The Israeli wrote: » ask them nicely to leave?
Phill Ewinn wrote: » What a horrible thread. No wonder this country is fvcked up. Some of you here belong in the zoo, or marching to a drum with your hand in the air. Hope I never have to meet any of you.
lastlaugh wrote: » Can anyone give me proper justification why Israel continues to illegally settle on what is considered occupied territory? If people are continually being shat on, how can you expect anything other than violence?
Phill Ewinn wrote: » What a horrible thread. No wonder this country is fvcked up.
Some of you here belong in the zoo, or marching to a drum with your hand in the air. Hope I never have to meet any of you.
thegreengoblin wrote: » It truly amazes me how so many supposedly educated people can row in so enthusiastically behind a state which is represented by a terrorist organisation
which counts the maniacs of Iran as allies and which openly expresses a wish to see its neighbouring 'pigs' wiped off the face of the earth. Yes, Israel has done plenty of wrong in its past and should never be above international law. But blowing up buses packed with innocent men, women and children is as low as you can get. When the Palestinians get rid of the murdering, fascist thugs in Hamas then there might be a shimmer of hope. That's the real problem.
thegreengoblin wrote: » But blowing up buses packed with innocent men, women and children is as low as you can get.
The Israeli wrote: » Ask yourself: Around 140 people bridging a barbed wired fence. They call to free Palestine and urge into the nearby village of Megdel Shams. Some of them are armed with stones. Now it's a matter of time: Behind them there are thousands that want to do the same. Among them there are terror groups that would like to use this opportunity and infiltrate into Israel. How would you act instead of Israel? Like really.. talk to their hearts? ask them nicely to leave? Accordingly to Israel by the Israeli fire 2-4 Syrians have been killed and dozens were wounded. The rest, accordingly to Israel were killed and wounded by the Syrians. Now, you may not believe to the Israeli numbers, but would you believe to the Syrian numbers? The same syrians who have killed hundreds of their own and tried to distort the truth about what is happening in their country? Why did the syrian army didn't stop these demonstrators? What could Israel do otherwise? Israel was prepared for this day, but failed to unticipate the border bridging. A border which is 200 kilometers long. You all should know that if Israel wouldn't have opened fire (the order was to fire to the legs) and didn't restrain itself (yes, it did) the outcome could be thousands of Syrians in Israel, Syrian terror groups including Hizbalah and Al Qaeda too maybe. Hundreds would have died and a serious shake to the stability in the region. Before you blame, think. If you have any military experience you would know that there was no other quick and effective way to stop the deterioration at the border beside opening fire, at that time, with the means that Israel had at that place. Aagain, soldiers were ordered to shoot to the legs, the orders are always to the legs. But soldiers are humans, and they may miss the legs of moving people. You wouldn't be any better at this. Sounds horrible to some delicate ears, but it's the reality that some of you probably don't know and fail to understand. You can suggest how to stop a moving inflamed crowd from crossing the border and after crossing how to get it back, and if you were too slow how to deal with the situation, because the infiltrated terrorists inside of Israel could reach a significant number within several hours. Again, every death of a cevilian is tragedy, but in reallity, they knew the risk, THEY LED TO IT, and their tragic death saved many many deaths of others, Israeli deaths and Syrian deaths.
thegreengoblin wrote: » It truly amazes me how so many supposedly educated people can row in so enthusiastically behind a state which is represented by a terrorist organisation which counts the maniacs of Iran as allies and which openly expresses a wish to see its neighbouring 'pigs' wiped off the face of the earth. Yes, Israel has done plenty of wrong in its past and should never be above international law. But blowing up buses packed with innocent men, women and children is as low as you can get. When the Palestinians get rid of the murdering, fascist thugs in Hamas then there might be a shimmer of hope. That's the real problem.
brimal wrote: » This thread is full of 'armchair commentators' who love nothing more than to jump on bandwagons. Would be interesting to see how many of them actually visited Israel or their surrounding Arab neighbours. I was over in Israel this past week and I was there for the first 2 days of trouble. I saw first hand the 'protesters' at work. In Jerusalem, The Old City was awash with Arabs causing nothing but trouble. It didn't look like a 'peaceful protest' to me. Spitting, screaming, throwing stones at police & IDF. Also intimidating tourists, damaging buildings, etc. When you see adult protesters handing stones to kids you have to really wonder who's responsible that kids get injured/killed in these situations. I am not taking sides in the bigger picture. Both Israel and it's neighbours need to do more to work on this. They have both committed serious atrocities. I'm just telling you what I saw, first hand. Instead of most of you relying on media and propaganda to fuel your sometimes warped views.
FlutterinBantam wrote: » Aaah now, steady up man, that's the truth you are speaking. Doesn't go down too well in these parts, the lads like to have someone to spill their bile on, so coming up with the truth kinda spoils their party. Away with you now, and don't be bringing the truth into these threads, that's not why they are started. Just a vehicle to spew out the long churning sour hatred of anyone or anything who tries to do something positive like defending their citizens.
Hookah wrote: » His post kinda correlates with the opening poster's; the protestors had stones. What am I missing here?
FlutterinBantam wrote: » His whole point I would suggest.:rolleyes:
wes wrote: » So when Israel kills innocent civilians, I take it you don't think its "as low as you can get"? Dropping white phosphorous on civilians not low enough either?
Hookah wrote: » The thread is about protestors with stones being killed. The poster above confirms the protestors had stones. What truth am I missing?
FlutterinBantam wrote: » He said he saw the first two days!! I doubt if he saw everything.:rolleyes: But I'll let him speak for himself, it's only manners.
ISDW wrote: » I totally support Israel's right to exist, I went and worked on a kibbutz there in the late 80s, had a fantastic time, met lovely people on the kibbutz and while travelling around the country, of all religions. I do not understand however, how Israel can treat people the same way that the Jewish 'nation' have been treated throughout history. But then, I also don't understand how Irish people can be racist and anti-immigrant given our history. The way that Israel treats the Palestinians is wrong in my opinion, however, they do have a right to protect themselves, which I think is what they did this weekend. Syria has a bit of an agenda at the moment to deflect what is going on, what better way than to make the eyes of the world look at their Jewish neighbours. The Western world needs to put pressure on Israel to treat the Palestinians with more respect and to allow them to live normal lives. However, the arab countries around Israel also need to do the same. The Palestinians are used as pawns by the whole region, and this is what needs to be changed. Yes Israel is in occupied territories, but most countries in that region are in some way. A lot of the middle eastern countries didn't exist in their present form until the empirical Western countries divided the area up and formed those countries. I don't know the answer to this, but Israel does have a right to defend itself. Maybe in 20 or 30 years time, if the people of the countries in that region have been successful in their attempts at democracy, things will change and there will be peaceful coexistence.
Dudess wrote: » Just because people are critical of Israel's bullying doesn't mean they support Hamas. I despise Hamas too - I despise any of those who inflict violence on others. I'm not interested in taking sides, I just condemn those who brutalise. But unfortunately in this debate there are people who cannot function without taking a "side". I don't see critics of Israel backing Hamas though, but I do see Israel "supporters" praising its military. A state uniform doesn't legitimise terrorism however...
Cassidy Obnoxious Tonsillitis wrote: » who the hell but a Palestinian would bring a child to a border incursion.
Pauleta wrote: » I think the tactic of the stonethrowers was to lure the Iraelis closer how one they could attack them with proper weapons. I fully agree with tactics of the Israeli's.
Predalien wrote: » The actions of Israel have continually led to surges in support for Hamas, when you treat people the way Israel has the Palestinians it's natural for people to resort to the more extremist viewpoint, why did IRA membership surge during internment and after Bloody Sunday? QUOTE] And look what supporting the IRA did for Nationalists in Northern Ireland. There's a lesson there for the Palestinians to heed but I somehow I don't think they'll pay any attention.
Hookah wrote: » Shoot them dead because they might have attacked with other weapons?
Freddie59 wrote: » "Civilians". Yeah. With the terrorists in the queue behind them - putting the kids out front as usual. No surprises there then.
Flutterinbantam wrote: " Politics forum for these threads surely? .
thegreengoblin wrote: " When the Palestinians get rid of the murdering, fascist thugs in Hamas then there might be a shimmer of hope. That's the real problem. .
brimal wrote: " I was over in Israel this past week and I was there for the first 2 days of trouble. I saw first hand the 'protesters' at work. In Jerusalem, The Old City was awash with Arabs causing nothing but trouble. It didn't look like a 'peaceful protest' to me..Spitting, screaming, throwing stones at police & IDF. Also intimidating tourists, damaging buildings, etc.
Pauleta wrote: " think the tactic of the stonethrowers was to lure the Iraelis closer how one they could attack them with proper weapons
thegreengoblin wrote: " And look what supporting the IRA did for Nationalists in Northern Ireland. There's a lesson there for the Palestinians to heed but I somehow I don't think they'll pay any attention.
