United States of Europe Confirmed By Germans

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt - shame when people refuse to acknowledge inconsistencies that cause great inconvenience to their preferred world view.

As far as I'm aware, it's not a river in Egypt at all. You may be getting confused with the river Nile though.

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Brilliant. I can't help feeling you haven't thought your objection through. Can you imagine the misery of living in an Ireland run as well as Germany? The horror of efficient health and transport systems? The competent politicians and local government? The sickening financial stability? The reasonably cost of living?

My BLOOD RUNS COLD. :eek:

Like Ireland would be such an important cog in the wheel of Europe, we would be the equivalent of Tennessee in the U.S. of A.

tfitzgerald

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt

Lol ! Germany lost the war but it looks like they are winning the peace so here's to the fourth Reich

Procasinator

Thread title should be changed too:

"Former German Chancellor gives Opinion"

His opinion may be interesting, but to say it confirms an official stance of Germany is nonsense. Would be like if Micheál Martin gave an interview about a wish he had for the future of Ireland; we wouldn't be saying "Ireland confirms ..." then, would we.

CrackisWhack wrote: »

Well he is a former Chancellor of the largest economy in Europe?

So he used to be one. Right. That makes a difference.

I used to be the most powerful man in the world. Back then my proclamations carried a lot of weight. Now as I am no longer the most powerful man in the world, my proclamations sound more like opinions.

My name is URL

Can any of the fervent supporters of the idea give a brief outline of how exactly a federalised Europe would help a nation such as Ireland?

Sykk

minidazzler wrote: »

I don't just not mid it, I'm pretty supportive of it. We are incapable of electing a good government for ourselves.

+1.

I've said this years ago. Germany and France are two of the only countries that actually know how to run a country. They don't elect bloody school teachers or people without relevant expertise & qualifications..

I'd love to let them in here to have a look at our shít health, transport and educations system. They'd soon have the place running properly IMO.

Biggins

Procasinator wrote: »

Thread title should be changed too:

"Former German Chancellor gives Opinion"

His opinion may be interesting, but to say it confirms an official stance of Germany would be like if Micheál Martin gave an interview about a wish he had for the future of Ireland.

For me, the most import bit is the following - something some seemed to have skipped over a bit too quickly to grasp implications:

Schroeder, who nurtured a close relationship with France during his leadership, welcomed an initiative launched by German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy to move toward a fiscal union in 2012.

So we have Schroeder to is bearing a same line of thinking as the current present lot in Germany and France - all thinking alike - and possibly planning for the future towards it and/or how to make it happen!

Procasinator wrote: »

Thread title should be changed too:

"Former German Chancellor gives Opinion"

His opinion may be interesting, but to say it confirms an official stance of Germany would be like if Micheál Martin gave an interview about a wish he had for the future of Ireland.

Of course it's not an official stance, however he spent time in power in Germany (while they were in the EU, when all these agendas & plans we're being drawn up) and I'm sure he's very clued in to their current political plans.

Snakeblood wrote: »

So he used to be one. Right. That makes a difference.

I used to be the most powerful man in the world. Back then my proclamations carried a lot of weight. Now as I am no longer the most powerful man in the world, my proclamations sound more like opinions.

:pac:

Are you comparing yourself to the last chancellor of Germany to validate your point? Doesn't work really.

Conspiracy theory board tbh.

My name is URL wrote: »

Can any of the fervent supporters of the idea give a brief outline of how exactly a federalised Europe would help a nation such as Ireland?

I'm assuming robot power suits for all until I'm told different.

[Deleted User]

Godwined right from the start!
But anyway, I used to be in favour of a more united Europe of equal partners, but now it's clear that any union will be very unequal with Germany (financially) in the driving seat. They,re desperatly trying to recover all the money their population has been saving and was squandered by their banks on get rich schemes when they overlent to other European countries like Ireland.

It's broke, why does Germany want to tie itself to the sinking Greeks, they'll get pulled down quicker than if they cut loose.

CrackisWhack wrote: »

:pac:

Are you comparing yourself to the last chancellor of Germany to validate your point? Doesn't work really.

No, I'm explaining the difference between a currently powerful person and a person who used to be powerful. It appears to be lost on the OP.

Sykk

Procasinator wrote: »

Thread title should be changed too:

"Former German Chancellor gives Opinion"

His opinion may be interesting, but to say it confirms an official stance of Germany is nonsense. Would be like if Micheál Martin gave an interview about a wish he had for the future of Ireland; we wouldn't be saying "Ireland confirms ..." then, would we.

Schroeder, who nurtured a close relationship with France during his leadership, welcomed an initiative launched by German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy to move toward a fiscal union in 2012.

Their proposal, which would mean giving up sovereignty over budgetary policies with the aim to shore up the 17-nation currency union, has received a lukewarm response from other euro zone countries.

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Deleted User wrote: »

Godwined right from the start!
But anyway, I used to be in favour of a more united Europe of equal partners, but now it's clear that any union will be very unequal with Germany (financially) in the driving seat. They,re desperatly trying to recover all the money their population has been saving and was squandered by their banks on get rich schemes when they overlent to other European countries like Ireland.

It's broke, why does Germany want to tie itself to the sinking Greeks, they'll get pulled down quicker than if they cut loose.

I was reading an interview about that with a current Dutch politician. The problem is once you start cutting one loose, you probably keep cutting, because it gets easier once the first is done, then any country that hits difficulty gets cut loose, defeating the purpose of having a union.

saywhatyousee

Liam Byrne wrote: »

as long as they ditched their own agenda and actually worked for the good of everyone.

How likely do you think that is ?

Biggins

saywhatyousee wrote: »

How likely do you think that is ?

Just as likely and soon as Hell freezes and Lord Lucan returns to life on Shergar, riding up O'Connell street.

Their proposal, which would mean giving up sovereignty over budgetary policies with the aim to shore up the 17-nation currency union, has received a lukewarm response from other euro zone countries.

I'm still hoping for more information on the River Denial in Egypt. Can't find it in Wikipedia.

UsernameInUse

From the way this thread is going, it's clear to see we're a nation of re-actives.

"Good for us blah blah, look at our education, health...can't run our country". These are the same people that'll be complaining when the taxes are spread right across the board and our American companies flee to Germany and France; the same people who will lose jobs to the Big Boys in Europe while little oul Ireland is thrown into the Atlantic, no local governments to listen to your cries. LMAO

Pearce and the men and women that fought for independence are turning in their graves.

Anita Blow

Definitely voting no to this if we're asked.
Just because some people think we're "incapable" of governing ourselves doesn't mean the right should be taken away from us.
My vote in an election among 4.5 million others carries far more weight than my vote among 500 million others.

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Pearce and the men and women that fought for independence are turning in their graves.

'Pearse'

UsernameInUse

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Conspiracy theory board tbh.

This is a statement from a high ranking official in the E.U with regards to where Europe is heading being reported by Reuters and you want this thread in the Conspiracy Forum? LOL....you're a joke.

hooradiation

UsernameInUse wrote: »

This is a statement from a high ranking official in the E.U with regards to where Europe is heading being reported by Reuters and you want this thread in the Conspiracy Forum? LOL....you're a joke.

This part isn't true.

To the people thinking the Germans will come in on their white horse & steady the ship, improve our healthcare etc.

Honestly, do you think they give a sh*t about whats good for Ireland? All they care about is their electorate & whats good for Germany.

UsernameInUse wrote: »

From the way this thread is going, it's clear to see we're a nation of re-actives.

What is a 're-active'?

Sorry if the level of hysteria you hoped to whip up isn't materialising though.

UsernameInUse wrote: »

"Good for us blah blah, look at our education, health...can't run our country". These are the same people that'll be complaining when the taxes are spread right across the board and our American companies flee to Germany and France; the same people who will lose jobs to the Big Boys in Europe while little oul Ireland is thrown into the Atlantic, no local governments to listen to your cries. LMAO

Uh, yes. You laugh your ass off there. We're already way ahead of you to be honest.

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Pearce and the men and women that fought for independence are turning in their graves.

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Samuel Johnson.

CrackisWhack wrote: »

To the people thinking the Germans will come in on their white horse & steady the ship, improve our healthcare etc.

Honestly, do you think they give a sh*t about whats good for Ireland? All they care about is their electorate & whats good for Germany.

Do you honestly think any Irish politician gives a **** about what's good for Ireland? Do you think any Irish citizen does? given the last few electoral results, what the irish people care about is 'I'm all right Jack'.

I'd rather we had a government with a track record of success. If we could give the whole thing over to the Germans, I'd thank them.

Anita Blow wrote: »

Definitely voting no to this if we're asked.
Just because some people think we're "incapable" of governing ourselves doesn't mean the right should be taken away from us.
My vote in an election among 4.5 million others carries far more weight than my vote among 500 million others.

+1 and with what little voting power we actually have in Europe i wouldn't trust our inept school teachers politicians to be able to cut us a good deal in Europe.