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Can Gardai ask you where you're going?

Jimmy Garlic

Came across a checkpoint tonight. All well and good the usual, then the Guard asked me where I was going. I told him it was none of his business then he got a bit cranky and leisurely walked around the car with my licence in his hand to waste my time. Do they think that this is the Soviet Union or something?. What right have they to ask people where they are going?.

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Biggins

yourpics wrote: »

from Citizens Information:
Common law powers...

Etc

Yes, I know about the regulations under COMMON LAW but have you bothered to read the two previous afore mentioned (by myself - and there are others too) law acts which further expand and extrapolate upon the (very) short basics which are contained within Common Law situations?

At the end of the day, the law is on their side when they show justification or have reason to have some.
Anyone that decides to try and be a smartass, for what ever reason, is quite honestly sowing the seeds of the result they get - and they might not like it!

yourpics

Fair enough, you say - read the Criminal Justice Act 1984 or even the Criminal Law Act 1997 in relation to "reasonable cause" for gods sake!

What reasonable cause did a garda have to ask me my occupation?? Strange line of questioning for the traffic corp!

Biggins

yourpics wrote: »

...What reasonable cause did a garda have to ask me my occupation?? Strange line of questioning for the traffic corp!

I won't lie or bluff to try and say I know - but simply hazarding a guess, might they be inquiring as to occupations to see if it matches up with what your saying if you have previously said where your going to or coming from? (or other reasons, sometimes specific to time and place or recent events?)

I do know they have a number of sublet techniques taught to them and others learned over time that come across as simple questions but when asked in a specific way, can render or hint towards give away answers.

yourpics

Biggins wrote: »

I won't lie or bluff to try and say I know - but simply hazarding a guess, might they be inquiring as to occupations to see if it matches up with what your saying if you have previously said where your going to or coming from? (or other reasons, sometimes specific to time and place or recent events?)

I do know they have a number of sublet techniques taught to them and others learned over time that come across as simple questions but when asked in a specific way, can render or hint towards give away answers.

Probably just being nosey lol
he seemed pleasant enough though

Biggins

yourpics wrote: »

...he seemed pleasant enough though

Well if it had been in America, Americans would have joked that he/she had just gotten their coffee and donuts!

hondasam

Biggins wrote: »

I won't lie or bluff to try and say I know - but simply hazarding a guess, might they be inquiring as to occupations to see if it matches up with what your saying if you have previously said where your going to or coming from? (or other reasons, sometimes specific to time and place or recent events?)

I do know they have a number of sublet techniques taught to them and others learned over time that come across as simple questions but when asked in a specific way, can render or hint towards give away answers.

If I was asked where I worked I would tell him/her to piss of. They have no right to ask your occupation.

Biggins

hondasam wrote: »

If I was asked where I worked I would tell him/her to piss of. They have no right to ask your occupation.

Well you could try doing that but in all honestly, if you not answer and do it in a non-polite way, we all know how that will go down.
Why bring the good possibility of all that upon yourself when with answering with one word or two, you could be soon on your way and be glad to at least put a Garda at ease that indeed we're all not criminals.

westendgirlie

jive wrote: »

Yes they do. I always get stopped driving home from a night out because I'll be wearing a shirt or jumper. I always get breathalysed when done up. On occasions when I wasn't dressed up I was waved on every time

You were wearing yellow wasn't ya? Don't ya know yellow clashes with pink!!! :pac:

hondasam

Biggins wrote: »

Well you could try doing that but in all honestly, if you not answer and do it in a non-polite way, we all know how that will go down.
Why bring the good possibility of all that upon yourself when with answering with one word or two, you could be soon on your way and be glad to at least put a Garda at ease that indeed we're all not criminals.

I cannot imagine why any guard would ask your occupation. I agree be polite, answer and move on which I would. It's all about how they ask the question. majority of them are sound.

the candy man

i hate it when people give out about the gardai, its being plain hypocritical because if your house is broken into or your assaulted they are going to be the first people you are going to ring. its a gardai's job to ask questions, solve crime, enforce safety on the roads, etc , so there is no point being a smartass when they ask you a simple question such as ''where ar you headed'' which has quite a simple answer. You are only going to draw attention upon yourself.

Bosco boy

HellFireClub wrote: »

One thing that never ceases to amaze me is the pure pig ignorance of the Irish Garda... You see video clips of cops in the US stopping people in a car who are irrational and off their heads, throwing abuse at the cop, but the cop always manages to treat the person with total respect and courtesy, regardless of whether there is an offence committed or not.

But back on Craggy Island, you could drive into a checkpoint and be under no misdemeanour and you can be sure of one thing, you will be spoken to in a snide, cynical and rude manner from the very outset.

There's a guy called rodney king who might disagree with you!

MagicSean

jive wrote: »

Yeah I'm black and have bleached white eyebrows and a tattoo which extends from ear to ear across my face.

No you aren't. Pics or gtfo.

jive wrote: »

Would you consider me memorable now?

No. Remarkable but not particularly memorable. I don't try to remember what people look like unless I have reason to.

jive wrote: »

Also a man in a pink car is memorable. If a guard doesn't remember a man in a pink car then he's in the wrong job. I know you will argue your point that obviously this doesn't make me worth remembering but anyone with half a brain would be able to recognise that a man in a pink car is a rarity and therefore should stick out. Lol @ you for trying to imply otherwise.

You say this yet you post this

jive wrote: »

It is wrong of you to assume that I cannot get a girlfriend because I am the proud owner of a pink car. I am awfully offended by this. I fear that you are insinuating that pink is associated with homsexuality. Pink is just a colour just like blue. I am offended.

I laugh so hard when people are 'offended'. LOL. What difference does it make to your life that you are now 'offended'? I'll tell ya - no difference. The best part about people who write complaints into ofcom and the likes about being 'offended' by a broadcast is initially there might be a few hundred complaints or so. People then go and look for the clip which may cause offense and then several thousand complaints pour in. Life: ya got none

So people should remember you but shouldn't pay attention to you. Either your pink car is noteworthy or it isn't. Make up your mind. I'm sorry to burst your ego but I don't see anything particularly interesting in a person driving a pink car.

jive wrote: »

Also I like how you never replied to me in the gun thread lololol. I win, you lose. 2-0 me.

I didn't see it. If it means so much to you I'll respond to it.

jive wrote: »

Wrong. They don't have the freedom to ask anyone any question.

Yes they do. It's a freedom available to everyone in the country.

jive wrote: »

What you fail to realise is that's not how the job is done. It may be how they check for slurred words at a checkpoint but that isn't applicable to all scenarios.

Checking for slurred words is only one reason. There are many other things that can be revealed by the way a person responds to a question.

jive wrote: »

If I am walking along the road (just walking, wearing clothes, nothing else to draw attention) and a guard questions me where I'm going it is harassment. I have the freedom of mobility.

Yes he can ask you a question. I suggest you look up the word harassment. It cannot occur as a result of one incident.

jive wrote: »

Also with regards to checkpoints you have no legal obligation to co-operate. It's none of his concern where you're going and if you really don't want to tell him then ask under what provision of law he has stopped you to whind him up. The guard will either hassle you (he can't do much if your car is in full working order, taxed, insured etc.) or more likely let you go.

If you read my post you will see that you have just reiterated my point. You don't have to answer but a Garda can still ask.

Wheelie King

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Came across a checkpoint tonight. All well and good the usual, then the Guard asked me where I was going. I told him it was none of his business then he got a bit cranky and leisurely walked around the car with my licence in his hand to waste my time. Do they think that this is the Soviet Union or something?. What right have they to ask people where they are going?.

Why did'nt you just answer the question. Hardly the soviet union where they would have demanded a bribe it was just a simple question.

markc1184

I can never understand why people just can't be polite at a checkpoint. I'm 26 and drive a Subaru so I have been stopped at plenty of checkpoints in the past. I've always been polite and answered any questions that needed answering. I'm reaping the rewards of it now though because it is easily at least 2 years since I've been stopped at one despite seeing them fairly regularly around my way and i'd safely say it's because I chose to be polite to them when I needed to. At the end of the day they are only doing a job and IMO if you respect them they will respect you a lot more.

gman2k

the candy man wrote: »

i hate it when people give out about the gardai, its being plain hypocritical because if your house is broken into....

I know a good few people whose houses was broken into, and after they contacted the gardai, they felt they had wasted their time.
I had a car stolen on me one time, and again I contacted the gardai & went to the nearest station to make an official report etc. I would have got a better response and more interest if I had reported it to the parish priest.

The only reason people bother to contact the guards after a breakin/ car theft etc is to cover themselves re insurance policies.
Crimes against property in this country are not taken seriously, and it's not necessarily the fault of individual guards, as resources are limited.
In fairness, I was robbed at knifepoint whilst working in a shop one night, and after the panic alarm was activated, they were there within 5 mins, they are good with dealing with crimes against the person.

MagicSean

gman2k wrote: »

I know a good few people whose houses was broken into, and after they contacted the gardai, they felt they had wasted their time.
I had a car stolen on me one time, and again I contacted the gardai & went to the nearest station to make an official report etc. I would have got a better response and more interest if I had reported it to the parish priest.

The only reason people bother to contact the guards after a breakin/ car theft etc is to cover themselves re insurance policies.
Crimes against property in this country are not taken seriously, and it's not necessarily the fault of individual guards, as resources are limited.
In fairness, I was robbed at knifepoint whilst working in a shop one night, and after the panic alarm was activated, they were there within 5 mins, they are good with dealing with crimes against the person.

In general there's not much that can be done with thefts and burglaries unless there is some evidence left behind or recovered. CSI and NCIS have people disillusioned. Just as an example, in Ireland you can't trick confessions out of people like you can in the states. You can only do simple question answer interviews. Neither can you use a persons silence against them like you can in the UK. In one interview I saw the suspect took of his shoes and used them as a pillow to sleep on the floor while he was asked questions. This kind of thing cannot be shown to a jury. Neither do we have big crime labs to analyse evidence nor databases to compare any evidence to.

tayto lover

hondasam wrote: »

I cannot imagine why any guard would ask your occupation. I agree be polite, answer and move on which I would. It's all about how they ask the question. majority of them are sound.

Well now if he asked you " How do you account for those big knives you have on the back seat"? and you say "i use them for work Garda" and he says "what do you work at" as he is entitled to do so as those knives contravene some act like the Offensive Weapons Act then it would be wise to answer the question and correct for him to have asked it. A simple answer like "i am a butcher " would suffice. If there was a serious assault with a knife used in the locality he would be entitled to ask and would be foolish not to. Stop trying to best people who are doing their job.
Of course he is allowed to ask what you work at.
The lack of basic cop on is unbelievable.
Why does everyone want a confrontation with the gardai. We employ them to keep us and the roads safe in the first place.

kkdela6

the guards have a sh1te enough job as it is hanging around the roads on cold nights without self righteous dickheads making it worse.

i've been stopped before. 'where are ya going'. waterford city. 'have ye drink taken'. no. 'we'll have to conduct a compulsory breath test'. ok fire away...... 'thank you very much for your co operation sir' no problem.

and with that i go home to a nice cup of tea and bed while they spend the next few hours freezing their arses off. who cares what they ask ya. its not like their infiltrating your human rights. get over yourselves and be thankful somones doing something to help prevent crime in the area.

you'd be glad of a bit of small talk after spending a lonely hour on a cold dark road

Our man in Havana

its not like their infiltrating your human rights

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Bruthal

kkdela6 wrote: »

and with that i go home to a nice cup of tea and bed while they spend the next few hours freezing their arses off.

Well thats life, not everyone that has a job is in work at the same time amazingly enough.

Biggins

Our man in Havana wrote: »

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Indeed and judging by a few here with chips on their shoulders, they would rather have Gardi standing around doing nothing, stopping no one and questioning no one than actually being out there and trying to catch crime!

With some ignorants, you just can't win!

kkdela6

robbie7730 wrote: »

Well thats life, not everyone that has a job is in work at the same time amazingly enough.

and not everyone has a job in which they carry out duties for the benefit of society almost thanklessly

AudreyHepburn

I think the problem here, apart from the fact that this country has a serious lack of respect for its police force, is that people are assuming that if the Gardai stop it's because they think you doing something illegal.

Newsflash folks, there are many reasons, which have mentioned and ignored over and over here, why they might stop.

Here are some of them again;

They are testing your sobriety.
There has been a crime/accident in the locality and they are looking for peole who might have been in the area at the time to see if they saw anything.
They are look for a particular person or perhaps a shipment of illegal drugs/weapons etc they believe has been brought to the area.
They are trying to stop people speeding- keeping the road safe.
They are making sure people have their licenses/insurances - again to keep the roda safe.

But you if refuse to co-operate or get shirty with them they will obviously and rightly assume you are up to something.

Co-operate and be respectful and you will have no trouble.

It really is not that hard folks.

AudreyHepburn

Biggins wrote: »

Indeed and judging by a few here with chips on their shoulders, they would rather have Gardi standing around doing nothing, stopping no one and questioning no one than actually being out there and trying to catch crime!

With some ignorants, you just can't win!

The thing is though they would bawl the Gardai out for that too.

I'd hate to be a Garda in this country, you'd never get anything ignorance and disrespect thrown at you even if you'd saved some-one's life.

Bruthal

kkdela6 wrote: »

and not everyone has a job in which they carry out duties for the benefit of society almost thanklessly

Yes but saying you were going home while they continued at the checkpoint. Well thats because they were in work at that time, while you were not. Many people would be thankful of a relatively secure job these days.

And the thanks people get for doing their chosen job is getting paid. But i do take your point as well. Some aspects of the job would not be too pleasant at all.

Im not saying people should get annoyed by being asked questions at a checkpoint. I dont see any problem being asked any questions at a checkpoint myself. I wouldnt like the questions if i was just after robbing a post office though.

Biggins

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

The thing is though they would bawl the Gardai out for that too.

I'd hate to be a Garda in this country, you'd never get anything ignorance and disrespect thrown at you even if you'd saved some-one's life.

Aye, they are damned if they do - and damned if they don't!
Again, with some folk, they just can't give any consideration as to the tasks in hand which the Gardi have to do.

Boiled down to the absolute truth - look, I might some time not like being stopped day or night and given the third degree, maybe especially when I might be in a hurry or have an important appointment, etc... but I hope I do have the decency to see that the Gardi are doing a task which for a start is not easy, is up-hill and at the end of the day is for the benefit of all.
Its a necessary job, like it or not - and quite honestly I'm very grateful they are doing what they are doing.
When I am home a few minutes later after being stopped by them, as I am resting watching TV or having a cup of tea, its nice to know that they are still out there trying in their own way, to make our country a more peaceful one and less crime-ridden.

Some people are just ungrateful whelps!

K-9

markc1184 wrote: »

I can never understand why people just can't be polite at a checkpoint. I'm 26 and drive a Subaru so I have been stopped at plenty of checkpoints in the past. I've always been polite and answered any questions that needed answering. I'm reaping the rewards of it now though because it is easily at least 2 years since I've been stopped at one despite seeing them fairly regularly around my way and i'd safely say it's because I chose to be polite to them when I needed to. At the end of the day they are only doing a job and IMO if you respect them they will respect you a lot more.

Waits for "but they have to earn my respect" posts!

Fecking tiger cubs.

hondasam

tayto lover wrote: »

Well now if he asked you " How do you account for those big knives you have on the back seat"? and you say "i use them for work Garda" and he says "what do you work at" as he is entitled to do so as those knives contravene some act like the Offensive Weapons Act then it would be wise to answer the question and correct for him to have asked it. A simple answer like "i am a butcher " would suffice. If there was a serious assault with a knife used in the locality he would be entitled to ask and would be foolish not to. Stop trying to best people who are doing their job.
Of course he is allowed to ask what you work at.
The lack of basic cop on is unbelievable.
Why does everyone want a confrontation with the gardai. We employ them to keep us and the roads safe in the first place.

If you had big knives in the back seat he would be doing more than asking your occupation.

we were on about been stopped at a CP, no guard has the right to ask your occupation as a random question.

SirDelboy18

KeithM89 wrote: »

Shouldve told him you were going to 'finish what you started' then sped off....

Been a long time since I've laughed so hard at a comment

Biggins

hondasam wrote: »

...we were on about been stopped at a CP, no guard has the right to ask your occupation as a random question.

I was thinking about that - and the thought occurred to me... What would be the best answer that would embarrass a person asking it? :pac:

"Officer, I'm a dildo tester. Well some one has to do it!"