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Vote YES or NO here for a United Ireland.

Adrian009

Just picking up on a line of discussion elsewhere. As we all have our reasons and I want to keep this simple, please don't write anything except a Yes or No. Voting closes at 1.00 a.m tonight. Cheers!:D

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CreepingDeath

No, don't want the Nordies.
Bunch of angry loonies in fairness.

If the Brits want to give us back the North, then I think we'd deserve serious compensation/war reparations to take responsibility for it.

AnonoBoy

A United Ireland would mean the end of cross-border shopping trips that's for sure.

ancapailldorcha

I've lived in the North, nice country so I'm voting no.

raymann

i think it would be the thing that finnaly did us in. lets get the 26 counties sorted first and worry about the rest later.

Aoifey!

I'd like a United Ireland, but can't see it happening.

Adrian009

wow, its just like a real election, watching the votes rise and rise, and putting bets on who wins!:D I oughta do a poll thread every day!;)

GerM

We can't take care of ourselves. Why would we want another 1.8m people? And 1.8m people who are accustomed to being extremely well funded by their government at that.

Pauleta

Apart from not losing out on money for people shopping up north, i honestly cant think of one good reason for it to happen. I cant see how it can possibly benefit us.

Badgermonkey

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Red diesel, Windsor Park, Joey Dunlop, cattle rustling, Julian Simmonds, Give My Head Peace, Jonny Adairs celebrity Alsation etc.

Same island, different folks, more in common with eachother than with us or those in mainland Britain.

*waits for the mainland britain point of order.

Wolfe Tone

Pretty sure we did this before...

spider guardian

I would like to see it happen some day but at the moment we don't even have the money to change all the road-signs into irish!

Adrian009

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Pretty sure we did this before...

oowwww wow! what was the result?

Wolfe Tone

Adrian009 wrote: »

oowwww wow! what was the result?

100 pages of the same arguments we had before, pretty sure a majority said they would like a UI.

Regardless, if a referendum was held on an all island basis, we would have a UI.

AH has a disproportionate amount of what I can only describe as "Irish unionists" and if such a referendum where to held in the 26 the "yes" side would easily win. Unification is a stated aim of every major political party.

Adrian009

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

100 pages of the same arguments we had before, pretty sure a majority said they would like a UI.

Regardless, if a referendum was held on an all island basis, we would have a UI.

AH has a disproportionate amount of what I can only describe as "Irish unionists" and if such a referendum where to held in the 26 the "yes" side would easily win. Unification is a stated aim of every major political party.

When it comes to voing for UI, I really wonder do people vote because they actually have thought about it, or because "its tradition"? Remember, a substancial number of these people once voted Fianna Fail.

pablomakaveli

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

100 pages of the same arguments we had before, pretty sure a majority said they would like a UI.

Regardless, if a referendum was held on an all island basis, we would have a UI.

AH has a disproportionate amount of what I can only describe as "Irish unionists" and if such a referendum where to held in the 26 the "yes" side would easily win. Unification is a stated aim of every major political party.

I'd disagree, there is a higher proportion of republicans on here than in general society.

Also technically shouldnt the ones who want unity with northern ireland be referred to as the "irish unionists"?

sensibleken

Adrian009 wrote: »

When it comes to voing for UI, I really wonder do people vote because they actually have thought about it, or because "its tradition"? Remember, a substancial number of these people once voted Fianna Fail.

whats traditional about a uterine infection?

landsleaving

Why does no one ever consider making Norn Iron a sovereign country of it's own?

pablomakaveli

landsleaving wrote: »

Why does no one ever consider making Norn Iron a sovereign country of it's own?

It probably wouldnt do well on its own.

KnifeWRENCH

In theory, yes. I would like a united Ireland but only if it was achieved through peaceful means without anymore bloodshed. And that's never going to happen.

So ideally, yes. But realistically, no.

StupidLikeAFox

AnonoBoy wrote: »

A United Ireland would mean the end of cross-border shopping trips that's for sure.

They would just be called shopping trips

landsleaving

pablomakaveli wrote: »

It probably wouldnt do well on its own.

I suppose, just seems kinda strange that it never comes up. Most countries want independence, not a tug of war between two different countries they want to take charge.

And before anyone asks, yes I know the history there, but it's been a country of it's own for a long time now, maybe if they just had total independence they'd have less to fight about.

Einhard

I voted AJ. I'd like a United Ireland, but only is a substantial majority in the North wished it too. The idea of deciding such a contentious, divisive issue on the basis of a 50% + 1 poll is, IMO, wrong. It would lead to chaos up North as a massive minority were forced into a state with which they want nothing to do. I know that that is the case with the Nationalists at present, but at least that is the status quo, and they have accepted the situation, to an extent. To turn around and state that, as of tomorrow, or next month, the 6 counties will be part of the Republic would lead to violence and chaos on the streets, and throw the entire country into tumult. So, yes, I want a united Ireland; i don;t want it though until a significant majority desire the same.

Wolfe Tone

pablomakaveli wrote: »

I'd disagree, there is a higher proportion of republicans on here than in general society.

Also technically shouldnt the ones who want unity with northern ireland be referred to as the "irish unionists"?

lol pull the other one. Most republicans have been chased off of here, and other nationalists just keep their gobs shut and look on from afar.

Wolfe Tone

Einhard wrote: »

I voted AJ. I'd like a United Ireland, but only is a substantial majority in the North wished it too. The idea of deciding such a contentious, divisive issue on the basis of a 50% + 1 poll is, IMO, wrong. It would lead to chaos up North as a massive minority were forced into a state with which they want nothing to do. I know that that is the case with the Nationalists at present, but at least that is the status quo, and they have accepted the situation, to an extent. To turn around and state that, as of tomorrow, or next month, the 6 counties will be part of the Republic would lead to violence and chaos on the streets, and throw the entire country into tumult. So, yes, I want a united Ireland; i don;t want it though until a significant majority desire the same.

This is the "shifting of the goalposts" that many GFA supporters fear, and many anti GFA people point to. Its been signed up to, its 50+1.

123balltv

I voted no just for the moment we have no dosh
I would'nt mind becoming part of Northern Ireland they get free healthcare I cant afford to visit A&E €100 plus whatever it is now this
government is robbing me I cant see the North paying for banks either they
woulld'nt stand for it

Wolfe Tone

Einhard wrote: »

I voted AJ. I'd like a United Ireland, but only is a substantial majority in the North wished it too. The idea of deciding such a contentious, divisive issue on the basis of a 50% + 1 poll is, IMO, wrong. It would lead to chaos up North as a massive minority were forced into a state with which they want nothing to do. I know that that is the case with the Nationalists at present, but at least that is the status quo, and they have accepted the situation, to an extent. To turn around and state that, as of tomorrow, or next month, the 6 counties will be part of the Republic would lead to violence and chaos on the streets, and throw the entire country into tumult. So, yes, I want a united Ireland; i don;t want it though until a significant majority desire the same.

This is the "shifting of the goalposts" that many GFA supporters fear, and many anti-GFA people point to as a reason not to support it, the Brits cant be trusted and they will simply change it down the line. Its been signed up to, its 50+1.

You are advocating that the GFA should be abandoned then?

raymann

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

lol pull the other one. Most republicans have been chased off of here, and other nationalists just keep their gobs shut and look on from afar.

most of us think that a united island will only ever happen or indeed work if its done by peaceful means with an overwhelming concencus from our friends up north on both side of the religious divide.

for me the best way to do this is to make the 26 counties seem like such an attractive proposition that the next generation see it as killer move politically and economically as well as culturally.

we really had an opportunity to do that, but the ironically named republican party have ran us into the ground. if you were a protestant from there wavering about your decision, you would have to be bat**** crazy to climb aboard this trainwreck.

Einhard

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

This is the "shifting of the goalposts" that many GFA supporters fear, and many anti GFA people point to. Its been signed up to, its 50+1.

I realise that. I can acknowledge reality, and yet still disagree with it. No shifting of the goalposts at all.

I'm not that enamoured by a United Ireland that I'd be willing to see blood shed for it. Is it worth more death, murder, and chaos? Not IMO. certainly don;t want to live in a state where a large minority live in sullen, and often violent resentment.

Logical Fallacy

sollar wrote: »

Threads like these normally reach about 100 pages unless they are closed earlier

Yeah but it's normally about 4 people arguing the same ****e they have argued in a dozen other 100+ page threads.

Da Shins Kelly

I feel like it's a bit more complex than simple 'yes' or 'no'.