available to me and base it on what some people on this forum are saying.
Tightwad wrote: » I am going to take a sit back, watch and chuckle approach to this thread for a wee while. That’s just too much speculation for me to entertain. I will be going to stage 3 to find out the hard facts, nothing said on this forum will change that! Even though financially i am not in a position to pay the entire training costs.
XWB wrote: » When the Training dept thought this up after the DE scheme in November it seemed like the solution to all their problems but it has gone tits up now for many reasons and it is back to how it was. Rich kids paying for training and getting..like the DE. It is a sad fact that cadetships are dead...to be a pilot you must have the money to train..it's that simple..
shamrock421 wrote: » I am a private pilot who was on a fully sponsored cadetship with european airline a few years ago but was let go due to the airline not having the funds to pay for our training anymore. Only those with wealthy parents where kept on! I then spent 2 years with aer arann working as an operations officer and was let go and again because of the downturn. I am on the dole and have been praying for a leg up. Is that to much ask. I feel bitter becuase once again aerlingus will recruit those who have the cash rather than the passion if you get my point. It has been my dream since I was a young boy to fly for aerlingus. Fly Irish people to there destinations with a sense of Irish pride. The same feeling you get when wearing your county jersey in croke park. Looking at things now, it is most likely I wont see the right hand seat of a commercial aeroplane until my 30's due to the lenght it will take me to save up and go modular. Again, this should have been advertsied as an mentorship from day 1.
chewits wrote: » If anyone thought they were getting their training paid for them will show up at the interview that they haven't a ****ing clue about aviation or being a pilot and just seen an advisement in the paper.
Railjon wrote: » Smart I would have thought..
chewits wrote: » How do you think you will come across in the interview demanding hard figures across a table?
shamrock421 wrote: » I dont need to hear anymore, I havent a chance of flying the Irish flag for my country and its tourism industry now I'm sure Nigels dad will pay for his training though. Another dream slashed
shamrock421 wrote: » Where would you get the money? Honestly ! Irish banks are gone to f***. This really should have been advertised as a "mentorship" and not a "cadetship". Thanks XWB, I'll go and have a look at the next stage if I can but if it is self funded than I am out. At a push, the most I'd get from a bank would be mabey €2,000 and mabey get another thousand or 2 of family so I havent a chance of getting 100 odd grand. No way hose
787Dreamliner wrote: » im sure if you really wanted it you would find the money.. i know thats easyer said then done but there is always way's and means of getting it. i know if i got offered a place i would find the money somewhere, and dont think i mean that daddy would pay for it cos dat would not be happening. but i would make sure i would get the money.:cool:
XWB wrote: » You get my point though. You are in the Airline 1st, and train to be a pilot 2nd. The 90% pass mark was around when I was a cadet..however if this is funded by the cadet I would guess the mark may be 80% or maybe even the 75%. They set a high mark in the past because it was their money training you not yours. It was an odd situation with that actually. If you scored over 75 you passed in the eyes of the JAA and that was on your record...but Aer Lingus made you resit and FTO exam if it was below 90. You had 3 chances and then you were booted. However if you scored exactly 75 in the 1st ones you had it down as passed on your record and could move on to the next ones in your own time if you were booted. Shamrock - Go forward as far as you can...until you cannot go further...atleast say you tried! Dreamliner - I honestly have no idea. They may have more or may call more if the current "callees" fall short. What I'd like to know is what they will do if not many have the dosh to pay for the cadetship...and let's face it...thats could easily happen!
chewits wrote: » Except you wont get the job first. You wont get a contract. You will be sent to FTE with a view of then going on to EI after you have finished. This of course will all depend on your performance @ FTE. I'd imagine all first time passes with at least 90% if not 95% ATPL passes.
XWB wrote: » Look the financial matters here are simple. A cadet and a DE applicant will be in the same financial boat! My guess is that Aer Lingus have a bank who are willing to lend to their cadets and long as the cadet has a security against the loan. I earlier stated Aer Lingus would guarantee it, but it seems that in consultation Aer Lingus's accountants they were told the company could not hold a 2,000,000+ liability like that on the books. So you will have to have your own security for the loan....soo....not such a golden ticket moneywise. It is now the same as doing an integrated course in FTE off your own bat from the financial end of it. You are basically doing a DE scheme but you get the job 1st and do the training second. My sources have said more or less that if you cannot afford to go DE, you will have difficulty paying the cadetship fees. If that is the case...given Ireland's current financial bother...there could be carnage selection wise over this...
shamrock421 wrote: » The only problem I have is im a young irish male in his early 20's living on the dole with my bank balance in the not so sunny side of -€0.00! I just wish the fecking thing would be sponsored. I'd sign a 30 year bond if I had to if it was sponsored! Id scrub the hanger floor with a tooth brush for 12 months 7 days a week if it meant the CPL and IR training was sponsored!
chewits wrote: » No way man. It will be part sponsored. Like the old fashioned way of getting your type rating paid for. Do you think EI are going to be giving out the guts of £100k to approx 10/20 lads. Thats not how this business operates anymore. P.S. Be thankful a company is even considering paying your type rating. Go have a look on what FR stance is on it.
shamrock421 wrote: » In that case, I wont even bother attending stage 3 if I get called! I was really hoping this would be sponsored
J21finn wrote: » Amen to that!!!!! Been sitting here all day hopeing for an email to come and then this goes up !!!! Not cool :-( ....
chewits wrote: » But do not be mistaken. You will have to pay for your training yourself.
