jolley123 wrote: » If the hooker is on the pitch, does he have to be the player who throws the ball in at the line-out
durkadurka wrote: » Is there a basis in the laws for this?
durkadurka wrote: » The concept of a team yellow. Ie one player binned for persistent offences by different players on a team. Eh Devin toner vs Saracens last week I think. Is there a basis in the laws for this?
Downtime wrote: » The concept of a team yellow is in law under laws 10.3 (b) and (c) - persistent infringements
davidpfitz wrote: » I usually pride myself on geeky levels of knowledge of the laws, but you've got me there. The law is not great, I think: "Repeated infringements by the team. When different players of the same team repeatedly commit the same offence, the referee must decide whether or not this amounts to repeated infringement. If it does, the referee gives a general warning to the team and if they then repeat the offence, the referee cautions and temporarily suspends the guilty player(s) for a period of 10 minutes playing time. If a player of that same team then repeats the offence the referee sends off the guilty player(s)." So it comes down to bad luck on the player who commits the offence just before the ref loses his rag - it might be the first infringement that the player commits.
"Repeated infringements by the team. When different players of the same team repeatedly commit the same offence, the referee must decide whether or not this amounts to repeated infringement. If it does, the referee gives a general warning to the team and if they then repeat the offence, the referee cautions and temporarily suspends the guilty player(s) for a period of 10 minutes playing time. If a player of that same team then repeats the offence the referee sends off the guilty player(s)."
davidpfitz wrote: » So it comes down to bad luck on the player who commits the offence just before the ref loses his rag - it might be the first infringement that the player commits.
crisco10 wrote: » Another question: Team A knock on the ball and team B continue to play on. BUT then a player from team A infringes at the next ruck. The ref seems to always go back for the scrum, would the penalty at ruck time not constitute an advantage from the original knock on?
JustinDee wrote: » Doesn't matter. Captain is warned and told to warn rest of team. Easily communicated.
Downtime wrote: » Spot on Justin. The referee should have issued a warning prior to 'losing his rag'.
davidpfitz wrote: » Yep - he should. But you had to feel sorry for Devin Toner in the Saracens match just gone. He'd only just come on the pitch, so was not responsible for the team actions beforehand, but since he was the one who was penalised when the ref had enough he got the yellow card. It's hard to think of an alternative, though. It's pretty hard to apply a sanction to a whole team as opposed to an individual.
castie wrote: » When clearing a ruck are you allowed just land in with your shoulder? I see it being done increasingly in games and surely if you cant tackle someone without wrapping you shouldnt be allowed to dive your shoulder at someone who is wide open for a hit while contesting a ruck.
daveharnett wrote: » I thought the Wales-England game last night was a particularly good (bad) example of this phenomenon. Symptomatic of a poor performance with the whistle by Rolland's standards.
Shelflife wrote: » Anyone can throw the ball into the lineout anyone can put the ball into the scrum. A substituted player can only return to the pitch in very limited circumstances (blood I think) so you would have no scrumhalf for the rest of the game.
Hazys wrote: » Q1 Is there any law that says only the designated hooker has to throw the ball into a lineout? Q2 Also similar question, hopefully not confusing the first Q, is it only the designated scrumhalf that can put the ball into the scrum?
Hazys wrote: » Thanks, thats what i presumed but why doesn't it occur tho?
eggchaser wrote: » I saw a gwme in the Las Vegas sevens recently and a player from I think it was Kenya took a successful conversion from behind the goal and the referee allowed it. The commentators were bemused. Is this legal?
CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: » It telegraphs that you will be picking and going rather than spearding the ball wide.
Hazys wrote: » Q1 Is there any law that says only the designated hooker has to throw the ball into a lineout? If you had a hooker that is an excellant scrimmager but couldnt throw the ball straight past 5 yards to save his life and if you had lets say, an outhalf that was an excellant passer of the ball, can he throw it in for the lineout and let the hooker stand out in the backs for lineouts? I presume there is no law against this, but why dont you see other players attempting to throw the ball in for lineouts? Tradition? Interestingly, New Zealand used to have the winger throw in the ball. Even stranger, the winger would stand on the touch line, face his own goal line and throw the ball, end over end into the line out. Mad. That was only in the 70's too. Even more interestingly, at the turn of the 1900s, maybe earlier. the nz used to line out their front row 2-3-2-1 rather than our now traditional 3-4-1. They're props would both be tight-heads as such. And of course nowadays, nz considers its stand offs as first five-eight and second five-eight. Interesting concept.
Podge_irl wrote: » Quick question - in today's game Owen said he was going to bin the next Ireland player to infringe at the breakdown in our half. Leamy then proceeded to do so but Parks got the drop goal while Owens was playing advantage. I presume Owens could still have yellow carded Leamy or does he have to have actually given a penalty in order to do so?
karlitob wrote: » There are other examples of where a team may have scored and the ref gives a penalty against an offending team from the kick off. Again, this is local stuff and not international level.
Podge_irl wrote: » I've seen that alright (even at international level), but it still results in a penalty being given. I was just curious as to whether he can give a yellow with technically awarding a penalty. (I'm guessing, as you say, that the answer is yes).
remwhite wrote: » Was playing a match the other week and one of our players was trying to catch a loose pass. The ball was dropping at his feet and he just managed to get a hand to it and flick it up. He gave it a fairly substantial flick and it went about 2 meters forward an over head height but he caught it. He was away and the ref blew it up and said "ya can't do that". Never touched anything but his hands, no opposition and not the turf. Didn't matter a whole lot but am I right in saying the ref was incorrect.
