Monty Burnz wrote: » Very interesting. So it seems the richest family on earth (according one CT) are trying to fool the public into believing that UFOs are aliens paying us visits. It looks like Lefticus Loonaticus has either fallen for this trick by the Rockerfellers, or perhaps he is working for them to spread the story? Which is it?
Fundog wrote: » Some interesting evidence herehttp://www.examiner.com/coast-to-coast-radio-in-national/robert-john-koontz-implants-alien-abductees-are-definitely-extraterrestrial Opinions?
The Incredible Fridge wrote: » .Maybe all the UFO's are earthy and part of some military project. Maybe at some point in time there will be a massive "simulation" of some kind to bring the world together ,who knows.http://www.x-ppac.org/OSTP.html
The Incredible Fridge wrote: » The other thing is that the disclosure project was initially set up by Laurence Rockerfeller which make me a little suspicious.
The Incredible Fridge wrote: » The other thing is that the disclosure project was initially set up by Laurence Rockerfeller which make me a little suspicious.Some part of this disclosure project is most likely for their own ends.Maybe all the UFO's are earthy and part of some military project. Maybe at some point in time there will be a massive "simulation" of some kind to bring the world together ,who knows.http://www.x-ppac.org/OSTP.html
Monty Burnz wrote: » But then I'll just be asking silly questions like 'who made the documentary?', 'what is their motivation?', 'can these people provide any evidence for their claims?', and 'why should I believe any of this?'...
Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: » Go a few pages back and watch the disclosure project witness testmony documentary I linked, many highly credible people talk about it. Its very well documented how the issue slipped from government in the early years and went into private corperations, such as lochheed martin and others. Its 2 hours long yeah, but you need not ask silly questions ever again after watching it, its that good I swear .
The official invitation to discuss UFOs privately came in an August 4, 1993 letter from Rockefeller to Gibbons. The informal roundtable discussion was to be held September 13-15, 1993 at Rockefeller’s JY Ranch in the Teton Forest near Jackson Hole Wyoming. Along with representatives from Gibbons office, Richard Farley, Rockefeller, Henry Diamond, Dr. Scott Jones, Dr. John Mack, Dr. Bruce Maccabee, Dr. Leo Sprinkle, Linda Moulton Howe, Dr. Steven Greer, and Keith Thompson attended.
Monty Burnz wrote: » I hate to ask, but....evidence?
Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: » The US gov has technology that must be kept secret, thats far more important than any money for nasa.
Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: » If you look hard enough you can find HD versions im sure, I had one before of the tether incident. Ufos have been around for thousands of years, plently of historical evidence. Its only recently we learned to fly ourselves, so its only recently we can identify them as other vehicles/get radar info about/ fly close up to them etc etc. People hundreds of years ago would have thought they were magic or dragons or whatever else. The romans called them shields in the sky.
robtri wrote: » one reason, NASA would be rolling in the cash.... If UFO's where solidly proven NASA would get an unlimited budget.... be in their interest and everyone working there....
nullzero wrote: » Why would NASA be shouting that from the rooftops? Is the search for ET's NASA's primary area of interest? Are NASA not an organisation funded by the US government? The same US government that is so often the focus of conspiracy theories and cover up allegations in this very forum and beyond?
MagicMarker wrote: » So why would NASA themselves deny that they are UFOs? Proof of the existence of extraterrestrials would be something they'd be shouting from the rooftops.
NTMK wrote: » how come these videos are always shot with crap cameras and how come ufo sightings only really kicked off in the 40's when the jet aircraft was developed?
digme wrote: » i'd love there to be aliens here, but as you said all we have is guys saying there's aliens here and a few videos.
Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: » Theres an insurmountable level of videos, released government files, witnesses and documentaries which all point to the undeniable truth that ufos are indeed real and that we arnt the ones driving them.
Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: » Your taking about physical evidence, of course theres none, are you looking for an alien to knock on your door? Theres an insurmountable level of videos, released government files, witnesses and documentaries which all point to the undeniable truth that ufos are indeed real and that we arnt the ones driving them.
Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: » Im not imagining anything, im only saying what is in the video. They go behind the tether, and they are clearly ufos. Heres a dude who does a little commentry on it, its from a documentary a few years back, cant for the life of me remember his name or who he is, some aero-nautics or ex astronaut guy or somthing.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gh_OD2-gQY I do love you guys, but I would respect his opinion over the lot of you, no offence. The tether incident is not an isolated incident, its happened before, with the footage being just as good. Look here -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPFmh-LTkuw Nasa were trying to get a visual on the Mir space station, but the place gets flooded with orbs/ufos, many of em shooting by fast aswell. Heres another one aswell. This one is from the STS-80 columbia, very famous footage.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJyuQVIFdKo Shows ufos floating around above the atmosphere, then all lining up in a circle and flashing really brightly, with the one in the center flashing the brightest. Clearly under inteligent control and communicating with eachother, or even sending a message to the camara man, who knows. Whether people want to accept it or not, there appears to by traffic in space that aint us.
digme wrote: » Simple fact is there is not one piece of evidence to suggest there is any aliens visiting us.
namloc1980 wrote: » Well I'll give you one thing, you have a very vivid imagination. Even the guys over on AboveTopSecret realise this is nothing more than a poorly focused camera, light scattering and over exposure.
Wolfe Tone wrote: » This is something I have always had an interest in but know quite little about besides what I have read about Roswell. I believe, and always have, that there is life, intelligent life on other planets. I am certainly open to the idea that they have, and currently do "visit" Earth. After all, we fly to different planets to gather rocks and soil, why wouldn't they do something similar? I certainly believe that if they where governments would cover it up. So anyway,what do you guys feel is the best evidence to support the theory that alien life visits this planet? Inadequately explained sightings, abduction accounts, pictures, unusual phenomena etc?
Wolfe Tone wrote: » What plugin do I need to view the videos on that?
zenno wrote: » heres a link for people that want to read older ufo reports from the 1800's up to the present day. some interesting reports on this ufo problem. http://www.ufocasebook.com/casefiles.html
Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: » To answer your question, its is absolutely impossible that these things are anything else other than giant ufos. The ONLY other alternative is that nasa faked it on purpose. This is very unlikely obviously. It was filmed with some special camara or somthing like infra red or ultraviolet, this is why its all glowly and why the some of the ufos seem to be see-through. They are actually not visable to the naked eye. Theres other videos on youtube that show the trajectory of the ufos and you can see some of them doing turns and changing direction very sharply. You can also make out the specific shape of the ufos, they all seem to have a notch cut out of them. Some of them are also pulsating very brightly. Notice the camara man trying to change the settings to get rid of them, but he or she cant.
Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: » Why is there a cover up about ET civilizations? The answer to that is very long and complex. There are many reasons, its about money, power, religion, history, politics and technology. One of the main reasons is that the USA does not want everyone to know that they are not the boss. Nasa are a military wing of the US government btw, they do what they are told. Not withstanding that they do awesome work on alot of things, but the ET question is not in their control.
Guys, let's do some mathematics here. To say in advance, this is NOT any footage of aliens floating around and feeding on energy, and the objects are not even unidentified. They are small (and I mean small) frozen waterdrops previously ejected from some tank on the space shuttle. They do NOT change direction, and they are not even pulsing. So if you are a die-hard believer and don't want to get disappointed, then skip this post. Othwerwiese read on. First of all, NASA would not hide the fact that they saw something mysterious. The fact that there's something out there would increase their budget immensely for coming projects, and hundreds of scientists within NASA would surely not keep their mouth shut about this. Mankind has been craving for evidence of extraterrestrial life for decades. Why do you think there' something like SETI ? (http://www.seti.org) Btw, SETI projects are sponsored by NASA. And just because some NASA ground technician doesn't immediately understand the "things swimming in the foreground" in the footage, does that mean its extraterrestrial? Why do conspiracy people doubt obvious "flag on the moon" photos, and then fall for such a simple optical illusion? Also, why are they so quick to calculate the size of the blobs in relation to the tether, but don't question the size of the tether itsself? Here's the (mathematical) explanation. First the facts: - The tether is 20 km (~12 miles) long, and only a meter in diameter - The footage shows an aspect ratio (length of the tether, divided by it's diameter) of 12:1 - The actual aspect ratio, based on the facts, is 20.000:1 Even if we were to assume that the tether broke before it was fully extended, we would NEVER ever get close to the "observed" 12:1 aspect ratio. So, where does this obvious discrepancy come from? In the footage, the tether should be 1.600m in diameter, when in fact it's only 1m. Even to a viewer of the footage, who does not do this equation, the tether seems much too wide in relation to its length. In other words: you are not seeing the actual tether, but an overcontrasted hallow of a very thin black pole VERY far away (> 100 km), that has gone through some image enhancement inside the infrared camera. Now, don't you think these "enhancements" apply to all objects in the footage? On top of that, the intense light of the sun, it's position, and the curvature and diffraction of the lens do their part on the actual image. You are seeing ALTERED REALITY. You can read on in the wiki article on "diffraction". If you scroll down to the chapter "Diffraction limit of telescopes", there's a nice image that resembles the blobs in the footage. However, this time it's not about stars, but about tiny frozen particles NEAR the shuttle that are way out of focus. Also from Wiki: "Even if a lens is designed to minimize or eliminate the aberrations described above, the image quality is still limited by the diffraction of light passing through the lens' finite aperture." So, things to watch out for when looking at the footage again: 1. Some of the flying blobs have two notches that change size and position as they move, and their circular shape distorts towards the edges of the frame. These are typical optical effects when changing the position of objects in relation to their light source. 2. The pulsing of the blobs comes from the frequency of the camera's power supply or some electromagnetic waves in the shuttle. In fact, even the outside rim of the footage seems to have this pulsing effect. Remember your flickering television, or a computer screen that starts to wiggle when your mobile phone is connecting to the nearest antenna. It's as easy as that. No aliens feeding on energy. 3. The "changing of direction" of the blobs results from the zooming of the camera and the curvature of the lens. 4. The observation, that the blobs seem to travel BEHIND the tether, is an illusion coming from the contrast enhancement of the camera and the fact, that the actual thether is only a tini black rod inside the enhanced hallow you are seeing. The tiny frozen drops also have this enhanced hallow. The actual drop is the tiny black (out of focus) spot inside the hallow. Remember what astronaut Franklin says in an answer to the "swimming things" from the technician at ground control: "it's illuminated by the Sun at such a low angle, so there's a lot of stray light". You would never be able to tell (in the poor resolution of this footage), whether an out-of-focus and overexposed water drop between 10 to 100m distance of the shuttle is before or behind a massive rod at 100 km (!) distance. It's an optical illusion. Did you ever believe that a rainbow actually touches the ground at the position you are seeing it? Your brain is inclined to those kind of illusions. So people, don't SEE WHAT YOU BELIEVE, but BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE. If you can't see "aliens feeding on energy" without the notion of a doubt, then don't believe it! To quote another similar thread: "Don't be a believer or a non-believer. Be a thinker and a questioner, and you will be more than either." I know it would be just too cool to be true, to finally find another form of life out there, and I'm sure some day we will. But I'm sorry, NASA did not find one yet, and surely not on this tether mission. About me: I'm a computer scientist and software developer in the field of image processing and enhancement. My company is located in Munich, Germany. If you want to see what I'm doing, click on the link below. Henning Kuerstenhttp://www.CodedColor.com There's more to a picture...
