Deleted User wrote: » While we were part of the UK it was every 10 years. At some point after independence it moved to every 5 years as the population was declining so rapidly and this was kept.
gigino wrote: » if they want to find out how many are unemployed, press a button in the office who pays this.
heyjude wrote: » The census is a waste of time(unless you are a statistician or someone else paid to collect, collate or analyse the data), as its purpose is supposed to enable the government and public bodies to have the data necessary to make plans for the future and yet there is little evidence of the sort of good forward planning that would accompany a government that made use of the census data in that way. As someone who had a bad experience with one of our major banks regarding a leak of confidential personal information,which I reported and which resulted in nothing being done, I have no confidence in any assurances from the government or cso regarding the confidentiality of any information contained in a census return, for proving that a leak of your confidential information came from a census return would be virtually impossible at a later stage. Aren't there rules on the use of information on the garda computer system too, yet you hear stories of individual gardai using the system to check up on people for personal reasons. Has anyone in any government office or state agency ever been prosecuted for leaking confidential information or allowing it to be stolen ? and if not, are we to believe that no such information has ever been leaked ? Finally, the risks to the individual of his/her personal information being stolen or abused is too great and the benefits too small, when most of the information in the census is either already in the possession of some arm of the state or remains unchanged from the previous census. For example, the census may want to find out how many people are living in a particular household, but if you've been living in the same house for the past 20 years, why do they keep on asking you when the house was built ? Besides the council planning office will know when a property was built. I also do not understand, if the information is only to be used for planning purposes, why they need to know you exact date or birth rather than just your year of birth ? But it would make a big difference if the information goes astray.
jakdelad wrote: » security ya thats what the revenue boys thought as well so they chained their laptops to the desks guess what ten were stolen but all the information is encrypted [yawn] you can get a free online decrypter for any ten day trial... most likely they were using xp, start in safe mode your in... why is just a headcount just not enough what is it that they want to know personal and private information about irish citizens latest new question hows your health??/ jesus how far will they go??? your health, religion, how many cars you have etc, is none of their dam business tell them nothing
they are worst then hoovers FBI let them take you to court ask them to show you exactly where in the consitition it says you must dilvulge personal and private information about yourself remember citizens information is extremely valuable. so dont believe all that ,the govt needs this information to plan bullsh1t just look at all the ghost housing estates ,oh ya real planning there, they are called enumeraters folks, counters, put the no of people in your home on the form, thats all you have to do. its just food and drink for a big quango called cso who are about as useful as a trapdoor in a canoe
nuac wrote: » Because census is taken on a Sunday night it is skewed in favour of the larger centres of population. At the end of each weekend usually on Sunday evening thousands of young people leave each rural county to return to work or thirdlevel education in larger centres. This results in lower populations been shown in smaller communities and inflated numbers in larger centres. Some of those in larger centres are aware of this. For at least one census UCG set exams on the following Monday morning. A census to give true result should be held on a Saturday night.
DeVore wrote: » If we did that, the entire population of Dublin would be "missing, presumed in Copperface Jacks (aka Slapperfaced Cocks)". DeV.
csofieldoffice wrote: The census is a major undertaking for the CSO and contractors have been employed to assist with specialized parts of the work. For 2011 the contract for the design and print of the census forms, and the provision and onsite support of the hardware and software required for the scanning, capture and coding of the census forms was awarded to CACI UK, which is an independent subsidiary of CACI International. CACI UK were first awarded the contract for the processing of the 2002 and 2006 censuses and won the 2011 contract after an open competitive procurement process run under EU competitive tendering law which applies to all public bodies. Of the proposals received by the CSO, CACI (UK)’s gave best value for the taxpayer. EU rules do not allow bidders to be excluded because they are foreign companies. The census forms were printed by a Dublin printer.In August 2003, CACI International Inc provided staff to the US Army to conduct IT and intelligence work in Iraq including interrogation services. Subsequently, in spring 2004 an allegation was made that a CACI employee had been involved in the mistreatment of detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. This allegation was not substantiated by any evidence or proof at the time it was made, and subsequent investigations by both CACI and the US government could not confirm it. CACI have stated publicly that they take this allegation extremely seriously, that they do not condone, tolerate or endorse any illegal behavior by its employees in any circumstances or at any time and they have, and always will, hold themselves to the highest ethical standards. The Central Statistics Office is fundamentally committed to ethical and proper conduct in all matters and would never have any dealings with a company convicted of human rights abuse. EU procurement rules do allow bidders to be excluded if they have been convicted of certain criminal or other offences but none of these exclusions applies to CACI (UK) - or indeed to its US parent. The US parent company strongly denies the allegations made against it and makes clear its abhorrence of human rights violations. Confidentiality is the cornerstone of all work conducted by the CSO. All information collected in the census is treated as strictly confidential by the CSO and will be used only for statistical purposes. This confidentiality is guaranteed by law. Under the Statistics Act 1993 the Central Statistics Office is prohibited by law from divulging any individual information to any third party, be it a Government Department or agency, or a private enterprise. The CSO is the only organisation that will have access to identifiable census information relating to individuals or households. All staff working on the census (HQ, field or contract) have been signed up as Officers of Statistics. The penalty for any breaches of confidentiality by staff, permanent or contract, can be as high as €25,000. All are made fully aware of their legal obligations in this respect. The CSO is justifiably proud of its unblemished record in protecting the confidentiality of data. It is one of the CSO's top priorities to maintain this record. Every household present in the State on Census night, April 10th, has a legal obligation to complete a Census form under the Statistics Act 1993 and the Statistics (Census of Population) Order 2010.
hotmama wrote: » seriously?? Ur not falling for this tripe, though ur enumerator will be slow to tell u this, u can be prosecuted for not filling out ur census form, i really don't think this excuse will stand up in court
caseyann wrote: » What you afraid of if they do or not?
BrianD wrote: » Not falling for it? The CSO has confirmed that this is the company though they say they can't disbar them as they haven't been convicted of anything. I am aware that the it is law to fill out the form. Most human rights abuses occur by good people staying silent.
BrianD wrote: » Nonsense, the Revenue actually have quite a secure system and penalties for employees who decide to take a gander at other peoples data. They also have systems that disable the use of USB keys etc. Data isn't stored on laptops either. Eh, it's the law. The constitution as zip to do with it.
cyclopath2001 wrote: » The statistics are used to decide how to allocate scarce public resources, it is important that they are as accurate as possible.
hotmama wrote: » oh thats disgraceful poor girl doesn't have to put witn that, hope she reports her to fs, she shouldn't go back, let her supervisor deal with her thats their job
TonyStark wrote: » I find it a shame in this day and age that there isn't an online version of it that can't be filled in and do away with the need of people calling to your house to give you a form that needs to be manually filled in and then transcribed into an electronic database.
jakdelad wrote: » really where exactly is the law that says a woman must answer how many children born alive??? shes had? or the law thats asks how many cars you have or how many computers you have so the revenue have secure systems??? like chaining laptops to desks?? oh i can sleep so sound knowing how secure everything is,,like the man said what severe penaltys did the members of our public service face for snooping on dolores the euro lotto winners details???? and then folks when they get beat spewing out the spin. the big stick of court, jail, and fines, are there to make you comply
TonyStark wrote: » Not suggesting that it's a solution that will do away with enumerators. But seriously 12million spent on enumerators salaries where at least half the population have access to the computer. An online solution seems like a no brainer. No offence, but as a programmer myself. I'd rather my information being held in a database behind a couple of firewalls than sitting in a locked room in someones house no matter how good his/her intentions are.[/QUOTE I think u r being a little naiive about this, think about it, firstly how much would the software cost , secondly they would have to do a lot more advertising in order to make sure that people did it online, thirdly the way the broadband is so badly developed in ireland people may have computers but no broadband access and finally logistically it would be a nightmare, some people will do it on the computer, others have to be manually enumerated n how would that be sorted. I think until the full population have broadband n computer access it wouldn't work. Btw no offence taken but there has been no breach in security using this method so it is more secure than u may think
BrianD wrote: » I wouldn't have agreed with you until I found out what company they were contracted by the CSO and their dodgy human rights record and connections to Homeland Security in the USA. In regard to the law, there is the Statistics Act which covers any data gathering in the national interest by the CSO and the penalties for not complying. yes but wheres the benchmark?? how far and probing do you go with your questions?{do you have a beerbelly} for being such a big smart ass data collector why dont they record how many suicides there are in the country we could see where and any links to alleviate this In regard to the Revenue, they centrally store data and would have encryption on the laptops. If the thieves were after data, they would have got very little. yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz A friend of mine does work in the Revenue and since the Delores incident there has been strict conditions on the accessing of data. There's no general access, They know who is looking at it and there has to be a reason for looking at it. It's a big no-no.
mel.b wrote: » I do have a question about one of the questions - Q 10 - what is your nationality? There is an option for 'no nationality' How can someone have no nationality? Citzenship yes, but nationality? To me, nationality is implied, normally from country of birth and / or parents. Can someone shed some light on this for me?
