dlofnep wrote: » Interesting how it's always the character of the protesters that's attacked, rather than the essence of their debate - the mass sell-off of our resources.
professore wrote: » Of all the things to protest about in this country, the shell pipeline must be 1 millionth on the list. And to think my taxes are paying for there losers.
CommuterIE wrote: » To me, the whole protest has been blown out of proportion... A lot of the protesters have very little education... we seen one woman on RTE news claiming she'd be scared if her cousin crossed the road, fearing the pipe under it would explode! The Shell pipeline will be built, no matter what these local protesters say... they've certainly been pissing off the Gradai for the last number of years... THE PIPE WILL BE BUILT, get over it and go back to doing whatever you do :mad:
professore wrote: » What about the 70 billion gone into the banks. That's real wealth. At least we get 25% of the gas. I have a lot more respect for the cement mixer guy.
Humans eh! wrote: » Money, exchequer, revenue..... is that it ?????? Is that all that matters ??? The relentless worship of money and revenue is what has us in the current financial mess we have been thrown into. C'mon, whoever bandies around the 'much needed revenue' argument ..show us the figures and the sources please. Any so called revenue that will come in will be handed over to pay for the monumental f**k ups that The Bertie Corporation caused in the first place. In a world of dwindling resources we are so quick to hand over a vital resource that could enrich the lives of the beleaguered Irish in decades to come and not just patch a hole for the mistakes of the few. Royal Dutch Shell Doesn't give a damn about the environment or anybody who gets in their way as their history in Africa proves. And as for needing their expertise, look where expertise has gotten us thus far. This protest has become about more than a pipe and a few disgruntled locals, it is about how business and politics use the power of the state and its police to trample on the very people whom they serve. The Gardai are just doing what they are paid to do but it is fundamentally wrong and history will show it as a dark precedent of where this nation is heading. As for peaceful protest. Not worth a flying f**k.
professore wrote: » Of all the things to protest about in this country, the shell pipeline must be 1 millionth on the list. And to think my taxes are paying for these losers.
squod wrote: » ''The merger of state and corporate powers is called fascism.'' Gerald Celente
squod wrote: » Cement mixer guy owes you millions.
Pride Fighter wrote: » What should happen is the pipe being built and the oil wealth be used to fix our deficit and fund social services. This would involve a nationalised oil company and telling shell where to go.
Crosáidí wrote: » Ah yes, Royal Dutch Shell, i'm sure they have the Irish/Mayo people's best interests at heart
Einhard wrote: » And once we tell Shell to fook off, who is going to stump up to explore other areas of the Irish seabed which may have hydrocarbon potential? We don't have significant reserves of oil or gas, and nothing thusfar indicates that we ever will have significant quantities in readily accessible locations. Considering the process surrounding a single test bore costs tens of millions, who is going to stump up for such tests? And before you answer with Norway etc, the Norwegians have an abundance of readily exploitable hydrocarbon reserves. The quantity makes it cost-effective for them to establish their own national energy company, and mitigates the costs involved in exploration and expoitation. We don't have that luxury in Ireland. I'd like to get as much as possible for our resources, but we have to be realistic when it comes to it. Telling Shell where to shove it will essentially bring exploration to a halt in ireland for the foreseeable future. Not to mention the massive damage such uniliateral breaching of contract law would cause. If you were the head of a multi-national, looking to expand or invest, would you do so in a nation which has a history of reneging on its contracts? I doubt it. Ah yes, Dunne's Stores/enter any private enterprise here, i'm sure they have the Irish people's best interests at heart Not sure what that comment has to do with anythign really, except stoke some inane populist sentiment and get a few thanks. What private enterprise has the common good at heart? If that were the criteria for private companies, we'd be picketing Intel and Dell. I think that, in some cases, the character of the protestors is a legitimate basis of discussion. From what I've seen, a significant number of the protestors are motivated, not merely by local concerns or issues, but by ideoplogical and political considerations. It's reasonable then, to discuss such deeper motivations. Anyway, as I'm sure you're aware, there is no compunction amongst the protestors about attacking the character of Shell, the guards, and those employed around the project, so they can hardly claim special treatment.
Einhard wrote: » And once we tell Shell to fook off, who is going to stump up to explore other areas of the Irish seabed which may have hydrocarbon potential? We don't have significant reserves of oil or gas, and nothing thusfar indicates that we ever will have significant quantities in readily accessible locations. Considering the process surrounding a single test bore costs tens of millions, who is going to stump up for such tests? And before you answer with Norway etc, the Norwegians have an abundance of readily exploitable hydrocarbon reserves. The quantity makes it cost-effective for them to establish their own national energy company, and mitigates the costs involved in exploration and expoitation. We don't have that luxury in Ireland. I'd like to get as much as possible for our resources, but we have to be realistic when it comes to it. Telling Shell where to shove it will essentially bring exploration to a halt in ireland for the foreseeable future. Not to mention the massive damage such uniliateral breaching of contract law would cause. If you were the head of a multi-national, looking to expand or invest, would you do so in a nation which has a history of reneging on its contracts? I doubt it.
Pride Fighter wrote: » There is 550 billion of gas in Corrib. I know that set up costs would cost billions, maybe up to 10, but you'll still make a hell of a lot of money.Companies would still do business with us if we nationalised the gas. Look at Egypt after Nasser nationalised the Suez canal, modern day Venezuela. Companies will not leave Ireland if we did this. We nationalised all the banks and they did not leave, why not nationalise something that will make money?
Birdnuts wrote: » PS: Theres another thread active for those who don't like protestors who upset big business interests!!;)
Pauleta wrote: » Its already been established that we dont have the expertise in the country to extract the fuel at a reasonable price. I think it would be more productive to find out why we dont have the expertise and trying to develop the expertise rather than protesting the inebitable
Birdnuts wrote: » the 400-500 billion estimate was from the Dept of Energy, not those supposedly evil people in S2S;)
Pride Fighter wrote: » There is 550 billion of gas in Corrib.
Killer Pigeon wrote: » Sorry, I don't support scrounger hippies. YES TO THE CORRIB GAS PIPELINE! Ireland needs to do business, the hippies don't realise that the money they get to buy weed doesn't come from nowhere.
passive wrote: » These numbers: They are lies. That is all. (edit: And if you going talking about potential oil that may exist somewhere in our sea and be drilled for later under the improved tax regime, that is not in any way related to this pipeline, nobody will be amused. Please talk about the actual amount in question regarding the 25% deal with shell in Corrib, the controversial pipeline, the Shell to Sea crowd. Which I think you'll find it 50 times smaller than the figures you guys are spouting)http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/eycwkfmhau/http://www.tribune.ie/archive/article/2008/jun/22/value-of-shell-corrib-field-surges-to-13bn/
Birdnuts wrote: » Given the frankly astonishing way another thread related to this subject has just ended I don't beleive a reasonable facts based discussion is possible on this subject in this forum:( PS: Just to clarify for the last poster - the 400-500 billion estimate was from the Dept of Energy, not those supposedly evil people in S2S;)
Birdnuts wrote: » Your talking just about the Corrib element - the Dept of Energy figures refer to the potential of other areas around out coast so be carefull throwing around words like "lies":mad:
