Deleted User wrote: » According to the UCC website, it's on in the O'Rahilly Building on Thursday, 23th June. However, ANF says it's on (additionally?) Friday, 24th June. ANF has the details of people to contact if you want to protest (phone and email) here. I am so saddened by this, though not particularly surprised that such an exhibition is being shown.Kyrie eleison!Mother Mary, have pity on us!
Lapin wrote: » Anyone know where and when this art exhibition is taking place?
PDN wrote: » Mod Warning Can we stop the bickering please? Moderating this thread is like having to look after a group of 5-year olds. Posters should address the post, rather than attacking the poster. Also, leave the moderating to the mods. Let them determine who is trolling and who isn't. Moderating issues are addressed by the Reported Post button, or via PM, not inthread.
Guitar_Monkey wrote: » Right back at ya !
Ellis Dee wrote: » Note to self: Ignore this eejit from now on!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Guitar_Monkey wrote: » Ellis Dee wrote: » Fair enough, your age is none of my business, just as mine is none of yours. Don't try and say i'm making snide comments when you've been acting like a tosser all day. Oh, and those smileys you keep using...with the raised eyes ? Really cool ! If you're old enough to be my father, then start acting like it. You're a classy individual....:rolleyes: (see what i did there ?) Good luck to you sir ! Note to self: Ignore this eejit from now on!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Ellis Dee wrote: » Fair enough, your age is none of my business, just as mine is none of yours. Don't try and say i'm making snide comments when you've been acting like a tosser all day. Oh, and those smileys you keep using...with the raised eyes ? Really cool ! If you're old enough to be my father, then start acting like it. You're a classy individual....:rolleyes: (see what i did there ?) Good luck to you sir !
lmaopml wrote: » I don't think anybody thinks that it should be illegal. The same way as it's not illegal to view those who actually thrive on it as somewhat arrogant, obnoxious, and childish (none of these things are illegal ) - Neither is ignoring those dipictions as a childish kind of ruse...daily mail style. Ellis Dee, I'm sorry for your loss. I lost my Dad just over a year ago and it's difficult to come to terms with any loss, especially that of a parent or child. I wish you the best..
Ellis Dee wrote: » Guitar_Monkey wrote: » Why do you half-apologise and then make snide comments like that? My age is none of your business, but I suppose I'm old enough to be your father; I'm old enough to be most people's.:rolleyes: Fortunately, I know I'm not yours. Now, enjoy your weekend, too. Fair enough, your age is none of my business, just as mine is none of yours. Don't try and say i'm making snide comments when you've been acting like a tosser all day. Oh, and those smileys you keep using...with the raised eyes ? Really cool ! If you're old enough to be my father, then start acting like it. You're a classy individual....:rolleyes: (see what i did there ?) Good luck to you sir !
Guitar_Monkey wrote: » Why do you half-apologise and then make snide comments like that? My age is none of your business, but I suppose I'm old enough to be your father; I'm old enough to be most people's.:rolleyes: Fortunately, I know I'm not yours. Now, enjoy your weekend, too.
Morbert wrote: » I did not say atheistic. I said secular. Secular governments protect the right of people to practice their religion (within the confines of the law). "Atheistic governments" (by which you presumably mean the Godless, but still deeply religious regimes of Stalin and Mao) do not. How is this related to the question of whether or not it should be illegal to offend religious sensibilities?
ISAW wrote: » Yes. An atheistic government which wont protest them and institute a "There is no God and we will work against any who ask us to respect their religious beliefs" regime. Every time that happened in history you could count the corpses. Hundreds of millions of them! That's a reason why.
The Church is helping children worldwide. I don't see international atheism helping any of them . Their meetings seem to be more concerned with talk and doing down religions.
Guitar_Monkey wrote: » Ellis Dee wrote: » No...i'm not. I'm just asking you to be a bit more considerate in some of your comments. You asked me my age earlier....i'd be interested in your own, because you're behaving rather childishly. Why do you half-apologise and then make snide comments like that? My age is none of your business, but I suppose I'm old enough to be your father; I'm old enough to be most people's.:rolleyes: Fortunately, I know I'm not yours. Now, enjoy your weekend, too.
Ellis Dee wrote: » No...i'm not. I'm just asking you to be a bit more considerate in some of your comments. You asked me my age earlier....i'd be interested in your own, because you're behaving rather childishly.
Onesimus wrote: » *poking you with his finger and teasing you* Stop talking to your self, stop talking to yourself :pac:
Ellis Dee wrote: » There is something called decency. Ask someone to explain it to you.:mad:
Ellis Dee wrote: » Guitar_Monkey wrote: » Yes, you are lecturing, but that's your own problem.:rolleyes: Incidentally, do you know anything about blasphemy laws in other countries, and do you think you might like to outline some interesting examples of such legislation and engage in discussion of them rather than coming on as a rather bullying person who takes it upon himself to tell others how they should express themselves? No...i'm not. I'm just asking you to be a bit more considerate in some of your comments. You asked me my age earlier....i'd be interested in your own, because you're behaving rather childishly. As for your second point......."It seems you just understand freedom as being the freedom to agree with you."...absolute bull....i told you i had no problem with whatever people choose to believe in...or not, as the case may be. Some of my best friends are Athiests, and they're very capable of arguing their points without resorting to mockery. I'm not really concerned with blasphemy laws. The thread isn't even about that. It's about wether a certain image is blasphemous to Christians. I don't really agree with blasphemy laws to be honest. As i said, it's pretty easy to avoid that stuff if you want. As a fan of extreme music, i've been exposed to all sorts....it dosn't really bother me. So i don't think stuff should be banned just because a certain group might find it offensive. It's only if it's in someone's without their consent that i think it's a bit of a problem. By the way....i think we both need to step back a bit. I didn't mean to come across bullyish...if i did, i apologise. There is a bit of a trend of people trolling in this forum with the attitude of winding up and mocking the Christians and religious for a bit of a "laugh". All i meant was have a bit of consideration for the beliefs of others, seeing as this is a Christian forum. Anyway....whatever.....i'm not out for a fight. I just want to enjoy my weekend. Take it easy.
Guitar_Monkey wrote: » Yes, you are lecturing, but that's your own problem.:rolleyes: Incidentally, do you know anything about blasphemy laws in other countries, and do you think you might like to outline some interesting examples of such legislation and engage in discussion of them rather than coming on as a rather bullying person who takes it upon himself to tell others how they should express themselves?
Guitar_Monkey wrote: » Ellis Dee wrote: » I did not understand that this is a Christian forum. I thought it was a general forum and that this was a thread discussing blasphemy. Are you sure it is a Christian forum, and do you really expect everyone to just accept that particular ethos? Look at the top left of your screen. I'm not lecturing anyone, i'm just asking you to show a little respect and be less offensive in the way you choose to get your point across. I have no problem with your beliefs at all or you engaging in this thread on the topic of blasphemy. As i previously said, i believe everybody has the right to believe in whatever they want without persecution or mockery from others...be it God, Allah, Satan, Odin, Fairies, Pixies...whatever....as long as they're not harming anyone. I believe it's called religious freedom. Yes, you are lecturing, but that's your own problem.:rolleyes: I, too, believe in religious freedom, but understand that as meaning that people are free to believe in whatever religion they want, or none. It seems you just understand freedom as being the freedom to agree with you. Incidentally, do you know anything about blasphemy laws in other countries, and do you think you might like to outline some interesting examples of such legislation and engage in discussion of them rather than coming on as a rather bullying person who takes it upon himself to tell others how they should express themselves?
Ellis Dee wrote: » I did not understand that this is a Christian forum. I thought it was a general forum and that this was a thread discussing blasphemy. Are you sure it is a Christian forum, and do you really expect everyone to just accept that particular ethos? Look at the top left of your screen. I'm not lecturing anyone, i'm just asking you to show a little respect and be less offensive in the way you choose to get your point across. I have no problem with your beliefs at all or you engaging in this thread on the topic of blasphemy. As i previously said, i believe everybody has the right to believe in whatever they want without persecution or mockery from others...be it God, Allah, Satan, Odin, Fairies, Pixies...whatever....as long as they're not harming anyone. I believe it's called religious freedom.
Bob Cratchet wrote: » Using you're very own argument (not mine), why would anyone respect your requests, beliefs, mourning or mother ?
Ellis Dee wrote: » Bob Cratchet, As I said already, I am mourning my mother and I asked you not to drag her into this discussion. Anyone who wasn't a scut would have left the matter at that and discuss issues rather than persons. if you represent what Christianity is all about, then I'm doubly glad that I have nothing to do with it. Nor will I ever want to.:mad::mad:
Ellis Dee wrote: » "offence is usually in the eye of the beholder, in the eyes of people who choose to take offence. That is your way of seeking to dominate others. What a cowardly cop-out it is to just scream "offence" every time someone says something that ridicules your belief As for respect, I have always believed that it is something that has to be earned.
Guitar_Monkey wrote: » First of all, i fully support free speech ! I also believe that it is possible to make a point without knowingly causing offense to others. My previous comments relate to the fact that this is a Christian forum. You've come into this thread mocking Christian beliefs. You're fully entitled to your opionion of course, i just think you're being a bit disrespectful. As for saying people choose to take offence as way to dominate others ?? Do you realise how crazy that sounds ?? So do you believe in a society where everyone can just do whatever the hell the please with no regards to anyone else ? I'm not a big fan of censorship. As i said, nobody has to go an see the artwork in question. I would only have a problem with it if it was imposed on people who might find it blasphemous, against their will. What's my age got to do with anything ? Get off your high horse. I can remember when Life of Brian and The Exorcist were banned. Did i agree with it ? No. I don't see what that's got to do with you coming in here and disrespecting people ? Just so you know....most of them probably don't give a damn what you say, they're used to it...i don't either. I just think people are entitled to believe whatever they want to believe as long as they're not harming anyone, without the persecution of others.
Ellis Dee wrote: » My mother is dead. And I would prefer if you did not drag her into this discussion. In fact, I find it offensive that you do.
Ellis Dee wrote: » offence is usually in the eye of the beholder, in the eyes of people who choose to take offence. That is their way of seeking to dominate others. What a cowardly cop-out it is to just scream "offence" or "blasphemy" every time someone says something that ridicules your beliefs! As for respect, I have always believed that it is something that has to be earned. I also reject your assertion that mockery is a form of discrimination. I would call it free speech. Sorry if it is not always what you are hoping to hear.
Ellis Dee wrote: » As I've said before - and you will notice that I have been careful never to be personally offensive or ad hominen - offence is usually in the eye of the beholder, in the eyes of people who choose to take offence. That is their way of seeking to dominate others. What a cowardly cop-out it is to just scream "offence" or "blasphemy" every time someone says something that ridicules your beliefs! As for respect, I have always believed that it is something that has to be earned. I also reject your assertion that mockery is a form of discrimination. I would call it free speech. Sorry if it is not always what you are hoping to hear. How old are you? Probably not old enough to remember the days when some of Ireland's finest and internationally renowned writers were banned in their home country, usually because self-appointed offence-detectors took it upon themselves to snitch on them to the censors.
philologos wrote: » Sometimes I have to wonder is Ellis Dee a reincarnation of the one and only rohatch.
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