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If GOD wants belief in him based on faith...

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then isn't it logical to asume he would make it seem from a scientific point of view he doesn't exist

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Improbable

dead one wrote: »

What does it mean, No (State of denial)!!!!. Isn't it trure??

Correct, what you were saying was factually untrue.

dead one wrote: »

Yes its true i am not eye witness but i am speaking on behalf of him who knows. I have evidence to feed / cloth my "knowledge".

No, you are not speaking on anyone's behalf but your own. What evidence do you have for god? Name a SINGLE piece of valid evidence that shows god exists. I challenge you to find one that I cannot refute.

dead one wrote: »

So as matter of fact if you believe in God, a lot of your time and energy will be saved, For example athiest scientific community who believe that life on earth was result of an accident and they are still strugling and wasting their time to find a chance outside earth. Yet the money which they are wasting on these wasted activity can finish poverty and hunger on earth. So belief in God which is universal fact can save a lot of your time and energy and also it can benefit inhabitants of world

Science has done far more to end poverty and hunger in the world than religion ever has. How about genetically modified organisms which are resistant to particular diseases? How about the advent of vaccines which have saved countless lives? How about medications which have cured hundreds of diseases? How about scientific goals like the pursuit of cheap and simple water purification systems to end the plight of millions around the world who die because they don't have access to clean drinking water? I suppose since you say that atheist scientists are wasting their time, that you don't use any of the things that they develop like medicine which enable you to live for significantly longer than if you didn't have them.

Belief in god is not a universal fact, far from it. Just because you say it is, doesn't automatically make it so. You are giving NO evidence that a belief in god would actually make the world a better place.

dead one wrote: »

There is no life of human intellectual outside the earth, Where i got this information, it is from Book of God i.e Quran. Now tell what is better option waste your time and money or unitize it for better option.

You do NOT know that! I don't know how I can possibly make this any clearer to you. You only BELIEVE that it is the truth because the book says that it is. That gives it NO truth value whatsoever. The same applies to your opinion that it is a waste of time and money. It is just that, only your opinion, not fact. A wildly misinformed, ignorant and dangerous opinion at that.

dead one wrote: »

science means "knowledge attained through study or practice," Science is tool to understand or gain greater knowledge of universe and science shows universe is perfectly designed. Just take example of solar system, How perfect your solar system is, Why earth can't leave it orbit, Much of science support existence and work of God but problem arise when thinkers / scientists hold their faith in human logic above belief/ faith in creator. They have chosen faith in human logic, So as a matter they know how to defend it. You also believe in human logic but remember human logic isn't perfect because it is limited.

Yeah, the universe is absolutely perfect. The solar system is absolutely perfect. That goes a long way to explain the fact that we can only occupy a tiny fraction of our own planet, that our sun will eventually run out of hydrogen for its fusion reactions, will expand into a red giant and destroy all human life on earth. It explains why we are on a collision course with the Andromeda galaxy and the interaction between the two galaxies will have completely unknown effects. It explains why the universe will go through one of 2 probable endings, it will either continue to expand forever and entropy will cause it to become a nominally uniform collection of particles or that it will go into a big crunch phase in which everything in the entirety of the universe will be compressed into a singularity which will undoubtedly kill every living thing in the whole universe. Yeah, that's perfection.

The earth can't leave the solar system because of gravity. The argument that you're using there is the finely tuned universe argument which is neatly countered by the anthropic principle. Go look it up. Once again, there is NOTHING in science which supports the existence of a god, much less the specific one that you happen to believe in by the merest coincidence.

dead one wrote: »

simple answer is "Will they not then, ponder over the Quran? If it were from other than God they would found in it much discrepancies"

Your book showing human work so it can easily be judged with errors and discrepancies. Same theory applies to other books, you can test any book with above verse if book claims itself from God.

There are entire websites dedicated to showing errors and discrepancies in every major religious text. People have spent their entire professional lives on literary criticisms of religious texts. The position that there are no mistakes in it is quite simply ridiculous. A 2 second search on google has revealed:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/

You really want to convince others that the quran is infallible? I challenge you to go through each one of those and debunk them. Once you've been able to do that, I'm sure that I'll be able to find another source of contradictions for you. But I suspect that you won't be able to because even if it WERE the word of god when it was first written (for which there is no evidence at all), it has been subjected to manipulations over centuries by people so that the homogeneity between the very first copies and the one found available today is likely miniscule.

What else would distinguish my book from the book that you follow? Or is that all, because I think I've sufficiently addressed that particular argument.

GO_Bear

dead one wrote: »

Ignorance isn't crime, antibiotic resistance is truly an example of change, but it's hardly a fact for macro evolutionas bacteria remain bacteria. For survival outcome such variations in bacteria, is necessary in a clinical environment but it's not an example of beneficial mutation, If you are saying one type bacteria will change or evolve into another type than i would highly disagree based on evidence. Yes it is true bacteria can change quickly but antibiotic resistance does not demonstrate Darwinian evolution.

I want you to define the difference between changing and evolving for me.

The only difference between what is happening with antibiotic resistance and your "macro evolution" is the amount of time it takes.

dead one wrote: »

There are many man made religion on earth, man made religion are untrustworthy because they are man made and you are assuming me christian as matter of fact i am not christian.

/thread thank you for agreeing with me.

And I loveeeeeeee how you are now dumping on Christans, guess they are going to hell for not worshiping allah yeh ?

dead one wrote: »

This also shows you judge all the religions with same yardstick,

Yes I do lump you all in the same group, I heard these arguments from every religion

dead one wrote: »

By this way you can only defend your ego but can't reach truth. If you can't accept God based on faith than can you tell. The whole universe is perfect design who is it's designer, You believe it's designer was an an accident which isn't logical as accidents can't create perfect system. What an irony?

The universe and world we live in is far from perfect. If it was perfect do you not think we would be able to live in more that 0.000000000000000000000000000000000001% of it ? I probably could not fit enough 0's to make it more accurate.

dead one wrote: »

First of All there is no relation like "girl friend" in real world, Real world means "world of respect" . What cause you to have girl friend that is a life without God.

Yes there is, she is my girlfriend. I am her boyfriend. I treat her as a complete equal ( maybe even a bit more in charge amirite! :pac: )

dead one wrote: »

Now if you are a believer you won't have girl friends. There will no note on fridge, no girl friends. No after effects, This is how you can save your life by believing in God.

Good think I am not a believer then. The rest of you statement makes no sense at all , I was merely trying to show you that nothing can have an effect when viewed at from a certain angle. The effect is relative to the eye of the beholder.

dead one wrote: »

I can't understand your logic of girl friend which you are associating it to universe or its effects. Isn't it true that your girl friend is your universe.

In a sense yes, my friends, family and humanity are my Universe.

dead one wrote: »

Faith isn't blind, Faith isn't story, Still you are assuming me christian?

Does not matter what I think you are , its all the same.

I find it so dam funny though how you are dogging on christains !

dead one wrote: »

My faith is based on knowledge and strong facts.

No its based on rhetoric and bull**** , the last 2 posts directed at me have confirmed my suspicions.

krudler

Beruthiel wrote: »

Are you not understanding me?
Words written in a book are not fact. They are stories.

This always make me laugh about the bible, the fact you claim something is scripture and therefore true doesnt make it so.

dead one

Beruthiel wrote: »

Taking the word of someone who told fables some centuries ago, isn't 'knowing' with any scientific basis in fact.

Alright those were fables, Do you think God is myth and Fable? Please clear me? Do you place God with myth and fable

Beruthiel wrote: »

And? How is that a problem?

That is problem because you will not come in this world again. So you believe what you believe. It means next world is only based on your faith. So faith is important for next world. You are destroying your next world in wait of scientific answer. If you waste your life than it is sure you won't succeeded in next life. That's what i am talking about

Beruthiel wrote: »

Are you not understanding me?
Words written in a book are not fact. They are stories.

Yes i am understanding , You are improved human. You believe in universal liberty but deny universal truth i.e God. You don't waste your time in theories of extinct peoples yet you waste your time in order to find origin of life. You have belief in evolution, you don't have belief in creation.
Am i right, Correct me.

Dades wrote: »

I thinking you need a girlfriend. Might show you there's more to life than the suppressed scratchings of bronze age men.

As a matter of fact i am not married, But i don't believe in illegal ways to feed/cloth my desires, I don't believe in ignorance, I believe in marriage. Marriage is legal way to feed your desires. I need no girlfriend , Marry women and respect them in form of Mothers, Sister, Daughters, Wives don't insult them by making girlfriends.

Improbable wrote: »

What evidence do you have for god? Name a SINGLE piece of valid evidence that shows god exists. I challenge you to find one that I cannot refute.

God didn't write his name on the surface of planets, However there is good evidence that this universe is perfectly designed by super intelligent agent, for supporting advance life. Design of universe is good evidence that God created universe.

Improbable wrote: »

Science has done far more to end poverty and hunger in the world than religion ever has. How about genetically modified organisms which are resistant to particular diseases? How about the advent of vaccines which have saved countless lives? How about medications which have cured hundreds of diseases? How about scientific goals like the pursuit of cheap and simple water purification systems to end the plight of millions around the world who die because they don't have access to clean drinking water? I suppose since you say that atheist scientists are wasting their time, that you don't use any of the things that they develop like medicine which enable you to live for significantly longer than if you didn't have them.

Science and religion are partner in finding the one truth (God). You know some of the great scientist were believer in God and their belief in God inspire them to do search

Pasteur (1822-1895), dean of the faculty of sciences at Lille University wrote:

"A bit of science distances one from God, but much science nears one to him.[/FONT]

But even Einstein said,

Einstein wrote:

“Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind”.

Improbable wrote: »

Yeah, the universe is absolutely perfect. The solar system is absolutely perfect. That goes a long way to explain the fact that we can only occupy a tiny fraction of our own planet, that our sun will eventually run out of hydrogen for its fusion reactions, will expand into a red giant and destroy all human life on earth. It explains why we are on a collision course with the Andromeda galaxy and the interaction between the two galaxies will have completely unknown effects. It explains why the universe will go through one of 2 probable endings, it will either continue to expand forever and entropy will cause it to become a nominally uniform collection of particles or that it will go into a big crunch phase in which everything in the entirety of the universe will be compressed into a singularity which will undoubtedly kill every living thing in the whole universe. Yeah, that's perfection.

You don't realize you aren't here to live forever, You are here for limited time period. Everything in the universe will end one day what will remain only God. This explanation is mention in religion. The universe is perfectly design but it doesn't mean it remain perfect forever

scientific hypothesis of the Big Crunch is indicated in the Qur’an:

That Day We will fold up heaven like folding up the pages of a book. As We originated the first creation so We will regenerate it. It is a promise binding on Us. That is what We will do. (Qur’an, 21:104)

In another verse, this state of the heavens is described thus:

They do not measure Allah with His true measure. The whole earth will be a mere handful for Him on the Day of Rising the heavens folded up in His right hand. Glory be to Him! He is exalted above the partners they ascribe! (Qur’an, 39:67)

Improbable wrote: »

There are entire websites dedicated to showing errors and discrepancies in every major religious text. People have spent their entire professional lives on literary criticisms of religious texts. The position that there are no mistakes in it is quite simply ridiculous. A 2 second search on google has revealed:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/

Do you know who support these site?. These sites are necessary for business and existence perspective religion. Now question arise why they are doing this. If they don't create these sites they would be driven from their pulpits, they would lose their salaries, they might lose customers etc. Simple example i can't understand Christianity from Anti Christian site, why because people are always selfish. This is true for above site. I have answer for all above contradictions but i am not going to fill the thread.

Improbable wrote: »

You really want to convince others that the quran is infallible?

Nah friend i don't need to convince anyone?. I have just answer your question, that is What else would distinguish my book from the book that you follow?

Beruthiel

dead one wrote: »

Please clear me? Do you place God with myth and fable

I do.

It means next world is only based on your faith.

There is no next world.

If you waste your life

My life is very far from being wasted.

than it is sure you won't succeeded in next life.

Hoping for another life after this one is just greedy, not to mention wishful thinking.

You don't waste your time in theories of extinct peoples yet you waste your time in order to find origin of life.

You consider it a waste of time to explore the world around you and learn more about your environment? The human race would not have gotten very far if it wasn't for our innate curiosity.

However there is good evidence that this universe is perfectly designed by super intelligent agent, for supporting advance life. Design of universe is good evidence that God created universe.

Where is this good evidence?

Improbable

dead one wrote: »

God didn't write his name on the surface of planets, However there is good evidence that this universe is perfectly designed by super intelligent agent, for supporting advance life. Design of universe is good evidence that God created universe.

Did you look up the anthropic principle like I told you to? If you didn't understand it, I'd be more than happy to explain.

dead one wrote: »

Science and religion are partner in finding the one truth (God). You know some of the great scientist were believer in God and their belief in God inspire them to do search

“Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind”

Einstein famously did NOT believe in god. He said so himself many times. What believed was good was faith. Another quote from Einstein:

"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."

Even if Einstein did believe in god (which he didn't), it still would not matter because just because a brilliant scientist believes it does not make it any more true because it is STILL a matter of faith, not of reason. So you can quote all the "religious" scientists you want, but that doesn't change anything.

dead one wrote: »

You don't realize you aren't here to live forever, You are here for limited time period. Everything in the universe will end one day what will remain only God. This explanation is mention in religion. The universe is perfectly design but it doesn't mean it remain perfect forever

Again, you're stating these things as fact. They are NOT facts. They are only your opinion. And once again, go read up on the anthropic principle.

Also, you can interpret such vague passages from any holy book to mean pretty much whatever you want. If it was determined tomorrow that the big crunch was not going to happen, then I'm sure you would be finding another passage in the quran which said that the big crunch would never happen.

dead one wrote: »

Do you know who support these site?. These sites are necessary for business and existence perspective religion. Now question arise why they are doing this. If they don't create these sites they would be driven from their pulpits, they would lose their salaries, they might lose customers etc. Simple example i can't understand Christianity from Anti Christian site, why because people are always selfish. This is true for above site. I have answer for all above contradictions but i am not going to fill the thread.

I'm sorry, but I don't even understand what you're trying to say aside from the last part. As to the last part, I'm sure every single atheist on here would be absolutely delighted to get some proper answers to all the contradictions found in the quran, so please, if you have them, share them with us.

dead one wrote: »

Nah friend i don't need to convince anyone?. I have just answer your question, that is What else would distinguish my book from the book that you follow?

Actually, you haven't satisfactorily answered anything. What if everything in my book was exactly the same except that it stated that I am god.

Ghost Buster

God didn't write his name on the surface of planets, However there is good evidence that this universe is perfectly designed by super intelligent agent, for supporting advance life. Design of universe is good evidence that God created universe.
Says Dead One

And yet the majority of this perfectly designed universe does not support life and is hostile toward life. Sounds like terrible design to me.:eek:

liamw

krudler

Ghost Buster wrote: »

God didn't write his name on the surface of planets, However there is good evidence that this universe is perfectly designed by super intelligent agent, for supporting advance life. Design of universe is good evidence that God created universe.
Says Dead One

And yet the majority of this perfectly designed universe does not support life and is hostile toward life. Sounds like terrible design to me.:eek:

no that was science that made volcanos and stuff, god only made the good bits, like baby mice and feather dusters

Zillah

liamw wrote: »

I always find it amazing when people think the universe was made with us in mind. The vast vast majority of existence is hard vacuum bathed in cosmic death rays.

[Deleted User]

Zillah wrote: »

I always find it amazing when people think the universe was made with us in mind. The vast vast majority of existence is hard vacuum bathed in cosmic death rays.

BUT IT'S A MIRACLE WE'RE ALIVE AGAINST THOSE ODDS

Zillah

If something can get so big that it collapses with a solar-system destroying explosion and becomes so concentrated that it breaks the fundamental structure of space time I do not think it is fair to say that it is perfectly designed.

robindch

^^^ You could be talking about the banks

dead one

Beruthiel wrote: »

I do.

How can you know that?

Beruthiel wrote: »

There is no next world.

as for as science is concerned you are right in your opinion,but science has it's limitations. You can't see beyond those limitation, Suppose if science say something is impossible it can be possible with supernatural means. If we fairly look at this world we will see that all living things, like man, animal etc came to life from non existence, So God has power to revive them after they have died.

Beruthiel wrote: »

My life is very far from being wasted.

you don't believe in your source i.e God, This belief will help you in your next life coz next life will be on person's faith, So as per religion you are wasting your life by denying God.
Alright please clear me if you believe in God, How this belief can harm your life? I am saying if you say, "there is God" how it makes your live difficult.

Beruthiel wrote: »

Hoping for another life after this one is just greedy, not to mention wishful thinking.

It's looks like greedy business but infact hope for next world is only way to make this world peaceful. It's only way to make this world a lovable place, Its simple you are greedy for next life to make this life beautiful. You are greedy in good deeds for next world, You are greedy in doing less sins/evils/crimes/injustice for next world. Now please answer me How this greed can harm your life. If you are perfect human in greed for next world so what is problem in that????

Beruthiel wrote: »

You consider it a waste of time to explore the world around you and learn more about your environment? The human race would not have gotten very far if it wasn't for our innate curiosity.

No! waste of time isn't to explore the world, Waste of time is to explore a lie denying the truth. It's wastage as lie always lead to lie. Those who believe life on earth is an accident denying God infact they are wasting their time and energies in of search of lie. you yourself are not acquainted with the melodies of the mystery. Otherwise, in the world what looks outwardly like a veil is speaking and resonating like the string of an instrument and is expressing the divine mysteries

Beruthiel wrote: »

Where is this good evidence?

Alright if there is a proof that fairly proves God's existence, Will you be able to accept it,???

Improbable wrote: »

Did you look up the anthropic principle like I told you to? If you didn't understand it, I'd be more than happy to explain.

Yes explain it i will like what you say about this principle? Also explain
Weak anthropic principle (WAP) ???

Improbable wrote: »

Einstein famously did NOT believe in god. He said so himself many times. What believed was good was faith. Another quote from Einstein:

Einstein didn't believe in Personal God, however in developing theory of relativity he noted that equation could lead to this conclusion that "universe had beginning" and it would ultimately lead to the idea of God. He didn't like this, so he added cosmological constant to get rid of beginning. As it is confirmed that universe has beginning and still expanding. So Einstein became a believer in an impersonal God, Einstein was not an atheist

“I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings”
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/i_believe_in_spinoza-s_god_who_reveals_himself_in/160813.html

Improbable wrote: »

I'm sorry, but I don't even understand what you're trying to say aside from the last part. As to the last part, I'm sure every single atheist on here would be absolutely delighted to get some proper answers to all the contradictions found in the quran, so please, if you have them, share them with us.

I am saying find contradiction in Quran by yourself. Don't look at sites, You can open thread contradiction in Quran and point those, i will happy to answer....

Improbable wrote: »

Actually, you haven't satisfactorily answered anything.

Do you really think you will honest in misleading the human by creating a book which isn't from God. Quran doesn't state Muhammad was God but it states this muhammad is messenger of Allah, like jesus, like moses, like, Abaraham, If you can create such book than it will be sure you are messenger of God than how will you prove it, that you are messenger of God.

Ghost Buster wrote: »

And yet the majority of this perfectly designed universe does not support life and is hostile toward life. Sounds like terrible design to me.

and yet you are expecting life from a universe that doesn't support life and is hostile toward life because you don't believe God?.... Isn't it true:eek:

robindch

dead one wrote: »

So as per religion you are wasting your life by denying God.

According to my non-religion, you are wasting your life -- would you like to convert to atheism and lead a warm, fulfilling, human life without being threatened all the time by by religious leaders who are so full of themselves that they think they speaking with the authority of a god?

Zillah

robindch wrote: »

would you like to convert to atheism?

Technically he's required to put you to death now.

robindch

^^^ Even suggesting it requires the death penalty?

Sheesh, peace and love, bro!

antiskeptic

robindch wrote: »

According to my non-religion, you are wasting your life -- would you like to convert to atheism and lead a warm, fulfilling, human life without being threatened all the time by by religious leaders who are so full of themselves that they think they speaking with the authority of a god?

Very revealing that.

Given Christianities stance that conviction of sin stems from within (or not - in the case that you choose to suppress that which would inwardly convict you), this strawman won't, helaas, stand up to the light of Judgement day.

dead one

robindch wrote: »

According to my non-religion, you are wasting your life -- would you like to convert to atheism and lead a warm, fulfilling, human life without being threatened all the time by by religious leaders who are so full of themselves that they think they speaking with the authority of a god?

I am already leading a warm, fulfilling, human life. Why relgious leaders should threatened me as religion itself says.

2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.

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Those who threats other people, infact they follow no religion but man made religions. You know there are many man made religions in the world. Interpretation creates new religions, People interpret true religion according to their choice and create religions.

All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Why should i reject God if people are bad?.

GO_Bear

antiskeptic wrote: »

Given Christianities stance that conviction of sin stems from within (or not - in the case that you choose to suppress that which would inwardly convict you), this strawman won't, helaas, stand up to the light of Judgement day.

Fear mongering that would put Muammar Gaddafi to shame

kylith

dead one wrote: »

I am already leading a warm, fulfilling, human life. Why relgious leaders should threatened me as religion itself says.
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Those who threats other people, infact they follow no religion but man made religions. You know there are many man made religions in the world. Interpretation creates new religions, People interpret true religion according to their choice and create religions.

Why should i reject God if people are bad?.

So... those clerics who threaten people with burning in a pit of fire for all eternity if they don't believe in Deity X (or are gay, have sex outside of marriage, eat pigs, etc.) are actually following a man-made religion?

So that means that Christianity, Islam, and any other religion that threatens non-believers (or whoever) with hell after death is a man made religion, and is therefore, by your own logic, a load of made-up hoo-ha and shouldn't be followed.

Nice of you to admit it at last.

robindch

antiskeptic wrote: »

robindch wrote:

[...] religious leaders who are so full of themselves that they think they speak with the authority of a god?

Given Christianities stance that conviction of sin stems from within [...] this strawman won't, helaas, stand up to the light of Judgement day.

Given that christianity introduced the notion of sin to many people in the first place, I think you'll find -- verbazend! -- that it stands up quite happily

antiskeptic

robindch wrote: »

Given that christianity introduced the notion of sin to many people in the first place, I think you'll find -- verbazend! -- that it stands up quite happily

And Christianity sourced in Christ - the original of the species when it comes to issuing threats. I'm not sure how you'd figure you're defence having a leg to stand on when the threatener carries out his threat.

Ghost Buster

and yet you are expecting life from a universe that doesn't support life and is hostile toward life because you don't believe God?.... Isn't it true:eek:[/QUOTE]

The only thing true here is that i truthfully dont have a clue what you mean?
WHAT??

robindch

antiskeptic wrote: »

robindch wrote: »

antiskeptic wrote: »

robindch wrote:

[...] religious leaders who are so full of themselves that they think they speak with the authority of a god?

Given Christianities stance that conviction of sin stems from within [...] this strawman won't, helaas, stand up to the light of Judgement day.

Given that christianity introduced the notion of sin to many people in the first place, I think you'll find -- verbazend! -- that it stands up quite happily

And Christianity sourced in Christ - the original of the species when it comes to issuing threats. I'm not sure how you'd figure you're defence having a leg to stand on when the threatener carries out his threat.

Made a tasty discovery this evening: Aloe Vera (known as 'crocodile's tongue' in Indonesian, it's the stuff that shows up in things like Irish shampoos) is actually a succulent plant whose flesh can be eaten.

The flavour's almost identical to lychee, but smoother and fuller. The local restos here make a very refreshing drink by putting some chopped up Aloe Vera at the bottom of a glass, filling it with water and ice, and dropping in a straw so you can drink the chilled water flavoured by flowing through the Aloe. Highly recommended!

krudler

antiskeptic wrote: »

Very revealing that.

Given Christianities stance that conviction of sin stems from within (or not - in the case that you choose to suppress that which would inwardly convict you), this strawman won't, helaas, stand up to the light of Judgement day.

Judgement Day was stopped when Arnie sacrificed himself in that big furnace.Everyone knows that so we've nothing to worry about, except zombies.

MagicMarker

krudler wrote: »

Judgement Day was stopped when Arnie sacrificed himself in that big furnace.Everyone knows that so we've nothing to worry about, except zombies.

Spoilers! :eek:

krudler

MagicMarker wrote: »

Spoilers! :eek:

Oh come on! T2 is 20 years old now, if you haven't seen an action classic then its your own fault :pac:

Turtwig

krudler wrote: »

Oh come on! T2 is 20 years old now, if you haven't seen an action classic then its your own fault :pac:

Besides you were wrong.T3 revealed that Judgement Day was only postponed by Arnie.

:pac:

krudler

Malty_T wrote: »

Besides you were wrong.T3 revealed that Judgement Day was only postponed by Arnie.
:pac:

Ah piffle, none of that retcon BS, that movie doesnt exist as far as the timeline is concerned :pac: