Saorview Content Speculation

The Cush wrote: »

Is that an MHEG-5 onscreen message?

I wonder if we'll have similar for RTÉjr/RTÉ1+1?

Yes, when change to this channel. you are face with a black blank screen then about 5 seconds later the red background come up with text info.
As you can see on the 3rd picture where I press the info button and if you see on the bottom right corner, it says MHEG

Souriau wrote: »

Taken after 19:00
Program Number: 7/4349
PCR on PID 241 (0x00f1)
PMT Version: 8
Service name: BBC THREE
Logical channel number: 7
Stream Type: 0x02 MPEG-2 Video
Elementary Stream PID 241 (0x00f1)
Stream Type: 0x03 MPEG-1 Audio
Elementary Stream PID 242 (0x00f2)
Stream Type: 0x03 MPEG-1 Audio
Elementary Stream PID 246 (0x00f6)
Stream Type: 0x06 ISO/IEC 13818-1 PES packets containing private data
Elementary Stream PID 245 (0x00f5)
Stream Type: 0x05 ISO/IEC 13818-1 private_sections
Elementary Stream PID 249 (0x00f9)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 620 (0x026c)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 621 (0x026d)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 650 (0x028a)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 651 (0x028b)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 652 (0x028c)

*********************************
Program Number: 70/4669
PCR on PID 8191 (0x1fff)
PMT Version: 8
Service name: CBBC Channel
Logical channel number: 70
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 622 (0x026e)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 623 (0x026f)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 650 (0x028a)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 651 (0x028b)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 652 (0x028c)

*********************************
Program Number: 16832
PCR on PID 201 (0x00c9)
PMT Version: 7
Service name: BBC FOUR
Stream Type: 0x02 MPEG-2 Video
Elementary Stream PID 201 (0x00c9)
Stream Type: 0x03 MPEG-1 Audio
Elementary Stream PID 401 (0x0191)
Stream Type: 0x03 MPEG-1 Audio
Elementary Stream PID 402 (0x0192)
Stream Type: 0x06 ISO/IEC 13818-1 PES packets containing private data
Elementary Stream PID 601 (0x0259)
Stream Type: 0x05 ISO/IEC 13818-1 private_sections
Elementary Stream PID 209 (0x00d1)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 306 (0x0132)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 307 (0x0133)
Stream Type: 0x0d ISO/IEC 13818-6 type D
Elementary Stream PID 310 (0x0136)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 301 (0x012d)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 302 (0x012e)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 303 (0x012f)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 304 (0x0130)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 305 (0x0131)

*********************************
Program Number: 71/16960
PCR on PID 8191 (0x1fff)
PMT Version: 9
Service name: CBeebies
Logical channel number: 71
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 308 (0x0134)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 309 (0x0135)
Stream Type: 0x0d ISO/IEC 13818-6 type D
Elementary Stream PID 311 (0x0137)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 301 (0x012d)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 302 (0x012e)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 303 (0x012f)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 304 (0x0130)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 305 (0x0131)

Taken before 19:00
Program Number: 7/4349
PCR on PID 8191 (0x1fff)
PMT Version: 9
Service name: BBC THREE
Logical channel number: 7
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 620 (0x026c)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 621 (0x026d)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 650 (0x028a)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 651 (0x028b)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 652 (0x028c)

*********************************
Program Number: 70/4669
PCR on PID 241 (0x00f1)
PMT Version: 9
Service name: CBBC Channel
Logical channel number: 70
Stream Type: 0x02 MPEG-2 Video
Elementary Stream PID 241 (0x00f1)
Stream Type: 0x03 MPEG-1 Audio
Elementary Stream PID 242 (0x00f2)
Stream Type: 0x03 MPEG-1 Audio
Elementary Stream PID 246 (0x00f6)
Stream Type: 0x06 ISO/IEC 13818-1 PES packets containing private data
Elementary Stream PID 245 (0x00f5)
Stream Type: 0x05 ISO/IEC 13818-1 private_sections
Elementary Stream PID 249 (0x00f9)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 622 (0x026e)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 623 (0x026f)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 650 (0x028a)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 651 (0x028b)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 652 (0x028c)

*********************************
Program Number: 9/16832
PCR on PID 8191 (0x1fff)
PMT Version: 8
Service name: BBC FOUR
Logical channel number: 9
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 306 (0x0132)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 307 (0x0133)
Stream Type: 0x0d ISO/IEC 13818-6 type D
Elementary Stream PID 310 (0x0136)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 301 (0x012d)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 302 (0x012e)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 303 (0x012f)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 304 (0x0130)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 305 (0x0131)

*********************************
Program Number: 71/16960
PCR on PID 201 (0x00c9)
PMT Version: 10
Service name: CBeebies
Logical channel number: 71
Stream Type: 0x02 MPEG-2 Video
Elementary Stream PID 201 (0x00c9)
Stream Type: 0x03 MPEG-1 Audio
Elementary Stream PID 401 (0x0191)
Stream Type: 0x03 MPEG-1 Audio
Elementary Stream PID 402 (0x0192)
Stream Type: 0x06 ISO/IEC 13818-1 PES packets containing private data
Elementary Stream PID 601 (0x0259)
Stream Type: 0x05 ISO/IEC 13818-1 private_sections
Elementary Stream PID 209 (0x00d1)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 308 (0x0134)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 309 (0x0135)
Stream Type: 0x0d ISO/IEC 13818-6 type D
Elementary Stream PID 311 (0x0137)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 301 (0x012d)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 302 (0x012e)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 303 (0x012f)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 304 (0x0130)
Stream Type: 0x0b ISO/IEC 13818-6 type B
Elementary Stream PID 305 (0x0131)

The Cush wrote: »

@Souriau

How are the BBC3/4 and CBBC/CBebbies channels carried within the Freeview DTT muxes?

Different PIDs, VPIDs etc.? Blank screen when the other is on-air or on-screen graphic/message or info bar message?

Here are more pictures of BBC3 & BBC4 off-air with MHEG

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rte 2 HD has its first event folks - the magners league grand final will be in Hd according to rte's own advertising on their channels....shall be quality i hope

warlikedave wrote: »

rte 2 HD has its first event folks - the magners league grand final will be in Hd according to rte's own advertising on their channels....shall be quality i hope

Interesting as TG4 are also showing same.

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Elmo wrote: »

Interesting as TG4 are also showing same.

They as in TG4 wont be able to broadcast it in HD though or do they have the capicity on the mux to offer the same? Personally I serously doubt it but ye never know.

warlikedave wrote: »

They as in TG4 wont be able to broadcast it in HD though or do they have the capicity on the mux to offer the same? Personally I serously doubt it but ye never know.

No spare capacity on Mux 1. If there was spare capacity, TG4, as a PSB would have to go through the same Departmental approval/consultation process that RTÉ2 did 6 months ago to broadcast HD content as required by the Broadcasting Act.

The Cush wrote: »

If TV3 want to be there after the public launch they gotta pay.

Next weeks RTÉ Guide (out today) has an article on the launch of Saorview next weekend. The article confirms the the 2 big games on Saturday will be in HD - the Champions League and Magners League Finals.

It also lists TV3 and 3e as available on Saorview and includes their Saorview epg numbers in the listings. Transmission and distribution contracts must be sorted.

warlikedave wrote: »

They as in TG4 wont be able to broadcast it in HD though or do they have the capicity on the mux to offer the same? Personally I serously doubt it but ye never know.

I was just pointing out that TG4 are also broadcasting the game.

The Cush wrote: »

Next weeks RTÉ Guide (out today) has an article on the launch of Saorview next weekend. The article confirms the the 2 big games on Saturday will be in HD - the Champions League and Magners League Finals.

It also lists TV3 and 3e as available on Saorview and includes their Saorview epg numbers in the listings. Transmission and distribution contracts must be sorted.

Interesting. You would think that they might do the same to their online listings. Will RTÉ News Now also get a listing panel? Or a press release on the Saorview website. Or a special RTÉ TEN NEWS, or give aways, or you know more information.

Suppose I will just have to buy the Guide.

Elmo wrote: »

Interesting. You would think that they might do the same to their online listings. Will RTÉ News Now also get a listing panel? Or a press release on the Saorview website. Or a special RTÉ TEN NEWS, or give aways, or you know more information. Suppose I will just have to buy the Guide.

The Cush wrote: »

So no separate listings for RTÉjr or RTÉ News Now? even in the digital section. Anyway I won't need to buy the guide thanks.

Elmo wrote: »

So no separate listings for RTÉjr or RTÉ News Now? even in the digital section.

No separate listings for RTÉjr or RTÉ News Now in the Guide.

ftakeith

The Cush wrote: »

No.

28th May 2011 as per RTE Guide article is when Saorview begins

ftakeith wrote: »

28th May 2011 as per RTE Guide article is when Saorview begins

Yes, I'm aware of that. I posted the article yesterday - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=72370628&postcount=278

Also it officially launches this Thursday, 26th May - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=72384817&postcount=284

Interesting that they still use the name NTL, rather then UPC in the guide.

The Cush wrote: »

No spare capacity on Mux 1.

Here is a snapshot of Mux1
from my understanding 0x0fff is spare capacity, and looking at the chart, I think is just less than 3%.
Interesting to see RTE2 HD is using over 30% while other TV channels are just between 4% to 11%.

RTE1 0x044d
RTE2 0x044e
TV3 0x044f
TG4 0x0450
News 0x0451
3e 0x0452
7 0x0453
8 0x0454

Souriau wrote: »

Here is a snapshot of Mux1
from my understanding 0x0fff is spare capacity, and looking at the chart, I think is just less than 3%.
Interesting to see RTE2 HD is using over 30% while other TV channels are just between 4% to 11%.

RTE1 0x044d
RTE2 0x044e
TV3 0x044f
TG4 0x0450
News 0x0451
3e 0x0452
7 0x0453
8 0x0454

This was RTÉ's multiplex plan late last year - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69031541&postcount=14

bk wrote: »

Interesting that they still use the name NTL, rather then UPC in the guide.

Well they have just stopped calling it RTÉ Relays.

Machinehead

Since both test channels 7 & 8 don't have any EPG info from 7am tomorrow, would it be safe to assume that Saorview kick starts with RTÉjnr @ 7am with RTÉ1+1 to follow suit @ 7pm thereafter?

jamescc

i through that i guess we will find out at 7am

According to RTÉ's submission to the Dept the RTÉjr channel's start time will be 11:00 each weekday (no weekend service), moving to a 07:00 start time in Phase 2 (May 2012).

jamescc

The Cush wrote: »

According to RTÉ's submission to the Dept the RTÉjr channel's start time will be 11:00 each weekday (no weekend service), moving to a 07:00 start time in Phase 2 (May 2012).

I would love to find out what children start watching the TV at 11:00am and don't bother with it at the weekend, absolute joke.
It reminds me of when rte would start up at 12:00 midday when half the day was gone.
I am beginning to wonder if there was not a mandate from the EU, if rte/government would have gone digital at all.
I would also wonder what our licence is paying for. But I am sure someone will tell me that.

RTÉjr (test Service) and RTÉ One +1 (Programmes start at 19:00) on EPG.

PressTheButton wrote: »

RTÉjr (test Service) and RTÉ One +1 (Programmes start at 19:00) on EPG.

Gone now! 'RTÉjnr' and 'RTÉ One +1' replaced with words: 'Test Service'.

mossym

jamescc wrote: »

I would love to find out what children start watching the TV at 11:00am and don't bother with it at the weekend, absolute joke.
It reminds me of when rte would start up at 12:00 midday when half the day was gone.
I am beginning to wonder if there was not a mandate from the EU, if rte/government would have gone digital at all.
I would also wonder what our licence is paying for. But I am sure someone will tell me that.

agreed..it's 7 am in the morning you want the kids to be able to chill out watching kids tv while you get to relax for a few more minutes, by 11am they're out and about, and no weekend is an absolute joke.
we're 10+ years late in getting first HD broadcasts, i imagine if rte could get away with it they would never have made the move to digital. but don't question the license fees. something has to keep Joe Duffy feeding the housewives their daily dose of half truths and over exaggerated muck

PressTheButton wrote: »

Gone now! 'RTÉjnr' and 'RTÉ One +1' replaced with words: 'Test Service'.

Back again.

jamescc wrote: »

I would love to find out what children start watching the TV at 11:00am and don't bother with it at the weekend, absolute joke.
It reminds me of when rte would start up at 12:00 midday when half the day was gone.
I am beginning to wonder if there was not a mandate from the EU, if rte/government would have gone digital at all.
I would also wonder what our licence is paying for. But I am sure someone will tell me that.

A bit harsh! You could always look up the EPG and change the channel - cartoons on RTÉ TWO + TG4 right now. Not that I'm watching. :rolleyes: