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Dole after graduation?

Mcjmetroid

I asked about this on the Welfare thread but got no reply.
A lot of you guys have done this and so I said I'd try here before calling Citizen information.

I'll be graduation 4th year soon. I live at home at the moment so I know i'll be means tested based on my parents income, but I am planning to move out.
My simple question is.. 1: when should I apply? After the last exam or after the last lecture?

2: how long do I have to be moved out by before they recognise me as "not living at home" and therefore means tested on my OWN income and needs?

Any help on this matter would be great, I'm pretty useless with this stuff. I know the dole its not the most ambitious thing to think about after your graduation but I'd like a fallback option in case I get no Summer job.

Thanks a lot guys

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testicle

Perhaps it would be more in your line to start looking for a job instead?

professore

Sorry OP I don't have answers to those questions.

To testicle, how is he going to eat while looking for a job? He sounds like he is planning ahead. Also maybe he's moving somewhere with better job prospects than where his parents live? I am sure after 4 years at UL which was not going to be easy he's not afraid of hard work? He could have dropped out of school at 16.

Maybe some of us have parents to sponge off for years but the OP obviously doesn't. Either he takes money from them that they probably don't have or from the State.

sceptre

Moved to State Benefits.

testicle

professore wrote: »

To testicle, how is he going to eat while looking for a job? He sounds like he is planning ahead. Also maybe he's moving somewhere with better job prospects than where his parents live? I am sure after 4 years at UL which was not going to be easy he's not afraid of hard work? He could have dropped out of school at 16.

Maybe some of us have parents to sponge off for years but the OP obviously doesn't. Either he takes money from them that they probably don't have or from the State.

He doesn't finish in UL until the end of May or thereabouts. That's a little over 2 months to get his arse in gear.

mp22

Ok people this thread will have a short life unless it returns to helpful and civil posts,thanks.

the_syco

You can apply after you finish. Will take probably 3 months before you get your back-dated cheque, though.

I'm unsure if you finish after your last class, your last exam, or when you get your results. I'm thinking it's the results, as until you pass, you're still a student. Someone may correct me on that.

mp22

Your a student until you have finished your last exam.

Balagan

To apply for Jobseekers Allowance you need to be available for full time work, so you can apply after your exams are over. Best have a letter from the College/Faculty stating that you have finished. (There is an arrangement whereby you can claim JSA while completing a thesis on your own time, but you haven't mentioned that you're in that position).

There is no set period that you have to be living on your own before you can apply as living independently of your parents but it should be long enough for you to be in the position to be able produce evidence of your address.

Evidence of address
You may be asked to show evidence of your address. You should bring any of the following documents:

Recent bills from utility companies such as electricity, telephone (landline or mobile), gas, cable television, waste charges etc.
Recent statements/letters from banks, building societies, credit unions, credit card companies or other financial institutions
Recent letters addressed to you from insurance companies, local authorities, government departments or the Revenue Commissioners
Local authority rent book, mortgage or leasing agreement.
Note: a recent document is one issued within the last 2 months. All documents must be originals, not photocopies.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/reference/checklists/checklist_when_applying_for_jobseeker_s_allowance_checklist.html

After you have applied for JSA you are entitled to go to the Community Welfare Officer at the local HSE office and apply for Supplementary Welfare Allowance to tide you over till the JSA is processed. It will be deducted from your backdated payment of JSA.

Best of luck in your exams and with landing one of the all too scarce jobs!

eastbono

testicle wrote: »

Perhaps it would be more in your line to start looking for a job instead?

I really want to have a rant at this individual but I am restraining myself as I do not want to get banned as I feel I have a lot of advice to offer to this forum but can i just do a silent shout (jobs where are they)...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh rant over

eastbono

2: how long do I have to be moved out by before they recognise me as "not living at home" and therefore means tested on my OWN income and needs?

With regard to this dilemma... nothing written in stone but if you move out immediately and rent somewhere sw will wonder where you got the money for it and how you are supporting yourself while waiting for JSA. IIf it transpires that parents are funding this move then it will still be classed as B & P (Benefit & Privilege aka Board and Lodgings)

Kristopherus

Are you still under 25?

eastbono

Good question Kris... more than likely op is unless op is a mature student

Mcjmetroid

testicle wrote: »

Perhaps it would be more in your line to start looking for a job instead?

As I said in my first post. Yes I am looking and have been looking. I'm just curious.. I've lived at home during my entire time of college and feel like it's finally time to move the hell out.

Mcjmetroid

Kristopherus wrote: »

Are you still under 25?

I am yes

Makes life a little bit harder I know.

eastbono wrote: »

With regard to this dilemma... nothing written in stone but if you move out immediately and rent somewhere sw will wonder where you got the money for it and how you are supporting yourself while waiting for JSA. IIf it transpires that parents are funding this move then it will still be classed as B & P (Benefit & Privilege aka Board and Lodgings)

I was afraid of something like this yes. Benefit and priviledge is very little. Something like 40 a week or something. I instantly regret not moving out to college at the start of the year. At least after 6 months you get the rent allowance.

eastbono wrote: »

I really want to have a rant at this individual but I am restraining myself as I do not want to get banned as I feel I have a lot of advice to offer to this forum but can i just do a silent shout (jobs where are they)...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh rant over

Don't worry about it

. There's people like this on every subsection on boards.ie. Reads half an opening post, leaves the one short sentence and always completely unhelpful.

Balagan wrote: »

To apply for Jobseekers Allowance you need to be available for full time work, so you can apply after your exams are over. Best have a letter from the College/Faculty stating that you have finished. (There is an arrangement whereby you can claim JSA while completing a thesis on your own time, but you haven't mentioned that you're in that position).

There is no set period that you have to be living on your own before you can apply as living independently of your parents but it should be long enough for you to be in the position to be able produce evidence of your address.

Evidence of address
You may be asked to show evidence of your address. You should bring any of the following documents:

Recent bills from utility companies such as electricity, telephone (landline or mobile), gas, cable television, waste charges etc.
Recent statements/letters from banks, building societies, credit unions, credit card companies or other financial institutions
Recent letters addressed to you from insurance companies, local authorities, government departments or the Revenue Commissioners
Local authority rent book, mortgage or leasing agreement.
Note: a recent document is one issued within the last 2 months. All documents must be originals, not photocopies.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/reference/checklists/checklist_when_applying_for_jobseeker_s_allowance_checklist.html

After you have applied for JSA you are entitled to go to the Community Welfare Officer at the local HSE office and apply for Supplementary Welfare Allowance to tide you over till the JSA is processed. It will be deducted from your backdated payment of JSA.

Best of luck in your exams and with landing one of the all too scarce jobs!

Thank you this is incredibly helpful post. Am I best off calling up citizen information and explaining my situation.?

Balagan

You'll know about the reduced age payments of JSA

Jobseeker Allowance rates from January 2011

Jobseeker's Allowance maximum rate for people under 25 years of age
Age 18 - 19 €100
20 - 21 €100
22 - 24 €144
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/jobseekers_allowance.html

For Rent Supplement these days, even though the info states clearly that you have to either be accepted and registered with the Local Authority as in need of Social Housing or already renting for 6 months, the practice is common now that the Community Welfare Officers want you to meet both those requirements.

In addition, there is the following requirement You must be able to show that you could afford the rent at the beginning of your tenancy and that you could have continued to pay rent but are unable to do so because of a change in your circumstances which occurred after you started renting.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/supplementary_welfare_schemes/rent_supplement.html

Citizens Information people are very good and would indeed help you get all the info before making any move. It would be a good idea to follow through on your plan to contact them, though, if possible, call into their office rather than just talking over the phone.

megafairy01

Hi,
I'm confused. You say that students doing a thesis can get JSA provided they don't mention that they are in this position. Is that right?

Balagan

megafairy01 wrote: »

Hi,
I'm confused. You say that students doing a thesis can get JSA provided they don't mention that they are in this position. Is that right?

I wrote that "there is an arrangement whereby you can claim JSA while completing a thesis on your own time..." but did not suggest that this involved any subterfuge! You need to give all info to the Social Welfare Office so that your availability for work while completing your thesis after final exams can be established and your claim considered.

(d) Students completing theses/projects:

The legislation provides for disqualification while attending a full-time day course of study. Third level students who have completed final examinations but are completing theses or projects cannot be regarded as still attending a full-time day course of study and, therefore, cannot be disqualified under this provision. Entitlement may, however, be considered under the availability condition, - Section 141 (4)(c) depending on the degree of commitment to the project/thesis.
http://www.welfare.ie/EN/OperationalGuidelines/Pages/ja_jobseekall.aspx

megafairy01

Thanks for clarifying. Do you know if the same applies for the supplementary welfare allowance. I am literally down to my last few pennies and applied for it yesterday having already applied for jobseekers allowance. I was turned down on the basis of having a thesis to complete.

Balagan

megafairy01 wrote: »

Thanks for clarifying. Do you know if the same applies for the supplementary welfare allowance. I am literally down to my last few pennies and applied for it yesterday having already applied for jobseekers allowance. I was turned down on the basis of having a thesis to complete.

To qualify for Supplementary Welfare Allowance you cannot be in full time education but if you are doing your thesis on your own time then you are not in full time education. The only thing I can think of is that the Community Welfare Officer may not be aware of the arrangement whereby you can get Jobseekers while doing thesis on your own time and maybe the best thing to do would be to print out the Jobseekers Allowance Operational Guidelines that I gave you the link to, and take it to the Community Welfare Officer with the relevant section highlighted and verbally appeal yesterday's decision.

You can't starve in the meantime and you should contact the St. Vincent de Paul http://www.svp.ie/contact-us.aspx who will be able to help you keep body and soul together till this gets sorted.

Mcjmetroid

Sorry for bumping this thread, but thought it was better instead of starting a new one.

I have another small question. So I am going to Job Seeker's Allowance and moving out next week. I'll need proof of accomodation and there is a list of things I could use. I'm not sure the landlord of the house I'm moving into is the sort for Tendacy agreements..

Would a letter with his signature work as proof of accommodation? Or should I ask him for something else?

Also on the UP1 form itself, it asks how long have I been living there. Does it matter if I've just moved in?

Thanks again guys..

orchidsrpretty

You wont be entitled to RA unless you can prove that you were able to afford the rent for 6months before you apply. So if you can afford the rent on JA its doubtful you will qualify after 6 months. Another way is to get on the housing list and then you can bypass this condition.