biko wrote: » You know what would be nice? Stats. Sources. Links. Just because things are a certain way for you doesn't mean they are the same for everyone else. How do you propose people that do heroin start? I would suppose with cocaine rather than weed but I can't be sure since I have no stats to back that up.
FlutterinBantam wrote: » Last I looked, the thread title mentioned Coke Heroin and Weed. That's the issue I'm dealing with here. If you want to turn and derail the OPs thread by starting a 'save the stoner' campaign, then start another thread pal...'kay?
FlutterinBantam wrote: » I'm not put on this Earth to educate you;)
FlutterinBantam wrote: » If you can't understand the issue, then get out of the debate buddy. I'm not put on this Earth to educate you;)
gargleblaster wrote: » unfortunately i can't find it now, but i saw a study years ago in which it was proposed that some personality types are more prone to either not use drugs at all, use them moderately, or abuse them. can't remember the methodology, but they looked at animals as well (where legality or morality doesn't play any part in the issue) and apparently what they found is that there is a statistical curve that is same as with humans and other species, wherein a small percentage will not use the drug at all, the majority will use some moderate amount, and a small percentage will abuse the drug in question. i wish i could find it, it was fairly interesting in the context of discussing whether legalizing will lead to more abuse. however, i think the data from countries where drugs have been legal for a while can do a fair job of addressing that point already. none of this is breaking news. also, regarding decriminalization, that never works. it will still allow a black market to make lots of money and cause lots of trouble with it.
Tahuti wrote: » But you do agree that decriminalising these drugs would free up Gardai, and the court system, to deal with real crimes, saving John Q a tidy sum.
FlutterinBantam wrote: » What are these real crimes you speak about??
RasTa wrote: » One of the Lowest % of cannabis users in Europe is....http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/11/05/idUSL5730185
karma_ wrote: » Come on now, you know you can't be fooling John Q and his spokesman with facts and common sense.
karma_ wrote: » That does sound line an interesting read. I also wouldn't says that decriminalisation never works, how do you explain the likes of Portugal, or in the case of weed, Amsterdam?
120_Minutes wrote: » why would he agree with something that makes sense?
jay93 wrote: » To be honest the pills in your local pharmacy could kill you quicker than weed can so saying its bad for your health is bull alot of things are bad for your health but sure we still consume them don't we:rolleyes:?Heroin coke are disguisting imo but if people want to do that then i've no problem with that its not affecting my body in any way so why should anyone care what another person does? Its their life and if they want to do these things its up to them and not for other people to judge jeeeezz this world drives me nuts with such negative people in it
Tahuti wrote: » The Flutt is an intelligent man. He merely takes pride in his intransigence, and a certain towing of the party line. But inside the truth is gnawing away at him. He knows we are right, but like the virulent homophobe who constantly rails against gayness in order to maintain the false construct of their ego, FlutterinBantam must attack us at every opportunity. But I am confident that one day, Flutt too will come out of the drugs closet and party to pounding, pounding techno music.
FlutterinBantam wrote: » It's 'toeing', 'towing', is pulling, 'toeing' is getting yourself lined up properly. You know, like the 100m guy at the start of the race....toe to the line
FlutterinBantam wrote: » Do you?
Samba wrote: » Answer a question with a question :rolleyes: Here's an interesting fact for you which nullifies and contradicts your statements relating to cannabis and it's cost to Irish tax payers, with regards to coke and heroin, I wouldn't be a proponent of legalisation. Due to the fact that Cannabis is illegal, we have no control over who sells it and what they decide to do with it. Since approx. 2006 the majority of cannabis available on the Irish market is actually contaminated, reported contaminants included pretty much everything you do not want to smoke. Glass beads, silicone, fibreglass, etc. The long term health effects of smoking this contaminated cannabis are completely unknown. The reason behind doing this is to add further weight to their product in order to maximise financial gains. This is also the case with the vast majority of cannabis resin, contaminants include rubber and reconstituted engine oil to name but a few. So I put it to you FultterinBantam that as long as Cannabis is an illegal substance, the health effects and cost to the Irish tax payers will far exceed what the potential costs would be if it were legalised.http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4907.html Of course you're assuming that everyone will be using said substance through combustion, whereas that's not always going to be the case. Can you provide me with some data which shows the health effects of consuming by ingestion or through vapour?
FlutterinBantam wrote: » Hang on here man. Thread subject: Small amounts of Coke, Heroin, and Marijauana legal. That's the subject I'm addressing. If you want to break this off to another....:eek: another legalise weed thread. Go right ahead. Start another thread.
karma_ wrote: » So basically, let me see if I have your argument right in my head... We should ignore places like Portugal where legalising has worked in favour of our current methods which have proved to not work at all?
Samba wrote: » It's related to the topic of this thread, you asked me if I had anything new to contribute to this discussion, which I have, now would you care to actually address my points or are you going to pursue further evasive posts in order to avoid answering the points relating to your opinion on the matter?
FlutterinBantam wrote: » If you can't understand the issue, then get out of the debate buddy
Dean0088 wrote: » I think the vast amount of responses to you in this thread have been in relation to your comment where you said weed was "highly addictive". It's less addictive than food... It would save you money (in the form of taxes) if drugs were legalised. The same amount of people would take them. Less spent on courts, garda etc.. and profits from taxes not to mention employment created and the possibility of a hemp industry. I agree with making heroine and coke legal. Why? Because I'm never going to inject myself with heroine. Not because it's currently legal: but because I know it'll be a downward spiral from there. 99% of people are the same. The other 1%? Well they're going to do it anyways. Think about it. PROHIBITION DOES NOT WORK. If you can give me a detailed, well thought out analysis as to how it does work, well good sir, I'll eat my hat.
