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lou91

Never posted on this forum before, but it seems a bit strange that there's no off-topic/general conversation thread, especially if meet ups take place. It could be a good addition, considering how a lot of the topics here are a bit heavy...

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Platinum2010

Kanoe wrote: »

that music has inspired me to go for a pint

This talk of pints makes me thirsty:p

Kanoe

Platinum2010 wrote: »

This talk of pints makes me thirsty:p

think they serving til 12.30 :P I better run.

Platinum2010

Kanoe wrote: »

think they serving til 12.30 :P I better run.

Oh the joys of poleberry :P

Kanoe

Platinum2010 wrote: »

Oh the joys of poleberry :P

guess again

Platinum2010

I wasn't guessing I meant if you lived near PB you wouldn't need to run

Annasopra

Folks THIS thread is where you discuss vodka, pop tarts, emo etc any other stuff that is not relevant to the topic.

AndrewJD

Johnny, I noticed in the recently locked (and none too soon) thread that nyan cat should be relegated permanently to this forum. Saying nyan cat is only for off topic is short-sighted. If you (as I have done) let nyan cat into your life, you'll find he/she/it/nyan can fulfil all the nyan shaped holes in your existential being. As nyanners say, "NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN". I think that's clear enough.

Links234

start a request thread, change forum title to LGBTNYAN

Annasopra

AndrewJD wrote: »

Johnny, I noticed in the recently locked (and none too soon) thread that nyan cat should be relegated permanently to this forum. Saying nyan cat is only for off topic is short-sighted. If you (as I have done) let nyan cat into your life, you'll find he/she/it/nyan can fulfil all the nyan shaped holes in your existential being. As nyanners say, "NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN". I think that's clear enough.

nyan cat is on topic here but off topic in other threads and I for one will be deleting it in future on sight from every other thread apart from this. It's unfair when people want to have a serious discussion to take it over with frivolous irrelevant jokes.

Kanoe

is nyan cat a metaphor for sexually inexperienced fanboi'?s

Kanoe

Platinum2010 wrote: »

I wasn't guessing I meant if you lived near PB you wouldn't need to run

but then my designated driver would be out of a job

Kanoe

I have to say I'm gutted, I can't believe the level of ignorance that was displayed in that thread earlier.. it was horrific and I just can't be here anymore. I can't associate myself with this, there is not a fibre of my being that relates to any of it.

Platinum2010

Kanoe wrote: »

but then my designated driver would be out of a job

Haha

good one .

As for the ignorance in the last thread as you say , I wasn't meaning to offend so I just hope people are aware of this

Beruthiel

Links234 wrote: »

start a request thread, change forum title to LGBTNYAN

No. Please.
Have pity!

AndrewJD

Johnnymcg wrote: »

nyan cat is on topic here but off topic in other threads and I for one will be deleting it in future on sight from every other thread apart from this. It's unfair when people want to have a serious discussion to take it over with frivolous irrelevant jokes.

I were only joking gov'. Nyan cat is obviously allergic to serious discussion and is religiously opposed to being involved in it. Only a naynner, not a nyanner would think to include the delicious poptart kitty in such a place.

Moving onto shaky-with-the-forum-charter territory, I sometimes find the most ignorant threads the most interesting. If you think that anyone on here has got to be more LGBT issues aware than the general public, then understanding the views of more ignorant posters has to be the tip of the iceberg? It raised some painful issues, and I'm sure in a less confrontational thread the issues might have been discussed more successfully. I mean read the ICD, DSM etc and you'll see classifying trans- issues as mental diseases is not that controversial.

ALSO does anyone have any flash games they love? I've been playing solitaire and 8-ball pool a lot, and need something fresh to waste braincells on.

Links234

AndrewJD wrote: »

Moving onto shaky-with-the-forum-charter territory, I sometimes find the most ignorant threads the most interesting. If you think that anyone on here has got to be more LGBT issues aware than the general public, then understanding the views of more ignorant posters has to be the tip of the iceberg? It raised some painful issues, and I'm sure in a less confrontational thread the issues might have been discussed more successfully. I mean read the ICD, DSM etc and you'll see classifying trans- issues as mental diseases is not that controversial.

Homosexuality was also considered a mental illness until quite recently, so should it be 'not that controversial' to consider people who have same sex attraction mentally ill? But that's another discussion entirely, and not the main issue with the other thread at all. The issue was that some people decided when they felt like it that the discussion was over/had run it's course, and completely derailed the thread with nonsense, which was utterly ignorant towards those who were trying to have a serious discussion. It was quite frankly maddening.

Platinum2010

Links234 wrote: »

The issue was that some people decided when they felt like it that the discussion was over/had run it's course, and completely derailed the thread with nonsense.

I do hope I'm not part of the "some people" you're referring to

diddlybit

Links234 wrote: »

Homosexuality was also considered a mental illness until quite recently, so should it be 'not that controversial' to consider people who have same sex attraction mentally ill? But that's another discussion entirely, and not the main issue with the other thread at all. The issue was that some people decided when they felt like it that the discussion was over/had run it's course, and completely derailed the thread with nonsense, which was utterly ignorant towards those who were trying to have a serious discussion. It was quite frankly maddening.

I missed all the drama, but having finished reading the thread (which was epic) I have to agree with Links234 here. There was a lot of potential for a great debate, that eventually had to get flushed down the toilet. And it was something that was a little different from the usual topics here so that's doubly sad. It's a topic I find fascinating and now it's locked.

It was derailed, but it was donw so in a fashion that was pointed a group of posters that had opinions from those derailing. It was constructed it in way in which, if you weren't joining in or disagreed with some points, it was like "Jeez, lighten up and have a sense of humour." (I'm not sure I've explained that very well.) It was quite distasteful.

AndrewJD

Links234 wrote: »

Homosexuality was also considered a mental illness until quite recently, so should it be 'not that controversial' to consider people who have same sex attraction mentally ill? But that's another discussion entirely, and not the main issue with the other thread at all. The issue was that some people decided when they felt like it that the discussion was over/had run it's course, and completely derailed the thread with nonsense, which was utterly ignorant towards those who were trying to have a serious discussion. It was quite frankly maddening.

Obviously I'm aware of your first point, that wasn't really what I was getting at. From what it looked like in the doomed thread, it seemed its locking was due to what someone said regarding mental illness, my point was merely that this is currently an uncontroversial opinion, as the majority of medical definition supports this viewpoint. I didn't realise the light-hearted attitude of some posters in the middle of it was the larger problem, I tended to skip over those posts reading through. Maybe we could have another go at it? I think a lot of misunderstanding rather than ill intent lead to the last threads demise. Like most people agree, they were important topics, poorly discussed.

Meesared

The previous thread had just devolved into an argument and was not making any progress IMO. I dunno if another thread will be any different.

rainbow kirby

There's actually quite a few possible threads for discussion that came up in the doomed thread.

- Meaning of the "Q" in LGBTQ
- Pathologisation of trans* identities
- Bisexual/pansexual erasure and invalidation of identities
- Privilege in the LGBT community
- Kink/fetish/BDSM

If anyone wants to try and tackle any of these, feel free.

Links234

AndrewJD wrote: »

Obviously I'm aware of your first point, that wasn't really what I was getting at. From what it looked like in the doomed thread, it seemed its locking was due to what someone said regarding mental illness, my point was merely that this is currently an uncontroversial opinion, as the majority of medical definition supports this viewpoint. I didn't realise the light-hearted attitude of some posters in the middle of it was the larger problem, I tended to skip over those posts reading through. Maybe we could have another go at it? I think a lot of misunderstanding rather than ill intent lead to the last threads demise. Like most people agree, they were important topics, poorly discussed.

Rainbow Kirby said she was closing the thread in 15 minutes before the comments about mental illness, so that was not the reason it was closed at all. It was closed because it had been completely derailed and dragged off topic. I think derailing is becoming a problem in this forum, it's not as if this was an isolated incident, there were trans threads that were derailed recently too.

Platinum2010

Links I do hope there is no bad feeling between us . I wasnt meaning to offend you or anyone else in any way

Meesared

Platinum2010 wrote: »

Links I do hope there is no bad feeling between us . I wasnt meaning to offend you or anyone else in any way

Me either!

Annasopra

Meesared wrote: »

Me either!

Perhaps you didn't mean to offend but people are justifiably pissed off. An attempt at discussion was deemed over and the whole thread was taken over with totally irrelevant juvenile nonsense.

Meesared

Johnnymcg wrote: »

Perhaps you didn't mean to offend but people are justifiably pissed off. An attempt at discussion was deemed over and the whole thread was taken over with totally irrelevant juvenile nonsense.

Fair enough, wasnt in the best of moods yesterday, i do apologise

Chuchoter

I'm just finding that any time we try to have an interesting discussion on this forum, one way or another it ends up getting locked. I'm not saying that anything is being locked that shouldn't be, but whatever people are doing, compared to the other forums I'm active on this place has the most threads being locked regularly by a long shot.

wonderfulname

And ironically the silliness thread has now been derailed with seriousness

I too am disappointed with how the last thread panned out, there was potential for great debate in a number of areas there. I'll certainly start a tread incorporating some of the issues raised soon, as soon as I can think of a way to construct it so as to foster good discussion that is...

Platinum2010

It was good for discussion alright .I just was not meaning to offend anyone which I'm afraid may have been the case

wonderfulname

Don't worry about whether you caused offence, you didn't mean it, we know. What I would advise is striving to understand the other position(s) on the subject, you can say whatever the hell you want if you can back it up, and by the time you can I suspect you would say different.