Blasphemy?

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Bob Cratchet, As I said already, I am mourning my mother and I asked you not to drag her into this discussion. Anyone who wasn't a scut would have left the matter at that and discuss issues rather than persons.

if you represent what Christianity is all about, then I'm doubly glad that I have nothing to do with it. Nor will I ever want to.:mad::mad:

Using you're very own argument (not mine), why would anyone respect your requests, beliefs, mourning or mother ?

Ellis Dee wrote: »

"offence is usually in the eye of the beholder, in the eyes of people who choose to take offence. That is your way of seeking to dominate others. What a cowardly cop-out it is to just scream "offence" every time someone says something that ridicules your belief

As for respect, I have always believed that it is something that has to be earned.

Ellis Dee wrote: »

I did not understand that this is a Christian forum. I thought it was a general forum and that this was a thread discussing blasphemy. Are you sure it is a Christian forum, and do you really expect everyone to just accept that particular ethos?

Look at the top left of your screen. I'm not lecturing anyone, i'm just asking you to show a little respect and be less offensive in the way you choose to get your point across. I have no problem with your beliefs at all or you engaging in this thread on the topic of blasphemy. As i previously said, i believe everybody has the right to believe in whatever they want without persecution or mockery from others...be it God, Allah, Satan, Odin, Fairies, Pixies...whatever....as long as they're not harming anyone. I believe it's called religious freedom.

Bob Cratchet wrote: »

Using you're very own argument (not mine), why would anyone respect your requests, beliefs, mourning or mother ?

There is something called decency. Ask someone to explain it to you.:mad:

Guitar_Monkey wrote: »

Ellis Dee wrote: »

I did not understand that this is a Christian forum. I thought it was a general forum and that this was a thread discussing blasphemy. Are you sure it is a Christian forum, and do you really expect everyone to just accept that particular ethos?

Look at the top left of your screen. I'm not lecturing anyone, i'm just asking you to show a little respect and be less offensive in the way you choose to get your point across. I have no problem with your beliefs at all or you engaging in this thread on the topic of blasphemy. As i previously said, i believe everybody has the right to believe in whatever they want without persecution or mockery from others...be it God, Allah, Satan, Odin, Fairies, Pixies...whatever....as long as they're not harming anyone. I believe it's called religious freedom.

Yes, you are lecturing, but that's your own problem.:rolleyes:

I, too, believe in religious freedom, but understand that as meaning that people are free to believe in whatever religion they want, or none. It seems you just understand freedom as being the freedom to agree with you.

Incidentally, do you know anything about blasphemy laws in other countries, and do you think you might like to outline some interesting examples of such legislation and engage in discussion of them rather than coming on as a rather bullying person who takes it upon himself to tell others how they should express themselves?

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Guitar_Monkey wrote: »

Yes, you are lecturing, but that's your own problem.:rolleyes:

Incidentally, do you know anything about blasphemy laws in other countries, and do you think you might like to outline some interesting examples of such legislation and engage in discussion of them rather than coming on as a rather bullying person who takes it upon himself to tell others how they should express themselves?

No...i'm not. I'm just asking you to be a bit more considerate in some of your comments. You asked me my age earlier....i'd be interested in your own, because you're behaving rather childishly.
As for your second point......."It seems you just understand freedom as being the freedom to agree with you."...absolute bull....i told you i had no problem with whatever people choose to believe in...or not, as the case may be. Some of my best friends are Athiests, and they're very capable of arguing their points without resorting to mockery.
I'm not really concerned with blasphemy laws. The thread isn't even about that. It's about wether a certain image is blasphemous to Christians. I don't really agree with blasphemy laws to be honest. As i said, it's pretty easy to avoid that stuff if you want. As a fan of extreme music, i've been exposed to all sorts....it dosn't really bother me. So i don't think stuff should be banned just because a certain group might find it offensive. It's only if it's in someone's without their consent that i think it's a bit of a problem.

By the way....i think we both need to step back a bit. I didn't mean to come across bullyish...if i did, i apologise. There is a bit of a trend of people trolling in this forum with the attitude of winding up and mocking the Christians and religious for a bit of a "laugh". All i meant was have a bit of consideration for the beliefs of others, seeing as this is a Christian forum.
Anyway....whatever.....i'm not out for a fight. I just want to enjoy my weekend. Take it easy.

Onesimus

Ellis Dee wrote: »

There is something called decency. Ask someone to explain it to you.:mad:

*poking you with his finger and teasing you* Stop talking to your self, stop talking to yourself :pac:

Onesimus wrote: »

*poking you with his finger and teasing you* Stop talking to your self, stop talking to yourself :pac:

Guitar_Monkey wrote: »

Ellis Dee wrote: »

No...i'm not. I'm just asking you to be a bit more considerate in some of your comments. You asked me my age earlier....i'd be interested in your own, because you're behaving rather childishly.

Why do you half-apologise and then make snide comments like that? My age is none of your business, but I suppose I'm old enough to be your father; I'm old enough to be most people's.:rolleyes: Fortunately, I know I'm not yours. Now, enjoy your weekend, too.

Morbert

ISAW wrote: »

Yes. An atheistic government which wont protest them and institute a "There is no God and we will work against any who ask us to respect their religious beliefs" regime.

Every time that happened in history you could count the corpses. Hundreds of millions of them! That's a reason why.

I did not say atheistic. I said secular. Secular governments protect the right of people to practice their religion (within the confines of the law). "Atheistic governments" (by which you presumably mean the Godless, but still deeply religious regimes of Stalin and Mao) do not.

The Church is helping children worldwide. I don't see international atheism helping any of them . Their meetings seem to be more concerned with talk and doing down religions.

How is this related to the question of whether or not it should be illegal to offend religious sensibilities?

Morbert wrote: »

I did not say atheistic. I said secular. Secular governments protect the right of people to practice their religion (within the confines of the law). "Atheistic governments" (by which you presumably mean the Godless, but still deeply religious regimes of Stalin and Mao) do not.

How is this related to the question of whether or not it should be illegal to offend religious sensibilities?

Good points! Actually, I doubt whether there have been many genuinely atheistic governments at all in the history of the world. By that I mean governments that have really thought about the matter and come to the realisation that religion has a pernicious influence on people. Those governments that have cracked down on religion have always been totalitarian ones, which want to control everything and are unwilling to tolerate any organised groups that are not under their (the governments') control. It is not religion per se that has bothered them, but any hint of groups that might conceivably challenge or erode their power.

lmaopml

I don't think anybody thinks that it should be illegal. The same way as it's not illegal to view those who actually thrive on it as somewhat arrogant, obnoxious, and childish (none of these things are illegal ) - Neither is ignoring those dipictions as a childish kind of ruse...daily mail style.

Ellis Dee, I'm sorry for your loss. I lost my Dad just over a year ago and it's difficult to come to terms with any loss, especially that of a parent or child. I wish you the best..

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Guitar_Monkey wrote: »

Why do you half-apologise and then make snide comments like that? My age is none of your business, but I suppose I'm old enough to be your father; I'm old enough to be most people's.:rolleyes: Fortunately, I know I'm not yours. Now, enjoy your weekend, too.

Fair enough, your age is none of my business, just as mine is none of yours. Don't try and say i'm making snide comments when you've been acting like a tosser all day. Oh, and those smileys you keep using...with the raised eyes ? Really cool ! If you're old enough to be my father, then start acting like it. You're a classy individual....:rolleyes: (see what i did there ?)
Good luck to you sir !

lmaopml wrote: »

I don't think anybody thinks that it should be illegal. The same way as it's not illegal to view those who actually thrive on it as somewhat arrogant, obnoxious, and childish (none of these things are illegal ) - Neither is ignoring those dipictions as a childish kind of ruse...daily mail style.

Ellis Dee, I'm sorry for your loss. I lost my Dad just over a year ago and it's difficult to come to terms with any loss, especially that of a parent or child. I wish you the best..

Thank you, Imaopml. Very kind of you to say that. I know it takes time to get over a bereavement and what you say about the loss of a child reminds me of one of the few things that really scare me. Fortunately, that is one thing that I have been spared and my children are grown up and successful.

As the Vulcans say, I say to you: Live long and prosper.:)

lmaopml

Star Trek

Love it! You too...

Guitar_Monkey wrote: »

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Fair enough, your age is none of my business, just as mine is none of yours. Don't try and say i'm making snide comments when you've been acting like a tosser all day. Oh, and those smileys you keep using...with the raised eyes ? Really cool ! If you're old enough to be my father, then start acting like it. You're a classy individual....:rolleyes: (see what i did there ?)
Good luck to you sir !

Note to self: Ignore this eejit from now on!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

lmaopml

Ellis Dee, do you have a cauldron for that big spoon of yours? Oh sorry, it seems you do

a favourite.

I think I'll go off and look at some other threads now...lol....

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Note to self: Ignore this eejit from now on!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Right back at ya !

philologos

A little bit of moderation goes a long way

Guitar_Monkey wrote: »

Right back at ya !

Is this one of the smarter members of your family?:D:D:D ROFLMAO

PDN

Mod Warning

Can we stop the bickering please? Moderating this thread is like having to look after a group of 5-year olds. Posters should address the post, rather than attacking the poster.

Also, leave the moderating to the mods. Let them determine who is trolling and who isn't. Moderating issues are addressed by the Reported Post button, or via PM, not inthread.

Apologies to everyone for taking the thread off topic...and to you PDN, i'll leave it to you guys from now on. I'm not much of a poster anyway, i tend to lurk mostly

. Maybe i'll stick to that from now on.

PDN wrote: »

Mod Warning

Can we stop the bickering please? Moderating this thread is like having to look after a group of 5-year olds. Posters should address the post, rather than attacking the poster.

Also, leave the moderating to the mods. Let them determine who is trolling and who isn't. Moderating issues are addressed by the Reported Post button, or via PM, not inthread.

Good man. Best to nip it in the bud early in future, then there would be no problems.
I always report trolling, but it can be a long time before anything can be done about it, and by that stage it gets way out of hand. I'm not blaming you guys, you can't be here all the time. BTW my surname is not misspelt as you referred to earlier, it's the correct Irish spelling as used in our family. I'd appreciate if you could respect that small point, at it is important to us. Thanks

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Lapin wrote: »

Anyone know where and when this art exhibition is taking place?

According to the UCC website, it's on in the O'Rahilly Building on Thursday, 23th June. However, ANF says it's on (additionally?) Friday, 24th June. ANF has the details of people to contact if you want to protest (phone and email) here.

I am so saddened by this, though not particularly surprised that such an exhibition is being shown.

Kyrie eleison!
Mother Mary, have pity on us!