OutlawPete wrote: » If a guy can back up what he is saying (and not just hollow bullshit) then I generally wouldn't refer to them as such (the 'definition' you included wouldn't be mine by the way, well - not completely anyway as I'm quite partial to a dildo in my lovely bottom thank you very much ). However, the guys with little to say but throw a few insults at users are white-kinighting for sure. These users rarely get involved in debates at all in fact and just are what I would call 'thread commentators'. There are many women's views I would disagree with, but I can assure you, I would prefer a thousand of them over the twits that think their white knighting wisecracks are in anyway profound. Reason being that I have respect for users that role their sleeves up and get stuck into a debate, no matter how wrong or right they may be. Having the chutzpah to actually post what you believe and own it, gets my respect. Assclowns playing to the gallery and trying to impress women with soundbytes never will. Fcuking scourge of the internet.
Pwindedd wrote: » But if it only opens each lock once and occasionally gets rusty it's not that masterful - and if there are many similar keys to chose from, even less so !
MonkeyBalls wrote: » strawman
PrincessLola wrote: » So we should be allowed to have to slut/stud double standard because biology backs it up? In that case fathers-rights groups will have to shut the f*ck up because biology backs the fact that women are the primary care-givers. Just sayin' that just because there is scientific data behind it doesn't make it okay.
Raekwon wrote: » and the whiteknights come in solely to dissect male posters arguments with their dry wit and bashful humour
liah wrote: » When the hell will people grow the hell up and stop using crap like this to justify their hypocritical, judgmental, and frankly, hateful attitudes? Stop bringing up this "master key" and "men chase, women choose" bull. It doesn't do anything for your argument. In fact, it just makes you look like an asshole. Why? Because we're freaking human beings. We're not a goddamn lock and we're not a goddamn key. This isn't some game, this isn't some competition - we're people, not your freaking pawns. Sex isn't a "prize." You're not better than someone just because they have sex with you. What the hell even makes you think that? What is so wrong with your ego that you have to come to that conclusion about someone? Who the hell are you to judge why someone has sex simply based on their gender? You (collective "you" for anyone who thinks of people as sluts yet sleeps with them) spend all this time manipulating us into the sack and then start calling us lesser human beings and "sluts" because of it. Because we enjoy the physical act of sex with you. Do you not understand how hypocritical and ridiculous that is? We have sex for THE EXACT SAME REASONS YOU DO. And YOU slept with US, too! And you call us lesser ("slut," "insecure," "messed up") for it without even a hint of irony, or a thought that if you can apply it to her, she could apply it to you! What the hell does that say about you? Just freaking THINK about what you're saying. Think about how it makes you feel as a human being, not as a man, not as a woman, but as a person with actual thoughts and emotions. Engage your empathy a little. How it would feel to be objectified, manipulated, seduced and then shamed and branded a slut, all because you had sex? Why would you even want to do that to another human being? Seriously? Why do you enjoy the fact that you have so little consideration for another person? Why do you laud that, why are you proud of that? Chrissake. I don't care how this comes across. This one's been pent up for a good long time, I don't give a crap how it's received, I won't be coming back to the thread, so don't bother replying to it. Just really, really needed to get that out of my system. Cop the hell on and drop the judgment. I guarantee you that unless you're not human, you're no bloody angel, so drop the namecalling and take a second or two to actually understand what it is you're saying, and the impact it may have on another person who has thoughts and an ego and feelings just the same as you do. If you still want to say crap like that, and have it in your head that women who have sex just as much as you are somehow "beneath" you (skip the jokes).. well, just stay the hell away from me.
PrincessLola wrote: » So we should be allowed to have to slut/stud double standard because biology backs it up?In that case fathers-rights groups will have to shut the f*ck up because biology backs the fact that women are the primary care-givers. Just sayin' that just because there is scientific data behind it doesn't make it okay.
Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: » What needs to be stressed, and I think the article does this pretty well, is that the arguments made are reasons people tend to regard promiscuous women as *bad*(therefore derogatory word like slut used) but promiscuous men not noteworthy. It doesn't actually argue promiscuous women are bad or wrong in any way.
stovelid wrote: » Golden chance missed to introduce pawn, Queens and Board(s) references to further the (already extended) devious female sexual chess metaphor.
Why "sluts" and "studs" are not the same thing, and never will be
EMF2010 wrote: » OP initially, I thought, ok this is using pretty nasty terminology and applying massive generalisations but what he's talking about is actually interesting. Since your first post though, you've been pretty consistent in being quite offensive
hatrickpatrick wrote: » Point I'm trying to make is, screw "society".
Little Acorn wrote: » As Windsock said, there are paternity tests and such available now, so there should be no need for this "cuckholdry" thing.
If some men don't hold these judgments, then I find it hard to believe that it is set in stone as being biological nature, or else ALL men would feel the same about it.
Wibbs wrote: » True, but you could answer that a few ways. One way is that many of these men are simply lying. As a guy what I've heard men admit to other men things their girlfriends/wives would scarcely imagine, never mind believe... That I would say is a fair whack of it. Why? They want to be seen as mature or equal minded or one of these so called whitenights of earlier(yea who makes that crap up ). I have to say it has been my experience that a lot (not all of course) of men who claim not to judge simply arent in a position to judge in the first place.
MonkeyBalls wrote: » Are people still confused by this? If so, read this and all will be answered. It's basic biology and basic economics.http://apesinelysium.blogspot.com/2011/02/sluts-versus-studs-definitive-guide.html I'm just looking for opinions, not to stir up flame wars or anything like that. We've come to a bizarre zeitgeist where any talk of innate differences between men and women is "sexist". I can assure you, I haven't a sexist bone in my body.
midlandsmissus wrote: » What's REALLY REALLy unfair about the above though is men will push, push, push and pressure you into sleeping with them, and then despise you and make you feel like utter dirt when you do. I had slept with 2 boyfriends my whole life, late 20s now, fell for an alpha male b4 xmas who told me he realy liked me. I let him pick me up in our local club at the end of the night and bring me bk to his friends house a few nights. Total alpha male and v.persuasive and i was pretty weak. There were a load of lads in the house so everybody knew and of course he told them I was chasing him. And he treated me like absolute dirt the next morning. I am now known as easy round town and he is just the stud. Nothing feels worse than this, I have actually felt suicidal over it all. Once you're a slut (in a small town) you're condemned as a slut forever. Men have no idea how hard it is being a woman, they don't have the worry of it all. Feeling like a slut is so awful and a man can never know that particular pain...
Chaotic_Forces wrote: » Stud = master key Slut = lock opened by all keys
Raze_them_all wrote: » My standard response to this. If a key opens up any lock it's a master key, If a lock is opened by any key then it's a **** lock
Wibbs wrote: » Tell your monkey brain that. Such technology hasn't been around long enough for our biology to catch up with it. .
gargleblaster wrote: » I would love to see some examples of what men lie to their supposed loved ones about.
Obviously these men really don't love their wives or girlfriends.
And I would also love to see some responses from men to that, about them either being liars or ... what is the implication there?
That they're not in a position to judge? What does that mean exactly?
opinion guy wrote: » This 'argument' is retarded. It assumes humans are automated sex machines with no choice about whether or not to have sex. Since both men and women do have that choice, this 'argument' is specious at best, thinly disguised misogyny at worst.
Wibbs wrote: » Some men. Not all, not even that many. What do they say to other men they wouldn't say to their GF's/wives? Common ones would be complaints about nagging, emotional outbursts, general relationship pressures. Obviosuly but only if you buy into a black and white fairytale notion of love.
Ease back on the black and whitism there Ted. Some men. I have found men that are less successful in the dating game are often the harshest critics of women. Often blaming them for their lack of success. The "I can't get laid, therefore all women are bitches" types. Now you can find such men who aren't like that and you can find men who are successful equally harsh too, but generally less so.
MonkeyBalls wrote: » There are some excellent posters in here, such as Outlaw Pete, Wibbs (when not joking around), Procrastinator, et al but a lot of you are letting your knee-kerk emotions get the better of your reasoning (anyone who accuses me of misogyny is simply hasn't read my post and is jumping to grossly incorrect conclusions).
Wibbs wrote: » What do they say to other men they wouldn't say to their GF's/wives? Common ones would be complaints about nagging, emotional outbursts, general relationship pressures.
Wibbs wrote: » While I dont think its as black and white as MonkeyBalls reckons, we do follow the monkey brain way more than we give it credit for or like to admit to ourselves.
Poor Craythur wrote: » They don't admit stuff like that to us? Huh? What sort of men have I been dallying with then, that come straight out with this stuff.
gargleblaster wrote: » Hah, well that's hardly the kind of stuff that so-called "white knights" would be arguing about, isn't it? (Nagging, emotional stuff, etc.)
And the other person is also incapable of loving you back, because they don't really know you. Again, this is based on the subjects being hidden being more meaningful than being nagged, or having to deal with emotional outbursts.
Wibbs wrote: » It depends on the amount they're telling you. Few people, never mind men are as honest as they claim or even think they are. They usually keep something back(naturally). This goes more in very long termers going on for years, kids, mortgage etc. A lot more to lose on both sides by being "honest". There can be very different pressures in such relationships. Hence I would take little relationship advice from someone whose never gone beyond 3 years in one.
Wibbs wrote: » Oh these are the same men who are all publicly "cum by ya sensitive to their female side guys" coming out with this. IE white knights. Trust me when you hear a guy in full flight about how his long term partner is never satisfied and always has some bloody thing to whine about, that's a fairly heavy duty hidden thing. Unless you don't think being a nag is that serious? Or having to deal with regular emotional outbursts like an adult child in your life? It's something I'd like to know about. Or another one I've heard more than once or twice, where a man complains that his wife has knowingly and on purpose gotten pregnant without his input. That's not too nice a hidden thing either. Either way there's a low level resentment going on. Not too healthy. I've heard similar from a good third of the guys I've known in long termers. Of course other men will the odd time moan about the "other half" but it's pressure release and they do love them. Just as some of my women mates will moan about their blokes. And again they love them.
Poor Craythur wrote: Do you feel women are more honest in relationships?
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