jive wrote: » ha·rass·ment a feeling of intense annoyance caused by being tormented. If you are frequently being stopped by guards for no reason then yes, it is in fact, harassment.
Terry wrote: » Actually you do. Also, you're welcome.Nope Answer the questions and move along.I do Read that again, and then check up on the rest of the laws.Nope, just highlight where I am incorrect like a good god I appreciate your suggestion, but I will not be taking your advice. I spend very little time attempting to be condescending. In fact, I don't need to make any attempts at being condescending. It comes quite easily to me. In saying that, I did not mean my replies to be condescending. I apologise if they came across in that way.cool story bro Please do not call me a Prince. I prefer my official title. In future I expect you to call me 'God'.check Agreed. Now cheer up and have a beer or something.Alcohol is a depressant
jive wrote: » I don't need a law degree to practice law but thanks for the suggestion.
When have I ever wasted the time of Gardaí? I already said I answer the questions, read up. Also you'd be hard pushed to waste a guards time at half 2 in the morning at a checkpoint on an empty road. I don't even know how I'd go about it.
There already is a law preventing them from asking needless questions. You can only be stopped or questioned by a Garda in accordance with law. "Any person (note: including a Garda) who, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, wilfully prevents or interrupts the free passage of any person or vehicle in any public place is committing an offence under Section 9 of the CRIMINAL JUSTICE (PUBLIC ORDER) ACT, 1994”.
I suggest you read up a little before you unleash on your keyboard in an attempt to be condescending.
Good night sweet prince.
I agree with you saying people need to lighten up a bit. Asking you where your going is a harmless question and if you really don't want him to know you could always *gasp* lie. If you get offended by someone asking where your going you should really consider topping yourself
x in the city wrote: » Tell him you are going to meet the missus for a ride. then ask him his plans for the night?
Biggins wrote: » ABSOLUTE RANTING COBBLERS! 1. "They don't have the freedom to ask anyone any question." * Yes - They god-damn do.
Biggins wrote: » ABSOLUTE RANTING COBBLERS! 1. "They don't have the freedom to ask anyone any question." * Yes - They god-damn do. They have been given the legal powers to do so. In the interests of the safety of the public and property, they are indeed allowed to ask simple questions of anyone. If you think different - you have your head up your arse with bucketfuls of stupidity!I have the right to free movement and passage, personal privacy and bodily integrity. A guard does not have the right to 'disabuse' you of those rights ... "save in accordance with the law" (Article 40, Irish Constitution). 2. "If I am walking along the road (just walking, wearing clothes, nothing else to draw attention) and a guard questions me where I'm going it is harassment. " * More absolute pure ranting, ill-thought out mindless schite. Put the chip on your should to one side for just a minute and actually think! Do crooks go down the street wearing a sign that says "Crook". Do they wear outstanding clothes all the time that make it obvious that they are up to no good? Seriously! No, they wear most of the time the same clothes that you and I wear. So the Gardi stop nornal dressed people occasionally that they suspect might be up to no good - and guess what - thats actually part their god-damn job! Because cooks don't go around wearing said signs, they job is hit and miss sometimes and you know what! Till the likes of you and I start telling the Gardi out straight who the ruddy crooks are by pointing them out, they have to do this hit and miss effort to play catch-up with the thugs and robbers, etc of this world! Go get a grip!No most of the time they look like nackers. Sorry to not be PC but its true. Again, you can only be stopped or questioned by a Garda in accordance with law. 3. "I have the freedom of mobility." * Well bloody good for you! So do we all! The Gardi are not stopping you from being mobile. They are pausing you for a safe moment or two in your long, long life - if only see that others lives are also safe too! Freedom of mobility? Are they holding you down while they ask you a question or two? More absolute stupidity!refer to above 4. "...with regards to checkpoints you have no legal obligation to co-operate" * More uninformed, idiotic cobblers. Gardi have "qualified privileges" to assist them in the course of their duties. As part of that, if a member of the public is requested to fulfill a simple duty, answer a simple question or assist the Gardi, unless they can show immediate cause not to comply with a Gardi in the course of his duties, I can assure you, you WILL be charged with failing to comply with the Gardi in the said course of his/her duty. The constitution actually allows for this (look it up you might learn something for a change) in that no citizen is to be deprived of liberty except save that in accordance with the law and those carrying it out. Go read the Criminal Justice Act 1984 or even the Criminal Law Act 1997 in relation to "reasonable cause" for gods sake!If a Garda cannot, will not, or refuses to use 'the law' by invoking a relevant act (such as Public Order Act or Road Traffic Act or whatever) then you do not have to engage or cooperate with him in any way. He must invoke the law to use the law ... in accordance with the law! If he refuses, he is not acting in accordance with any law and you should invoke your rights to personal liberty and go about your business. 5. "It's none of his concern where you're going..." * YES - IT BLOODY IS!No, it's not. 6. "..and if you really don't want to tell him then ask under what provision of law he has stopped you to whind him up." * Yes, please do that - and see where it gets you. If its behind bars or in a court room for wasting Gardi time, you deserve it for carry out such stupid, thickheaded actions!It's perfectly within my rights to ask him that question. If that gets me behind bars then I would look forward to my day in court. O' and do us all here a favour and actually look up the meaning of the term "harassment". Being stopped on a very rare (if once at all in your life) to be asked a question is not harassment. The levels of stupidity in this country astounds me sometimes!ha·rass·ment a feeling of intense annoyance caused by being tormented. If you are frequently being stopped by guards for no reason then yes, it is in fact, harassment.
jive wrote: » It is wrong of you to assume that I cannot get a girlfriend because I am the proud owner of a pink car. I am awfully offended by this. I fear that you are insinuating that pink is associated with homsexuality. Pink is just a colour just like blue. I am offended. I laugh so hard when people are 'offended'. LOL. What difference does it make to your life that you are now 'offended'? I'll tell ya - no difference. The best part about people who write complaints into ofcom and the likes about being 'offended' by a broadcast is initially there might be a few hundred complaints or so. People then go and look for the clip which may cause offense and then several thousand complaints pour in. Life: ya got none
jive wrote: » Wrong. They don't have the freedom to ask anyone any question. What you fail to realise is that's not how the job is done. It may be how they check for slurred words at a checkpoint but that isn't applicable to all scenarios. If I am walking along the road (just walking, wearing clothes, nothing else to draw attention) and a guard questions me where I'm going it is harassment. I have the freedom of mobility. Also with regards to checkpoints you have no legal obligation to co-operate. It's none of his concern where you're going and if you really don't want to tell him then ask under what provision of law he has stopped you to whind him up. The guard will either hassle you (he can't do much if your car is in full working order, taxed, insured etc.) or more likely let you go.
Bosco boy wrote: » I don't think the Garda would believe him as he's talking to a guy driving a pink car!
Terry wrote: » Go and get a law degree. Put your knowledge of pointless laws to good use instead of wasting the time of the Gardaí every time they ask you a question. Just answer the question and move on. Don't like that solution? Get elected and push or a law preventing the Gardaí from asking members of the public where they are going. Not happy with that one? Get the boat.
Jimmy Garlic wrote: » Came across a checkpoint tonight. All well and good the usual, then the Guard asked me where I was going. I told him it was none of his business then he got a bit cranky and leisurely walked around the car with my licence in his hand to waste my time. Do they think that this is the Soviet Union or something?. What right have they to ask people where they are going?.
HellFireClub wrote: » If you think it's bad here you should throw an eye into Personal Issues, can't get over the amount of people completely depressed there...
Terry wrote: » I stayed away from AH for a while because of all the anger.
KeithM89 wrote: » Shouldve told him you were going to 'finish what you started' then sped off....
Sonnenblumen wrote: » Attitudes like this make Checkpoints a bigger hassle. A bit of cop on goes a long way.
jive wrote: » Yeah I'm black and have bleached white eyebrows and a tattoo which extends from ear to ear across my face. Would you consider me memorable now? Also a man in a pink car is memorable. If a guard doesn't remember a man in a pink car then he's in the wrong job. I know you will argue your point that obviously this doesn't make me worth remembering but anyone with half a brain would be able to recognise that a man in a pink car is a rarity and therefore should stick out. Lol @ you for trying to imply otherwise. Also I like how you never replied to me in the gun thread lololol. I win, you lose. 2-0 me.
jimpump wrote: » sure i got stopped at a check point a few days ago in coolock after smoking some skunk in the car......and they just let us on our way. they either dont have a clue or dont give a crap
HellFireClub wrote: » Best thing is ask him/her for their Garda ID and the name of her/her super and what station they are attached to. I never fail to be surprised at the basic lack of manners and courtesy from Gardai...
jive wrote: » ask under what provision of law he has stopped you to whind him up. The guard will either hassle you (he can't do much if your car is in full working order, taxed, insured etc.) or more likely let you go.
jimpump wrote: » but the thing is i rolled down the window for the bean guarda and was ****tin it cos i thought she would search us for weed...but she just sent us on our way she must be a stoner herself!
k_mac wrote: » I never said you had to answer the questions. Gardaí have the freedom to ask anyone any question. It's how the job is done. There are many reasons for asking seemingly random questions other than simple nosiness.
