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Why are young Irish women so rude in bars/clubs?

jameshealy19

Went out last night with several mates, we approached several Irish women for a chat, (none of us were drunk) and all we ended up getting was really harsh put-downs within the first 10secs. A woman has no rational reason to put a man down like that so fast. Where is the respect and manners amongst Irish girls these days?

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py2006

flutterflye wrote: »

My single female friends approach guys if the wish to speak to them.
So do most girls I know.
It's only 'expected' in your head me thinks.

I am talking about society in general. That why on a night out guys for the most part will be doing the approaching. But yes there are girls that will do it too.

But a guy that sits there is not going to get the girl.

jameshealy19

Miss Olenska wrote: »

And where would one find this statistical analysis or it exclusively anecdotal?

we'll do some random sampling

Cill Dara Abu

Siuin wrote: »

Indeed, and I'm proud to be one of them. My bf was born in the FSU and I love him to bits. It's ridiculous the amount of threads on AH where idiotic mass generalisations are made against all Irish women. FFS they need to get a life. Had a bad experience? Tough luck. If you prefer foreign women, there aren't going to be any Irish ladies crying into their hankies over you.

Do women use hankies?

Never seen that before.

booboo88

Sonics2k wrote: »

Tease! :pac:

Down boy

cofy

jameshealy19 wrote: »

there is a certain attitude that Irish women have and in most cases its completely unjustified.
So many lads I know all say that girls in other countries are far more approachable, and I'm one of those lads who has lived overseas, and I have met and been with some really kind attractive kind foreign women.

Does everyone remember Breffiny Morgan from the Apprentice?
he was once on the Late Late talking about courtship in IReland. He said the difference between Irish girls and those in the US, is that in Eire the girls will look at you and say 'go away from me!' while the Yanks, even though they wouldn't be interested in you would have the banter, introduce you to their friends.

Do Irish women every wonder why more Irish men are dating foreign girls?
You don't see too many Polish or Czech lads dating Irish women, maybe because they're content with their own girls.

Also why the heck don't the Irish have a dating culture. Having dinner with someone in London is about the same texting a girl here.

Irish girls in general would want to liven the fu ck up.

And you wonder why you were rebuffed.

flutterflye

py2006 wrote: »

I am talking about society in general. That why on a night out guys for the most part will be doing the approaching. But yes there are girls that will do it too.

But a guy that sits there is not going to get the girl.

I personally would prefer a guy that 'sits there doing nothing', than leering all over me.

I too was talking about society in general.
I see both guys and girls approaching each other all the time.
Don't know what you're talking about tbh.

Logical Fallacy

Young people are rude in bars and clubs because

1) They are young.
2) They are people.
3) They are drunk.

Simples.

py2006

flutterflye wrote: »

I too was talking about society in general.
I see both guys and girls approaching each other all the time.
Don't know what you're talking about tbh.

Oh please, are you serious? You don't know what I am talking about??

So women have always asked them men out, to marry them, to dance etc etc etc. That it has never been seen as the mens role?

Its only relatively recently that you will see women asking men out!

Wow!

Miss Olenska

Another thing is, why not try and approach mid to late twenties women, less likely to be eejits?

py2006

Miss Olenska wrote: »

Another thing is, why not try and approach mid to late twenties women, less likely to be eejits?

That is true, they usually loose the attitude with maturity.

booboo88

py2006 wrote: »

Oh please, are you serious? You don't know what I am talking about??

So women have always asked them men out, to marry them, to dance etc etc etc. That it has never been seen as the mens role?

Its only relatively recently that you will see women asking men out!

Wow!

It all depends on your approach, if your offering a night cap in your place, no thanks, if your offering conversation coolaboola.
Problem is, the more alcohol the more your arsehole radar fades so you just dont bother

Kimia

Women can't win.

If they tell you straight away they're not interested in you, they are rude.

If they don't tell you straight away because they don't want to be assumptive, they're leading you on.

If they tell you in a nice way that they're not interested, they're clearly lesbians, because why else wouldn't they want you?

Miss Olenska

Kimia wrote: »

Women can't win.

If they tell you straight away they're not interested in you, they are rude.

If they don't tell you straight away because they don't want to be assumptive, they're leading you on.

If they tell you in a nice way that they're not interested, they're clearly lesbians, because why else wouldn't they want you?

And don't forget "Yer not that fúckin hot, ya know!"

Wibbs

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Young people are rude in bars and clubs because

1) They are young.
2) They are people.
3) They are drunk.

Simples.

Plus one though I would say that number 3 is the main reason for out of a night gender "difficulties" in this country. And not just in the teenieboppers. I've been around the place, mostly in Europe and yes in my experience in the main non Irish women are generally less harsh on a night out. Indeed considerably less when it comes to strangers interacting. There's less paranoia and just well less harshness. They tend to be more comfortable in their social skins without the need for a skinful. Goes for the men too. A sense of entitlement tends to pervade both. Though I would say, again as a general thing the Latin men can be a lot more sleazy than Irish men and sober while being so.

I'd also add I've noted a definite worsening of this harshness over the years. If boards was around in the 80's, while bitches and creeps like the poor have always been with us, I do think there would have been less of a them and us vibe going on.

saywhatyousee

I have to say i am shockedreading this thread.I have always found Irish girls to be fun and not stuck up.(Sometimes when i read this board i have to question do i live in the same country)Do not be a sleaze and you will get on fine.

KittyeeTrix

Kimia wrote: »

Women can't win.

If they tell you straight away they're not interested in you, they are rude.

If they don't tell you straight away because they don't want to be assumptive, they're leading you on.

If they tell you in a nice way that they're not interested, they're clearly lesbians, because why else wouldn't they want you?

Perfect post Kimia..... Sums up my thoughts on the whole thing!!!

Sonics2k

Kimia wrote: »

Women can't win.

If they tell you straight away they're not interested in you, they are rude.

If they don't tell you straight away because they don't want to be assumptive, they're leading you on.

If they tell you in a nice way that they're not interested, they're clearly lesbians, because why else wouldn't they want you?

Men can't win.

If they try to hit on a woman, they're sleazy.
If they don't hit on a woman, they're pathetic.

If they aren't interested in talking to a woman, clearly they're gay.

It kinda works both ways here people, pretty pointless argument.

At the end of the day, some people go to clubs to try and meet someone, some don't. If you're not out looking to meet someone, well deal with the simple fact it's likely someone may try hitting on you, take it as a compliment. You're obviously attractive.

If you are out looking to meet someone, odds are you'll be rejected a lot. It's a numbers game.

Wibbs

saywhatyousee wrote: »

I have to say i am shockedreading this thread.I have always found Irish girls to be fun and not stuck up.(Sometimes when i read this board i have to question do i live in the same country)Do not be a sleaze and you will get on fine.

Oh sure there's a lot of hyperbole and with a lot of this I blame many men out there moaning because they got rejected while doing wallflower impressions with the odd burst of manic and awkward drink fueled approaching. I'd also say(and saying this as a born and bred Dubliner) Dublin is the worst for this kinda thing in both sexes. I see you're in Sligo, well IMHO you'll see less of this gobshítery there than in the capital.

cofy

jameshealy19 wrote: »

Went out last night with several mates, we approached several Irish women for a chat, (none of us were drunk) and all we ended up getting was really harsh put-downs within the first 10secs. A woman has no rational reason to put a man down like that so fast. Where is the respect and manners amongst Irish girls these days?

Just as a matter of interest, what did you actually say to these women when you approached them?

RonMexico

Because a lot of Irish girls seem to have this as their personal motto.

"I'm selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best."
— Marilyn Monroe

flutterflye

py2006 wrote: »

Oh please, are you serious? You don't know what I am talking about??

So women have always asked them men out, to marry them, to dance etc etc etc. That it has never been seen as the mens role?

Its only relatively recently that you will see women asking men out!

Wow!

You didn't imply that you were speaking of generations gone by.
Silly me - here I was thinking you were living here in 2011.

booboo88

Sonics2k wrote: »

Men can't win.

If they try to hit on a woman, they're sleazy.
If they don't hit on a woman, they're pathetic.

If they aren't interested in talking to a woman, clearly they're gay.

It kinda works both ways here people, pretty pointless argument.

At the end of the day, some people go to clubs to try and meet someone, some don't. If you're not out looking to meet someone, well deal with the simple fact it's likely someone may try hitting on you, take it as a compliment. You're obviously attractive.

If you are out looking to meet someone, odds are you'll be rejected a lot. It's a numbers game.

If your out to meet someone a drink fuelled night out is not the time or the place. I personally like a guy with a sense of humour, but not cheeesyyyy chat up lines, end of.

Randomer.

Annoyingly its still the aggressive alpha male types that don't take no for an answer that end up getting a girl in the end.

If you are not one of those people, went to a single sex school, grew up in an area where there was no girls your age - did a course in college that women wouldn't really attend and never met any potential girlfriends in work - what are your choices in this country?

Internet dating? You still have to do the whole club style alpha male 'hunt down the women' thing , just virtually.

What if you just see women as other people , not as something to hunt down. What if you just want to meet one you get on with and take things from there? You're ****ed in this country thats what.

magma69

Fremen wrote: »

I reckon you must be a minger.

So that makes it okay does it?

The King of Moo

I think it would help if a lot of guys weren't so clearly on the pull when they're out.

Standing on the side of the floor, all wearing their best stripey shirt, all with their hair nicely-gelled, all STARING at the girls on the floor and eyeing them up and down.

Again, I know not all men are like this, but there's enough to form a stereotype and give us all a bad name.

I know it's a cliché that Irish nightclubs are like a cattle mart but it's true.

Though I don't completely blame sleazy guys in nightclubs, because there's not much else to do in Irish nightclubs except perv. The places are designed to be so loud that you can't chat and therefore buy more drink.

So you end up with drunk people who can't talk to each other properly, so it's difficult for they guys who might actually like to have a proper, calm conversation with a girl to do so.

Sonics2k

booboo88 wrote: »

If your out to meet someone a drink fuelled night out is not the time or the place. I personally like a guy with a sense of humour, but not cheeesyyyy chat up lines, end of.

On behalf of my gender I apologise for any male that has ever attempted to use a pick up line. They're bloody stupid

I've never used a pick up line in my life because we all know they don't really work.

But I hate to tell you this, a lot of people do meet on drink fuelled nights.

booboo88

Sonics2k wrote: »

On behalf of my gender I apologise for any male that has ever attempted to use a pick up line. They're bloody stupid
I've never used a pick up line in my life because we all know they don't really work.

But I hate to tell you this, a lot of people do meet on drink fuelled nights.

meet for one night stands

eh no thanks

py2006

flutterflye wrote: »

You didn't imply that you were speaking of generations gone by.
Silly me - here I was thinking you were living here in 2011.

Right, well it still applies today I think. While there are more women these days that will make the effort, there is no expectation or pressure on them to do so.

magma69

Out of all the places I have been, I found Irish girls, in general, to be the most stuck up by far. Which is strange because they are the ugliest also (as are the men).

saywhatyousee