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Advice needed please....

c_lady89

just looking for a bit of info on my rights, any info is gonna be helpful.

ok here goes,
somebody reported me to the gspca for supposidly mistreating my dog and not feeding him...which is complete rubbish.

the inspector came to my house to take my dog away and i agreed for her to take him for an assment as i have nothing to hide. the inspectors adviser called me yesterday sayin that my dog is happy and healthy after them doing there assment so firstly i asked when can i have him back and i got a reply basically her saying because i have 3yr old daughter its not a good idea for the dog to return home..yet she said the dog was fine. in my eyes this is just a sad excuse to return the dog.

id just like to know what my rights are regarding this and where do i stand legally.

thanks again.

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ISDW

Working dog food is generally higher in protein than pet dog food, as working dogs use more energy. It is also usually cheaper, in the UK, where that Welham Estates food comes from, working food is zero VAT, here in Ireland, it is reduced VAT.

The website for that food has absolutely no information on it at all, it doesn't say whats in the food, what the analysis is, i.e. protein, fat, oils etc. I wouldn't feed that to my dogs. I would actually suggest that you stick with the Lidls food rather than feed that new food, at least it comes from Germany where they have very high standards as to what goes into dog food. If you think your dog is skinny, just give him extra food.

The man who took your dog and who has recommended this Welham Estates food doesn't sell it by any chance does he? I've never heard of it, and I still can't get my head around your story of someone coming to your door and taking your dog away. Then you get the dog back and the person who returns it recommends a food that is really not well known at all.

c_lady89

well it has the labeling on the back of the bag forget what it all was but im going to use that till its gone..

in fairness no point in wasting it. but i will look to buy one of the brands you recomended

Tranceypoo

But is he a working dog? Otherwise you shouldn't be feeding him a food for working dogs, I imagine it would be higher in protein and may even make him a bit more hyperactive. As Shanao says, if the first ingredient isn't meat then it's probably a crappy food.

What breed dog is it as I'm sure others on here could recommend a good quality food, if it's a pedigree it may need a specific breed food.

If it's a mutt, well my two are mutts and I feed them on Barking Heads dog food which I get from Petworld, it's a tenner for a 2kg bag so not the cheapest but they both are thriving on it and my foster dog had a dodgy tummy and bad wind when I first got her but it sorted her out after a couple of weeks.

Just edited to add that just because the dog warden or so called 'expert' from the gspca recommends something I wouldn't take it as gospel, I mean they've already proved to you they're not exactly experts at animal welfare haven't they?!!

andreac

Sorry, but no harm, that food doesnt look like good quality at all, certainly not for that price.

I really would urge you to look into getting a very good quality food in a good pet shop like the ones i mentioned.
When it doesnt even list the ingredients on the site anywhere then you can alomost guarantee its not good quality...

Shanao

Had a look at the website, doesn't look like a very good quality food- when you click on details it doesn't even tell you what's in it. Tbh, I'd stay away from it and get a good quality food like one of the ones andreac mentioned.

OP- Is there a list of ingredients on the bag? The first ingredient of a good quality dog food should be a meat meal or dried meat.

c_lady89

just says worker complete on the bag and at the bottom says welham estate???

ISDW

c_lady89 wrote: »

i wouldnt have thought he was skinny but he wasnt fat either.

seems this workers food is for working dogs and is full of eveything they need. if he recomended it it has to be good. he said thats what he feeds his two rotties.

yeah he said to gradually reduce what i was feeding him and mix in the workers till hes off it..basically weening him off the other food i was feeding him.

im still not happy with them and there actions and will be getting back on to them over it, ill let it lay for today as he is home here with us now. maybe go to the chairperson of the gspca, and see what they have to say about the way this was delt with

Most pet food companies do a 'working' food, what is the brand?

c_lady89

i wouldnt have thought he was skinny but he wasnt fat either.

seems this workers food is for working dogs and is full of eveything they need. if he recomended it it has to be good. he said thats what he feeds his two rotties.

yeah he said to gradually reduce what i was feeding him and mix in the workers till hes off it..basically weening him off the other food i was feeding him.

im still not happy with them and there actions and will be getting back on to them over it, ill let it lay for today as he is home here with us now. maybe go to the chairperson of the gspca, and see what they have to say about the way this was delt with

CreedonsDogDayc

delighted he's home!

piperh

Can i just ask was he obviously skinny?

portgirl123

great news that you got your dog back. Just becareful changing over brands of food, dont do it all at once or you will give your dog a bad tummy,. do it gradually over a period of 5-7 days, decreasing his old food so edventually your just feeding him the new stuff

ppink

well you will always get odd personalities everywhere I suppose.

I dont know anything about the workers brand but if you are stuck and need advice on food this forum is usually quite good. some foods just will not suit your dog and thats it. there are so many out there now though it can be hard to pick and of course depend on your budget for the food.

andreac

What is the workers food?? Where did you get it? Lidl food is pure muck really, and unless i was very poor and on a very low budget i wouldnt feed supermarket food of any sort.

I suggest you go to a good pet shop and get a good quality food like Royal Canin, Burns, Red Mills, James Wellbeloved or Hills, there is plenty to choose from.

What breed is your dog again?

c_lady89

It was the optidog one from lidl.... didnt think anything of it picking it up for him, the man recomended to feed him workers.

seems the food i was feeding him he wasnt getting enough from it...
if i knew that i wouldnt have been feeding him it.
so off went my OH and got a bag of the workers food.

he said that he was a slight bit under weight but thats not a issure due to his age just the food i was giving him wasnt worth even buyin.

but all i have to say about that woman inspector is that she is nothing but a walking C***!

she has no people skills nor knows how to talk to a person in such a situation as when she came here.

andreac

What food was the dog on and what one are you going to feed him now?

ppink

so he was skinny then as a result of the food? sometimes it can be hard ot find the right food for you particular dog but I would have thought they should have discussed this with you first off rather than taking the dog?

anyway glad you got it sorted

c_lady89

hi guys.

had to wait till this morning to do anything as the ones that deal with this sort of stuff are not around at the weekends.
so they lady i spoke to on friday was an utter rude B****! i said my solicitor would be in touch on monday with her.

soooo....

got a call at roughly half 9 this morning from another inspector just as i was putting in credit to get back on to them.

he arranged a time to come to my house and speak with us over the matter.

long story cut short our dog is safe and sound back at HOME:)

no problem with the dog what so ever apart from the brand of food i was feeding him wasnt good for him so change that and bobs your uncle!!

thanks everyone for your help on this

cheers!!!

fatmammycat

Has there been any news on this poor dog?

Tranceypoo

OP, just wondered if there was any outcome to this situation yet?

fatmammycat

First of all you should NEVER have let your dog go, regardless of having nothing to hide or not. She could easily have looked the animal over and checked if it was underweight or in pain or had no shelter or whatever on site. ( I'm not saying this is the case, but in yard I worked years ago someone called the DSPCA complaining about the dogs and they came and rolled their eyes at the stupidity of the complaint once they saw the dogs)
Secondly, this animal is your property and they have no right to take your property for no reason. Go get your animal back ASAP before something dreadful happens. Did you sign paperwork to release the animal?

Discodog

It would appear that the GSPCA did not seize, steal, or take the dog. The owner agreed to let them take it. So it all boils down to what was said & agreed. Did you get a receipt for the dog ?. Do you have any witnesses to the conversation between you & the Inspector ?. I suspect that the dog would be released immediately if a solicitor called the GSPCA.

boomerang

OP when the lady took the dog, did she make you sign some paperwork? If so you may have unwittingly signed over the dog to the GSPCA and may not be able to get him back in the eyes of the law.

I cannot believe what I am reading here. :eek:

Tranceypoo

I'd be almost sure he'd be at the sanctuary, where abouts in Galway are you? Do you know where it is in Killimor? I can give you direction if you need them, or (ironically), there are directions on their website.

Honestly, in the past I have found it hard to get the gspca to respond to any reports of dogs or horses that I have phoned them on so I'm astonished that this woman just took the dog away on the story of one person.

I would head out to the sanctuary in the morning, as I said, take someone with you who knows the whole situation, don't know about you but if it was me I would be inclined to lose the head a bit so I would need someone to keep the situation calm, also to give you some support and help you stand your ground. If they flat out refuse to give the dog to you I would phone the guards in front of them and tell them that your dog that you reported stolen is here at the gspca, you have proof you own him (bring any vets receipts, pictures, licence if you have it, anything you can think of that could be used as proof it's your dog) and they won't give it back to you and you want to report them.

Also, would it be possible to get the ISPCA to call them on this, they're not affiliated I know but a call to reiterate to them what they have told you?

c_lady89

Tranceypoo wrote: »

Just to say, DO NOT LET THEM BULLY YOU, I have had quite a few dealings with the gspca and whilst they do have dogs best interests at heart, sometimes they can be a bit 'misguided' shall we say
They are NOT affiliated with the ISPCA
They DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO KEEP YOUR DOG

There will be someone there this evening and at the weekend, go and get your dog, bring someone with you who you trust but don't leave without your dog.

I'm actually infuriated reading this post. HOW DARE THEY!!!

just wondering where to go as they have not told me nor will they tell me where my dog is being kept.

which ISPCA said they cant keep that information from me.
so i will go tomorrow as its late now and it will more than likely be a long drive if he is in the sancutry.

c_lady89

sorry only letting ye know this now was on the phone to the Ispca.

the lady said to go to the guards and report him stonlen and to providde all the details i have of them and to make a formal complaint to the bord of gspca.

long story cut short i know exactly who reported me.....because all they want to do is cause as much trouble and stress for me as they can. making up bull to just to get at me....im goin up to the guards now to make a statement.

Sigma Force

We're only getting one side of the story here but it does all sound a bit odd.
Can't even get an warden or anything round here if there are loose dogs running around so suprised they went to so much trouble to get the dog and take the dog usually an animal would have to be in a bad way and behaviour wise many dogs are protective of their environment from toy dogs to terriers to labs.

Btw vets in general are not qualified to assess a dogs behaviour unless they have trained in this area they can give an assessment of health and general behaviour but can't give you an in-depth proffesional assessment unless they have the qualifications to back it up.

bitter_lemon

well i'm sure they had the dogs welfare in mind. i hardly doubt it was taken for no reason

Tranceypoo

Just to say, DO NOT LET THEM BULLY YOU, I have had quite a few dealings with the gspca and whilst they do have dogs best interests at heart, sometimes they can be a bit 'misguided' shall we say
They are NOT affiliated with the ISPCA
They DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO KEEP YOUR DOG

There will be someone there this evening and at the weekend, go and get your dog, bring someone with you who you trust but don't leave without your dog.

I'm actually infuriated reading this post. HOW DARE THEY!!!

Tranceypoo

Bookworm85 wrote: »

Hmmm,

OP this 'inspector' seems very suspicious.

I've never heard of a dog being removed for asessment before! An animal would have to be in fairly bad state before it is seized.

When you say she is legit, what do you mean? What organisation is she working for? Could she be a dog warden? If you know her name call the ISPCA and your local authority asap to confirm whether or not she belongs to them.

If she isn't affiliated with either go STRAIGHT to the gardai!

+1 million
I know you said you have nothing to hide but I still don't understand why you would hand over your dog, did this woman have any ID on her? Do you know where your dog is being kept? Can you go to where the dog is? I would literally be banging on the door to get to my dog.
I find this completely bizarre.
Do you know who reported you? Is it anything to do with your dog being a Staffy do you think?

Edited as I've just read page 2, I was so irate I didn't realise there was a page 2!!
I know exactly who you mean there is only 1 inspector for the GSPCA, I would be very very very surprised if they have any rights or power to keep your dog, is it being held at the gspca place in Killimor? If so I would be straight down there and I tell you, there's no way I'd be leaving without my dog.
I'm literally even more amazed reading page 2!!

ppink

c_lady89 wrote: »

i have contact details for her and her supervisor and everything checks out regarding names...

well the inspector said she wasnt trained to acess the dog and there vet would have to look at him.

she is an inspector for the galway spca.

I dont know how she can claim that OP..either the dog is underweight or not