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are you worried about the Queens visit?

lightspeed

Hi all just wondering what you all think of the queens visit scheduled for next Tuesday the 17th of May. I was not giving it much thought but with the latest republican activity in recent weeks and given that this is the Queen of the occupiers i can see how she would of course be a prime military target. I have exams on that day in dublin and my mother has to go for a check up at the hospital as well as my brother working in town so i am a bit concerned. I personally think its an outrage that she is coming cause i dont see the point?

Is it supposed to make us feel better that 25% of our country belongs to an empire with so much blood on its hands that when its queen comes to pay us a visit we will should embrace it? It is about as ridiculous as the time when the orange order marched in dublin, and is Britain going to pay any of the massive bill to clean up after the riots? If there was trouble with the orange order marching its mere fantasy fueled by wishfull thinking based on imagination to think that there wont be similar trouble with the Queens visit.

My father is worried about it and worrys that there will be war between the parmilitary groups which im divided on whether that would be such a bad thing? We are still occupied so why is it not worth war? I know that sounds horrible but if it would have avoided World War 2 should we have let Hitler take Poland? Was it right for terrorist organisations like the french resistance to form? If Germany never gave back austria you would probaly see an austrian terrorist group even though anybody today nobody would argue that Austria does not have the right to complete independance so why is Ireland different?
Why was it wrong for Germany to invade nearby countrys and right for the terrorist french resistance to fight against the occupying germans and yet today it is unreasonable for the IRA to continue to fight for Independance against a foreign occupation ? Isnt it confusing

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ShowMeTheCash

I honestly think people just need to grow up!
80% of small business rely on the UK British pound! A company would have absolutely no problem in taking the cash with the Queens head but want to kick up a fuss if she comes to visit.

Our economy is in the toilet ensuring good relations with the UK is in our best interests.

If we are not moving forward we are going backwards... As a nation we can take the high road or like children and throw a tantrum.

I think the original post was manipulative nonsense. I am scared of going to my exam and scared for my mother.... Making the queens visit the wrong thing in the case of a terrorist attack.

We have choices in life, hold on to sins of the past or that of our parents, cause in really not too many people in Dublin have suffered at the hand of the troubles and definitely not at the hands of the monarchy.

These kinds of views I am afraid hold us back and although in some cases where people hold a hatred due to some kind of loss it has no positive value other than to cause hostility.

Make a choice live in the past or look to the future!

later12

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

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Our economy is in the toilet ensuring good relations with the UK is in our best interests.

Eh, two points

If we didn't propose this scheme, you surely aren't suggesting that our good relations with the UK would be jeopardised?

Secondly, organising a highly contentious state visit likely to arouse trouble from our more amoebic citizenry (something I am sure QE2 would sympathize with, she lives close to Slough...) is hardly the most sure footed way of advertising good relations, is it.

PeterIanStaker

I just want it over and done with at this stage.

I've heard enough tripe off both the revisionist gobdaws and the armchair republicans to last a lifetime.

I just hope that some shower of scrotes who have just about learned to walk upright don't cause another Ulster march type farce that will just play into the greasy hands of the aforementioned revisionist twats, and give them an excuse to write their guilt trip spiel for another twenty years.

ShowMeTheCash

later10 wrote: »

Eh, two points

If we didn't propose this scheme, you surely aren't suggesting that our good relations with the UK would be jeopardised?

Secondly, organising a highly contentious state visit likely to arouse trouble from our more amoebic citizenry (something I am sure QE2 would sympathize with, she lives close to Slough...) is hardly the most sure footed way of advertising good relations, is it.

On you're first point, well you have no point it is a ridiculous argument.
You have jumped to a conclusion with no basis, bit like saying if 1 + 1 is not equal to 3 therefore it must be equal to 5.

Had it not been proposed I am sure it would have had no impact on Ireland UK relations. But guess what... it has been!

Amoebic citizenry or as I would put it "right wing" individuals will not have a positive impact on this country.

feicim

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576718/The-truth-about-Shergar-racehorse-kidnapping.html

Thirdly who gives a damn about borders these days? Its stone age stuff with globalisation, open borders, the internet and the Euro.

Historically speaking borders (economic, cultural and geographical) and what happens to them has always been quite important only a fool would not care about changes to a border...

serenacat

I have an exam too on that day!! But aside from this, I am worried too about her being a target but doubt the RIRA etc have the funds to actually carry a mission like that off, however there is worry that other bombs could go off in the North to distract from the visit.
I agree OP it is not worth the headache and money.

feicim

serenacat wrote: »

I have an exam too on that day!! But aside from this, I am worried too about her being a target but doubt the RIRA etc have the funds to actually carry a mission like that off, however there is worry that other bombs could go off in the North to distract from the visit.
I agree OP it is not worth the headache and money.

+1 a bomb going off ANYWHERE in the country would be headline news all around the world.

queen in ireland + bomb goes off (anywhere) in Ireland = big worldwide news.

Presumably if you are mad enough to be bombing stuff you are easily mad enough not to care about damaging irelands tourism potential reputation abroad (if we still have one that is).

another bright idea by our politicians...

LaBaguette

Living in Frederick street is now officially a pain in the arse. The gardai almost made to go to Mountjoy to go home from O'Connell, and it's still another two days before Lizzy comes around here.

PARKHEAD67

LaBaguette wrote: »

Living in Frederick street is now officially a pain in the arse. The gardai almost made to go to Mountjoy to go home from O'Connell, and it's still another two days before Lizzy comes around here.

Now, now, bow to her loyal lollipop. We all have to respect the royal geebag.After all, Britain never invaded Ireland.

gurramok

I had a stroll around the city centre yesterday, it didn't seem to be as packed as like on a normal Sunday so the disruption to business is already being felt. There was an air of menace too with all sorts of characters out and about despite the saturated Garda presence and witnessed some of our new immigrants having an argument with Gardai at Parnell st as they were ordered to go the long way home towards Dorset st the grand tour way.

junder

I am sure when your president vists the uk she has her garda close protection team with her, kind of thing you expect from a visiting head of state

JustinDee

gurramok wrote: »

I had a stroll around the city centre yesterday, it didn't seem to be as packed as like on a normal Sunday so the disruption to business is already being felt

The fact that the Queen is arriving on Tuesday kept crowds away on the previous Sunday did it? I suppose thats why the RDS was only so-so full for the Leinster game too and why there are still Roger Waters tickets for sale? lol

gurramok

JustinDee wrote: »

The fact that the Queen is arriving on Tuesday kept crowds away on the previous Sunday did it? I suppose thats why the RDS was only so-so full for the Leinster game too and why there are still Roger Waters tickets for sale? lol

What are you trying to say?

junder

JustinDee wrote: »

The fact that the Queen is arriving on Tuesday kept crowds away on the previous Sunday did it? I suppose thats why the RDS was only so-so full for the Leinster game too and why there are still Roger Waters tickets for sale? lol

Still roger water tickets for sale? How long is he playing for?

irish_bhoy82

Its the eve of the Queens visit and there has already been numerous bomb alerts in Dublin, most of which have not been reported on fully as the government dont want to make a big deal out of it...and this afternoon it has been let known there has been a controlled explosion in London earlier this morning......
Do you think they are going to let up.....hooligans are the least of our worries.....

As much as we go on about Peace on this Island etc etc, minority dissidents etc etc..... Any one that thinks the Queen's visit is going to Pass off smelling of Roses.....Is not Living in the Real World!!

later12

irish_bhoy82 wrote: »

Its the eve of the Queens visit and there has already been numerous bomb alerts in Dublin

I am aware of three recent alerts, from friends working in certain city centre locations who were evacuated. Pretty strange that bomb alerts are not making much news; one in particular didn't even feature anywhere on the news, I think the one in Guinness got minor coverage, as well as the one in Merrion Square.

gurramok

I spotted the media getting an escort through Phibsboro traffic by 2 unmarked Garda cars this evening. Convoy consisted mostly of BBC NI trucks with a RTE one thrown in, talk about bringing VIP treatment to a new level!

lightspeed

Just a thought but did her visit need to be made puclic? Could she not have save some of the commoners of britain some money and got a cheap ryanair flight over and then just call rte up and say the queen is here with enda and the president and pose for some photos? It would have saved all the bother and all the royal loving folk could still have some photos to put in their scrap books. Seriously why did it need to be such a public visit

Jelle1880

lightspeed wrote: »

Just a thought but did her visit need to be made puclic? Could she not have save some of the commoners of britain some money and got a cheap ryanair flight over and then just call rte up and say the queen is here with enda and the president and pose for some photos? It would have saved all the bother and all the royal loving folk could still have some photos to put in their scrap books. Seriously why did it need to be such a public visit

Really ?
The first visit of a British monarch since the independence of the Republic, and it shouldn't be made 'public' ?

I don't think anything will happen.
Some protests, a few preemptive arrests maybe.

wnolan1992

I gotta say I've got a very bad feeling about the whole thing... I'll say now before I go on that I'm a Republican, and would rather she didn't come at all(just out of principles, I'm sure she's a lovely person.)

However, I've made my peace with the fact it's happening.

What terrifies me is that the dissidents or Al Queda or whoever, will actually attack in some way shape or form. This would be catastrophic for the peace process, which imo is bringing us closer(however far it may be) to a United Ireland than any amount of senseless violence by the IRA.

Another issue I have is that the North has been getting more and more unstable lately, with bomb threats, the murder of that poor PSNI lad a few months back, and I think this visit could destabilise it even more.

I truly hope I am wrong, for everyone's sake.

Kev217

What makes me sick, is that these are the type of people that are against the Queens visit:

Could they even point out the UK on a map?

junder

The Irish president invites the queen over and you have Irish citzens making bomb threats And Irish citzens threading protests and it's still the fault of the 'brits'

JustinDee

junder wrote: »

The Irish president invites the queen over and you have Irish citzens making bomb threats And Irish citzens threading protests and it's still the fault of the 'brits'

Its 'de famine and all dat'...

Explosive device found on a bus not far from where I live late last night. Made safe by Army. Thirty people were on that bus. It isn't some mad mullah or loopy fundamentalist doing this. Its an uneducated savage who has no inkling what democracy is or what the people on this island voted overwhelmingly for. In short, an ignorant fascist who when no doubt caught will be treated as such. A coward who has most likely never been in a conflict scenario and will skulk behind balaclavas and Army Surplus store clothing with a snare drum. Anyone who supports these loolahs also needs an education...or something to do.
Animals.

luckyfrank

Fingers crossed the visit goes off without to much controversy, im a little nervous that these dissident scum will make a show our country

Traitors the lot of them going against the will of the irish people

Jelle1880

Kev217 wrote: »

What makes me sick, is that these are the type of people that are against the Queens visit:

Could they even point out the UK on a map?

Don't want to get into the whole debate, but I saw a picture of some protesters with signs like that, one of them was wearing a Celtic jersey :rolleyes:

FUNKY LOVER

I doubt this bomb on a bus.seems like perfect propaganda to finish off republicans once and for all.

ap1986

god forbid anything was to happen but she is going to all the famous landmarks around dublin.........so thats an easy target...its hardly a needle in a haystack

pablomakaveli

This is another picture of Eirigi supporters i saw on another thread.

It honestly looks like a bunch of junkies were given placards and told to march. I wonder are some eirigi protestors just a rent-a-mob.

alan85

Kev217 wrote: »

What makes me sick, is that these are the type of people that are against the Queens visit:

Could they even point out the UK on a map?

I think that's incredibly snotty and snobbish of you. Just because you think they look some way does not mean they are the way you think they are. How do you know he doesn't read up on Republican ideals and Trade Union history? Maybe he thinks the whole visit is a hypocriscy as I would myself given the amounts being forked out to create an image and project a false reality (€30m will get you that)?! You my friend have shown yourself to be more small minded than him from my vantage point. Did you talk to them? #smallmindism

dan_d

Yes I'm worried. I'm worried a TINY percentage of people will embarass the hell out of us by doing something stupid. We have had so much bad press right now, we don't need more, be it the Queen or Obama or bomb alerts or anything.

Mind you, it would probably blow up in their faces in that if they actually managed to cause harm the entire country would turn against them....

I was supposed to be in town (the city, I'm a north county Dublin-er!) tonight and tomorrow night. Tonight's cancelled - the people running the activity in question think it's better to stay away from there completely. Tomorrow I'm not sure about, but I am a bit nervous about going in. And as for the football in the Aviva tomorrow night - good thing it's a bunch of Europeans. Hopefully they don't have a full understanding of what's going on and will be able to enjoy the match without worrying too much. If it was any Irish/English team, I can safely say I wouldn't go near the place.

Worried? yes. Not about the Queen. But you can never account for stupidity and there's a whole lot of it out there when it comes to this stuff.