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Downtime wrote: »

Keep your knickers on!!!

No, you keep your knickers on! They're obviously off.

karlitob wrote: »

I didn't question you as to whether you was correct or not. I said it was illegal after your quote. You asked where was the law. I gave back the correct law. I didn't say there was a law that specifically stated you could not jump a tackle.

Keep your knickers on!!!

castie wrote: »

The reason to pick it is thats its guaranteed. The other options you mentioned come with risk.

Have you ever even played rugby? If you have you would know that its not a 'guaranteed' play. They all come with risk.

And before you get another set of knickers in a twist, I have no issue with those who have not played rugby.

Downtime wrote: »

Which is what I already quoted (incorrect reference m not k) It does not specifically relate to a tackle or jumping a tackle which is what I am after, although could be applied as I already said.

I didn't question you as to whether you was correct or not. I said it was illegal after your quote. You asked where was the law. I gave back the correct law. I didn't say there was a law that specifically stated you could not jump a tackle.

castie wrote: »

21.5 SCORING A GOAL FROM A PENALTY KICK

(a) A penalty goal can be scored from a penalty kick.

Sorry what? How about you read the laws before spouting crap to people.

Keep you knickers on - ding dong. If you looked at Law 21.5 b) directly underneath my incorrect Law 21.5 a) you would see what you're looking for. But again, as I say, read the laws. If you did, you would have read that

karlitob wrote: »

Law 21.5 a - read the laws. Forfeit kick and penalty for ungentlemanly conduct.

Guaranteed?? There is no play guaranteed in rugby. If you've lasted 80 mins and can't pick and go then you shouldn't be on a rugby pitch. The safest option here is tap penalty (ball on ground for tap) and set up a ruck, then kick direct to touch. Why would you kick the ball away if you want to secure it?

21.5 SCORING A GOAL FROM A PENALTY KICK

(a) A penalty goal can be scored from a penalty kick.

Sorry what? How about you read the laws before spouting crap to people.

karlitob wrote: »

Law 10.4 m

Which is what I already quoted (incorrect reference m not k) It does not specifically relate to a tackle or jumping a tackle which is what I am after, although could be applied as I already said.

Downtime wrote: »

Id love to see the reference in law as I cant find it

Law 10.4 m

karlitob wrote: »

It is illegal - dangerous play.

Id love to see the reference in law as I cant find it

castie wrote: »

I cant see anything in the laws that you must aim for the posts though.

The reason to pick it is thats its guaranteed. The other options you mentioned come with risk.

Law 21.5 a - read the laws. Forfeit kick and penalty for ungentlemanly conduct.

Guaranteed?? There is no play guaranteed in rugby. If you've lasted 80 mins and can't pick and go then you shouldn't be on a rugby pitch. The safest option here is tap penalty (ball on ground for tap) and set up a ruck, then kick direct to touch. Why would you kick the ball away if you want to secure it?

karlitob wrote: »

No, my understanding is that if you point to the point you have to kick for the post. Obviously, miskicks etc are taken into account.

If someone did that, I'd let play go on.

Also, why would you choose that way to waste 30 seconds. Go for the lineout and then kick into touch. If you can't rely on your lineout then go for a scrum and then kick it away. If you can't rely on either of those, then take a tap penalty and set up a ruck, maul or indeed run the other way and kick the ball into touch.

I cant see anything in the laws that you must aim for the posts though.

The reason to pick it is thats its guaranteed. The other options you mentioned come with risk.

bazzajf wrote: »

I have a question relating to the laws of the game.

If a player takes a drop at goal and his drop goal attempt bounces 5 yards short of the goalposts and then goes over the crossbar, what happens?

Nothing - you missed, play on. Ball in open play. If it crosses the dead ball, then 22 out. If it stops in the goal area, then whoever touches down gets 22 out or try?

bazzajf wrote: »

My second comment is an observation, I am uncomfortable with the instances when referees allow ball-carrying players to get up and continue running after being brought down by exclaiming "NOT HELD", this is in direct conflict with the law directing tacklers to release the tackled player straight away. A grey area which the IRB needs to address.

Not really, if they are not held in the tackle then they are entitled to get up because its not a tackle. A tackle is when a ball carrier is held on the ground by an opposition player. If the ref has shouted 'Not Held' then its not a tackle. If he shouts 'Release' then release. I think it is well ref'd actually. My observation is that players who arent held in the tackle usually have a lot of momentum and are able to get up easily. It allows the game to flow so they can offload.

castie wrote: »

Munster game tonight.

Penalty at the end inside Munster half and ref said there was time for lineout with 30 secs left.

Even though its completely out of range, could Warwick point to the posts waste 1 minute then aim a shot into the stand to end the game?

No, my understanding is that if you point to the point you have to kick for the post. Obviously, miskicks etc are taken into account.

If someone did that, I'd let play go on.

Also, why would you choose that way to waste 30 seconds. Go for the lineout and then kick into touch. If you can't rely on your lineout then go for a scrum and then kick it away. If you can't rely on either of those, then take a tap penalty and set up a ruck, maul or indeed run the other way and kick the ball into touch.

Downtime wrote: »

There is no specific law in relation to jumping a tackle - it is not illgeal. However I would say it comes under law 10.4 (k) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure. Penalty: Penalty Kick

It is illegal - dangerous play.

Downtime wrote: »

In theory yes. Sure though the 'smash' will be worse if you are in the air?

Nothing to do with 'theory'. Its against the law - cant jump a tackle - dangerous play.

almighty1 wrote: »

May already have been asked but what about this.

Im running along with the ball and foresee that Im gonna get smashed by a couple of the oppostion players. I jump into the air just before they make contact and they take me out in the air.

Do I get a penalty?

An emphatic NO!!! In fact, I'd give you a yellow for jumping a tackle. It is SO dangerous to jump into a tackle. Its rugby, not American football.

Munster game tonight.

Penalty at the end inside Munster half and ref said there was time for lineout with 30 secs left.

Even though its completely out of range, could Warwick point to the posts waste 1 minute then aim a shot into the stand to end the game?

bazzajf wrote: »

My second comment is an observation, I am uncomfortable with the instances when referees allow ball-carrying players to get up and continue running after being brought down by exclaiming "NOT HELD", this is in direct conflict with the law directing tacklers to release the tackled player straight away. A grey area which the IRB needs to address.

I don't believe that that is in direct conflict. It is two different laws. I do however agree with what you are saying. Whether or not there is a tackler, if a player is held and brought to ground he must play or release the ball. He cannot get back up. It is not refereed well.

bazzajf wrote: »

I have a question relating to the laws of the game.

If a player takes a drop at goal and his drop goal attempt bounces 5 yards short of the goalpots and then goes over the crossbar, what happens?

It must go over on the full.

bazzajf

I have a question relating to the laws of the game.

If a player takes a drop at goal and his drop goal attempt bounces 5 yards short of the goalposts and then goes over the crossbar, what happens?

My second comment is an observation, I am uncomfortable with the instances when referees allow ball-carrying players to get up and continue running after being brought down by exclaiming "NOT HELD", this is in direct conflict with the law directing tacklers to release the tackled player straight away. A grey area which the IRB needs to address.

Downtime wrote: »

There is no specific law in relation to jumping a tackle - it is not illgeal. However I would say it comes under law 10.4 (k) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure. Penalty: Penalty Kick

http://www.rugbyrefs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6934

Seems your correct alright but that its considered dangerous play.

castie wrote: »

Your not allowed jump into a tackle as far as I remember and its a penalty against you.

There is no specific law in relation to jumping a tackle - it is not illgeal. However I would say it comes under law 10.4 (k) Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure. Penalty: Penalty Kick

Risteard

Not allowed jump a tackle, I'm sure that covers whether you're running or standing still.

What amazes me is that no one pings Shane Williams for it as he does it all the time.

almighty1

castie wrote: »

Your not allowed jump into a tackle as far as I remember and its a penalty against you.

Ok if I stop dead in my tracks and just hop on the spot.

Its an interesting topic though because if somebody is diving for the line and is tackled. Then the tackler took him out in the air + the potential try-scorer wasnt jumping into a tackle.

Downtime wrote: »

In theory yes. Sure though the 'smash' will be worse if you are in the air?

Your not allowed jump into a tackle as far as I remember and its a penalty against you.

almighty1 wrote: »

May already have been asked but what about this.

Im running along with the ball and foresee that Im gonna get smashed by a couple of the oppostion players. I jump into the air just before they make contact and they take me out in the air.

Do I get a penalty?

In theory yes. Sure though the 'smash' will be worse if you are in the air?

almighty1

May already have been asked but what about this.

Im running along with the ball and foresee that Im gonna get smashed by a couple of the oppostion players. I jump into the air just before they make contact and they take me out in the air.

Do I get a penalty?