BrianD wrote: » You're clutching at straws here. The conversation was in private. The party involved were not addressing the public nor, I doubt, had they intended the conversation to be heard by anybody else but those in the vehicle. It makes no odds who owns the car. A transfer and perhaps a training would seem to be me a fair course of action to be taken.
NGA wrote: » No one is being politically correct all of a sudden. Bad press is bad press. They have brought the force into disrepute and will get disciplined over it. That is all, just disciplined and rightly so. You are right though, this is a witch hunt and an incident that has been totally blown out of proportion.
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Ms Sullivan said more than 100 complaints have been made over the past two years about gardaí policing the anti-Shell protests in Mayo but none of the officers had been sanctioned where complaints were upheld. “That doesn’t leave you with a huge amount of hope,” she said.
Finnbar01 wrote: » But they are and this is a witch hunt, why should they have being issued with a warning and transfer in the first place?
Finnbar01 wrote: » Oh FFS NGA you're better than that surely? Incidentally (sp?) the irony of it all!
Spacedog wrote: » Is this true? if it is things in our system are a lot worse than I thought.
stockyboie wrote: » It seems like policing in ireland is carried out haphazardly. Im not sure why this is. Lack of resources, jail space etc but just appears as though the interpretation of the laws are taken into their own hands. My own experiences of dealing with them range from very helpful and very good to very useless and very ignorant. I think definetly there is a lack of oversight within the gardai. I don't think they even use supervising officers when out on patrol. Just a case of coming across a crime and dealing with it ad lib instead of following specific rules and regulations. Thats just my opinion of what ive witnessed and heard from other people also so i could be wrong. I mean the cops here seem to take statements then leave it up to the victim wheither they want to press charges.
stockyboie wrote: » Bascially if it ends up with nothing happening it will proove what many know and suspect about the state of policing in the republic of ireland i.e That the police are indeed a law onto themselves and operate with impunity with very little transparency if at all. Bascially that they are free to do and say whatever they think and nobody can stand up to them.
stockyboie wrote: » I dunno i really don't think that people in this country are going to accept them being snuck into some role behind a desk somewhere . I think this is an important case for both the public of ireland and the gardai siochana themselves. Bascially if it ends up with nothing happening it will proove what many know and suspect about the state of policing in the republic of ireland i.e That the police are indeed a law onto themselves and operate with impunity with very little transparency if at all. Bascially that they are free to do and say whatever they think and nobody can stand up to them. I think that this is what many people in the gardai know themselves although many may not actually state it and are happy to keep it that way. If this case is not dealt with to the satsifaction of BOTH parties i think the ever widening divide that is growing between the gardai and the public will grow even further and this can't be good for anyone. Trust between police forces and the public is the basic thread which holds society together in some way. If that breaks down then all hell can break loose. Its important that trust between the public and the gardai is always maintained. i don't think it helps either party to be suspicious of one another. For many its not what was said that was important and im sure most people accept this. I think whats important to people is that they know this kind of attitude is not prevelant in the gardai.
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Finnbar01 wrote: » With colleagues like you aye? How's the comfy desk job going? Wouldn't be surprised if you are a member of the garda band.
King of Kings wrote: » agreed . The same leftie **** would be moan about freedom of speech if they were under the kosh
Terrontress wrote: » I'd say the embarrassment to these Gardai is possibly punishment enough. I'd say that their career advancement prospects might have been hindered also. The bottom line is that nobody has been injured or hurt and they were extremely ill-advised to do what they did. As I understand it, Gardai are leaving the force quicker than they are joining. To lose another three would be madness and to take three officers with front line training and experience and put them in an office, like Cedric Daniels in Season 2 of The Wire, is a waste of investment. I think that the Commissioner should apologise on behalf of the whole service, the Gardai involved be made to make a donation to a rape charity and let all Gardai know the standards expected of them. Move on. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
Finnbar01 wrote: » With colleagues like you aye? How's the comfy desk job going? Wouldn't be surprised if you are a member of the garda band. Plastic cop.
k_mac wrote: » The bottom line is that these Gardaí have broken no laws and probably no rules either. To punish them for a joke would be a gross miscarraige of justice and contrary to our constitution.
My name is URL wrote: » What do you think should happen? Can you imagine the reaction from the likes of Joe Higgins etc if it was just brushed aside? The next time there was any hint of controversy within AGS they'd use this incident as a means of backing up whatever outlandish point they happen to be making.
hobochris wrote: » To All who are all but short of looking for blood, can you please answer one question, What Law did they break? Also, did they make the arrests properly?(according to media sources, yes) did they mistreat the prisoners in any way once arrested? (according to the media sources, no). what are these men guilty of that doesn't happen in conversations between men up and down the country in some form or another?
angelfire9 wrote: » Interestingly you have a total of 2 posts to your name and both of them are critical of the Gardai But anyway.... In relation to your first post the Gardai do not "interpret" the law They deal with a crime, the file the reports and the DPP decides whether charges are brought or not The Victim of a crime may REFUSE to co-operate with an investigation (happens particularly with cases of domestic violence where a crime is reported and investigated but further down the line the victim wants to drop the case If the DPP decides that charges are to be brought the victim has NO say in the matter Often in the case of domestic's the Gardai will drop the charges if the victim asks them to but they don't have to so you are mis-informed on that point In relation to the second quote above, the Gardai are not "a law unto themselves" A complaint was made and is being investigated by a Superintendent (on behalf of the Commissioner) AND the Ombudsman's office IF they are found to have committed an offence they will be disciplined It never fails to amaze me that people, who would scream & shout for civil rights and the presumption of innocence where civilians are accused of crimes, have no hesitation in condemning Gardai where allegations have been made but are as yet unproven
Vourney wrote: » I have plenty of friends who joke about sex and tell raunchy jokes, but I they don't joke about rape. That's just creepy. To me anyway. I certainly wouldn't be friends with anyone who jokes about rape. Oh it's widespead and widely accepted, you say. Yes, so is prostitution, but I don't want my child to become mixed up in it either. I do hold authority figures and leaders in the community to a higher standard. It goes hand in hand with their position. Authority and leadership is a both responsibility and a privilege. A leader is naturally given more respect than others, but at the same time they have greater responsibility. If they can't handle that respect and responsibility, then they will lose their position, because the people they have authority over will lose their respect for them. What is the Irish concept of how to carry out a position of authority in a responsible manner?
Corcioch wrote: » The conversation was private at the time it took place, and it was between consenting adults. That is the important legal fact. Issues of morality etc are completely different and in fairness there has been no dispute there.
NGA wrote: » No one is being politically correct all of a sudden. Bad press is bad press. They have brought the force into disrepute and will get disciplined over it. That is all, just disciplined and rightly so. You are right though, this is a witch hunt and an incident that has been totally blown out of proportion.Warning issued for inappropriate language
Traumadoc wrote: » Is there a charge of conspiracy to rape? I'm sure gardai have used covert video recordings.
NGA wrote: » With all due respect most of them are thugs of the highest order. Take for instance those featured on TG4s documentary on the pipe laying......the fisherman featured lives 15-20km away and never fished there before. Where protesters are and where they are totally wrong there will always be complaints. Just remember everything has been filmed by both sides and no serious complaint has been upheld.......
goldie fish wrote: » An awful lot of strangers have suddenly appeared in this section to criticise the Gardai......
Spacedog wrote: » From some of the videos posted on youtube it looks like the gardai have done their fair share of thuggery. Given that here has been brutality on both sides I'd have thought that both gardai and protesters would welcome an independent enquiry?
