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How are murdered bodies ever found?

SuperInfinity

I don't understand how bodies like that are ever found. Surely its like searching for a needle in a haystack?

Sure you have the smell, but dig a hole five feet deep and who would ever know?

And yes I really am an axe murderer concerned about this. :cool:

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mackeire

just put a hawaiian shirt and sun glasses on your victim and bring him around with you. It would be like weekend at bernie's.

jill_valentine

Dismembering a body does make transport easier, but it also increases the chances that if the murder is discovered, it will be tied to you. Cutting up a body is very, very messy, and every tool you use could potentially point back to you one way or the other.

wyndham wrote: »

Could leave it on a high speed section of train track. It'll be too much of a mess after being run over to be of any use in terms of finding a cause of death, etc.

There was a case a few decades ago where a murderer did just this - his mistake was dumping the body on a track where there weren't any trains that day.

Jesus Wept

Or Weekend at Bernie's II

fend

Its funny.... People who are making comments like "Haha they havn't found any of my bodies yet" etc.... I wonder how many people in this thread are being serious :cool:

Amazotheamazing

The-Rigger wrote: »

Getting a boat isn't a problem. I think you are neglecting the trail you are leaving by hiring/borrowing/stealing/buying a boat for such a purpose.

You have no history of using boats (for example), someone disappears, you hire a boat a few days later for the first time with no experience relating to boats but you just want to go for a drive a few miles out.

I think that will be noticed.

Yeah, but if it was me, I'd invest enough time in creating a realistic alibi, like night fishing or whatever it is boatowners do. It's not like I'd decide to murder someone and then do it the next afternoon.

I can never work out how husbands who plan the murder of their wives come up with such lame excuses for the alleged attack, do they not think they'll be asked about it? If it was a hurried murder, I'd probably throw them off cliffs and hope the body goes out to sea.

Yep, the sea is a big part in all my murder plans...

af_thefragile

I'ld say feeding the body to a bunch of hungry pigs is the best way of disposing a body. The pigs leave absolutely no trace of the body!

Or just bury the body somewhere far away where no one will bother looking for it. But you've got to make sure the hole is properly deep. Though there's always the risk if any construction starts to take place at the site and the body appears, that'll not be very good.

Or you could always make a public spectacle of the body by say hanging it off O'Connell bridge or something.

Amazotheamazing

af_thefragile wrote: »

Or you could always make a public spectacle of the body by say hanging it off O'Connell bridge or something.

I know Dub's aren't the brightest, but even they would spot a corpse hanging from the main city centre bridge across the Liffey. You must have been really crap at hide and seek as a kid.

af_thefragile

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

I know Dub's aren't the brightest, but even they would spot a corpse hanging from the main city centre bridge across the Liffey. You must have been really crap at hide and seek as a kid.

That's the whole point.
By making a public spectacle of it, the cops will have a hard time trying to find where to start from. A place like O'Connell bridge would be a very busy place and quite difficult to find clues there.

Although there are cctv's now everywhere. But you could maybe disguise yourself.

Amazotheamazing

af_thefragile wrote: »

That's the whole point.
By making a public spectacle of it, the cops will have a hard time trying to find where to start from. A place like O'Connell bridge would be a very busy place and quite difficult to find clues there.

Although there are cctv's now everywhere. But you could maybe disguise yourself.

Why not just **** the body out on any street so? It's a novel concept of hiding you're employing here.

It'd be damn impressive if you could suspend a body from O'Connell bridge without anyone noticing. Surely someone would think to ask "wait, that fragile guy, he's tying a rope around a dead body and flinging it off the bridge, there's something not quite right here?" Even at night there's people milling around the city centre.

af_thefragile

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Why not just **** the body out on any street so? It's a novel concept of hiding you're employing here.

It'd be damn impressive if you could suspend a body from O'Connell bridge without anyone noticing. Surely someone would think to ask "wait, that fragile guy, he's tying a rope around a dead body and flinging it off the bridge, there's something not quite right here?" Even at night there's people milling around the city centre.

You could carve all sorts of stanic/masonic/illuminati symbols on the body and them dump it on O'connell street before speeding off. Make it look like some sorta ritualistic sacrifice performed by some underground cult. Would give the cops something to think about... And also give them a lead in the completely wrong direction!

If you don't want the body to be found, shipping containers are usually good to hide them in. But you need to know which ones are disused. They pretty much seal up the corpse so there's no smell or anything as such.

Acid would work aswell. But you'ld need a good sized strong ceramic bath to be able to contain the acid while it eats through the bone and everything. Though this will also give out lots of horrible odor which will need to be dealt with as well. The room will pretty much needs to be sealed off for a good month or so. And after that all the odor will need to be removed from the room before opening the doors. And then there will be a sludge of what was your victim that needs to be disposed off as well. Infact come to think of it, acid in a bath tub is a horrible idea to dispose off a body!!

RussellTuring

af_thefragile wrote: »

That's the whole point.
By making a public spectacle of it, the cops will have a hard time trying to find where to start from. A place like O'Connell bridge would be a very busy place and quite difficult to find clues there.

Although there are cctv's now everywhere. But you could maybe disguise yourself.

af_thefragile

RussellTuring wrote: »

Or even this:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/2670520921_47df22f715.jpg

Another idea would be to blow up the body. Use a lot of explosive. Better you could pack the explosives inside the body. Take it to a quiet place. Middle of the sea should be a good place. Far from people. Then boom! and the whole body is ripped apart into million tiny shreds of what used to be the victim.
A few days and the fish would have gouged themselves on the charred body remains.

Just make sure you're a fair distance away from the body when it blows apart and make sure you've packed the explosives properly and haven't let out a single limb because you wanna make sure the whole body is shred apart into tiny pieces for the fish to eat and get rid of quickly! If large chunks of body bits are left out, they'll be found and the explosives trace will inevitably lead back to you. So you'ld wanna experiment with pigs and other animals before you try your hands on the victim to make sure you've covered all the essential bits and know what you're doing!!

Wow, this thread is bringing out the demented side of me!!

orourkeda

starbelgrade wrote: »

Mobile phone tracking devices usually.

Indeed. You dont even need a murder weapon, confirmed sightings or any worthy forensic evidence linking you to said murder to gain a conviction.

Sisko

Jaysus Jill Valentine, how do you know so much about this stuff? :eek:

MagicMarker wrote: »

Bath + acid = win

ORLY?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM7Vsg_7WkU

Tar.Aldarion

Because most people that would think this out wouldn't be killing the people in the first place.

jill_valentine

For purposes of making me look like less of a psychopath, it might be worth mentioning that pretty much the only channels still on at 4am are the ones about Time Team reruns, murder investigations and air crashes.

Then again, I'm only up that late because of all the murderin'.

Either way, if a killer ever flies into a ruined Roman villa due to metal fatigue, I'm your girl.

jill_valentine

And it's always f*cking metal fatigue.

Riamfada

jill_valentine wrote: »

For purposes of making me look like less of a psychopath, it might be worth mentioning that pretty much the only channels still on at 4am are the ones about Time Team reruns.

<---- even by my standards only a psychopath would be up at 4am watching Time Team reruns.

jill_valentine

Sometimes I find myself getting legitimately angry at the incompetence of the GeoPhys team.

That can't possibly be normal.

Naikon

Why not just burn the body and scatter the ashes? Dissolve it in acid is another option. I can't understand people burying bodies in the woods or whatever. Indictable offences don't have a staute of limitations, so why not do the job properly?

Lumen

Brown bin.

Worked with my rabbit, anyway. They never caught me.

CorkMan

First, be smart from the very beginning. Pulverize all teeth, burn off fingerprints, and disfigure the face. Forcing a DNA test to establish identity (if it ever comes to that) might introduce the legal/forensic hurdle that saves your ass down the line. An unidentifiable body can, in a pinch, be dressed in thrift store clothes and dropped in a bad part of town where the police are less likely to question it. I don't reommend that disposal method, I'm just saying an easily identifiable body is an even bigger threat than the opposite.

Assuming you have it inside a house where you can work on it a bit, the first thing you want to do is drain it of fluids. This will make it easier to cut up, and slow decomposition a little bit. The best way to do this quick and dirty is to perforate the body with a pointed knife, and then perform CPR on it. Cut the fronts of the thighs deep, diagonally, to slit the femoral arteries. Then pump the chest. The valves in the heart will still work when dead, and the springback of the ribcage can put apply a fair amount of suction to the artria. Do this in a tub. Plug the drain, and mingle lots of bleach with the bodily fluids before unplugging the drain to empty the tub. This should help control the stench of death, which would otherwise reek from your gutter gratings. Do everything you can to control odors. Plug in an ionizer, burn candles, leave bowls of baking soda everywhere. Ventilate the room in the middle of the night, but otherwise keep it closed. Keep the body under a plastic sheet while it's in the tub.

If you want to bury, I recommend seperating the body into several parts, and burying them seperately. For one thing, it's easier to dig a deep enough hole for a head than for an entire body. this reduces your chances of being discovered while you are actually outside and digging the grave.
That is the one thing you can't do inside the doors of your house, and represents a vulnerable moment you want to keep brief, under 2 hours. Do it between 3 and 5 am. It's also less likely for someone to call the police if their dog digs up some chunk of meat, than if they dig up an enitre body. They may assume it's an animal carcass disfigured by decomposition, and leave it alone or dispose of it. It's also more likely that the dog will consume all of it before anyone knows the difference. A whole skeleton is another story. You can cut a body into 6 pieces faster than you think. It's not much different than boning a chicken, but it takes more work, a big knife, and time. A hammer will be useful for pulverizing joints or driving the knife deep where it doesn't want to go. Anyway it's wise to crush as much of the skeleton as you can along the way. It will aid in making the body less identifiable for what it is as it decomposes.

Don't return to the same site 6 times for 6 burials.You'll attract suspicion from anyone nearby, and you'll wind up placing the body parts close enough together to be found by any serious investigation. Put them in plastic bags with lots of bleach, and store in a freezer until you have enough time to bury them all.

Depending on what tools you have available, you may find that you're get really good at deconstructing the body. You might prefer to slowly sprinkle it down a drain without leaving your house. This avoids the long-term risk of discovery associated with burial, and the overwhelming supply of bacteria in a sewer accellerates deconomposition, whil e providing a convenient cover smell.

Truly grinding down a body takes a lot more work, and you run the risk of fouling your plumbing and calling in a plumber. So don't try it unless you know how to clear bones and meat out of a drainpipe. A good food processor can be useful. But don't over-use it, or power drills or saws. They're noisy and they attract attention. And forget the kitchen sink. It's better if you actually remove one of the toilets in your house from its base, which will give you direct access to one of the largest sewer pipes that enters your house. Follow any disposals with lots of bleach and then run the water for 5 or 10 minutes on top of that. And plug that pipe when you're not using it, to prevent any sewer gasses from backing up into your house. Usually, a U-trap inside the toilet does that for you.

jill_valentine

Now. That post was way creepier than mine, wasn't it?

maninasia

kerryman12 wrote: »

How many times have you heard this phrase on the news;
a man/woman out walking a dog found the body

Something fishy about these men and their dogs, finding way too many bodies, bring 'em all in for questioning!

javaboy

Stick it in a wheelchair. Put sunglasses on it. Bring it to the wax museum. Leave it in that section that has plague and famine victims naked and wheelchairless. Dump the wheelchair beside the FDR figure.

javaboy

Or wait for that Bodies exhibition to roll into town again. Or the CSI experience.

Sisko

jill_valentine wrote: »

Now. That post was way creepier than mine, wasn't it?

Yeah but its corkman , no different from all his posts.

Cept this time it was a copy and paste.

Hmm maybe ALL his posts are a copy and paste job!

dun dun DUN!!!!

Ozziej

Well if these methods come in, all you need is a mate in the local corpse disposal place/crematorium. I always wondered why so many English programs had people in urns. And also the source of the mercury issue is humorous I thought.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2011/0106/1224286871091.html

LONDON LETTER: Cremation was once deemed the answer to the UK’s lack of cemetery space, but now the authorities are looking to more innovative technologies

THE CAMBRIDGE Crematorium, owned by the local authority, has a new business plan. Up to now, it says, the Huntingdon Road operation has not done enough to increase revenues from its thousands of clients each year.

Offering a “forward-looking” approach, bereavement services manager Tracy Lawrence has complained that Huntingdon Road, which has made £276,000 every year for the last five, sells just £44 worth of memorials to relatives, compared with £250 earned by private competitors.

The cost of cremations, she has recommended to Cambridge City Council, should at less popular times before 10am and after 4pm go up by £3, to £480, while cremations between noon and 2pm would jump by 11 per cent to £585. Services at other times during the week would rise by 7 per cent, to £565.

However, the costs of services on Saturdays and Sundays, the most popular times in cases where relatives have to travel for funerals but which are only available in Cambridge by special request, would also rise to cost £1,040 and £1,300, Ms Lawrence proposes.

Saying that both services to families and returns on future investment must be improved, she proposes the opening of a flower shop, a restaurant, an online records service and, perhaps most controversially, an area where pets could be commemorated.

Ms Lawrence is nothing if not thorough, since she has also urged councillors to be ready to introduce new methods of dealing with corpses – such as cryomation, promession and resomation – once they are approved by British authorities.

In cryomation and promession, liquid nitrogen is used to chill the body to -196 degrees until it is so brittle that it can be crushed, cleaned, and freeze-dried to remove moisture ahead of composting. No smoke, no pollution.

In resomation, which has already been licensed in some parts of the United States, the body is submerged in an alkali solution which, at 160 degrees, dissolves it in about three hours, leaving behind a green-brown liquid and a white dust.

East Lothian Council in Scotland is one of those most interested in cryomation and promession – invented in Sweden – saying last year they were “a serious option” for the future instead of new crematoriums.

“The end process is the same, in as much as there is a casket which can be buried or scattered or whatever, but it does not have the need for emitting furnaces. It is a very, very clean way of getting the same result,” said council official, Stuart Pryde.

Cremation was promoted aggressively by local authorities in the UK after the second World War as they struggled to provide enough graveyards. Today, three-quarters of all corpses are dealt with in this way. Jews and Muslims, however, favour traditional burials.

Cremations exceeded burials for the first time in 1968 and cremation’s popularity increased considerably in the years afterwards, though the numbers have levelled off in recent years.

The new methods of dealing with remains will have to be looked at by all crematoriums, since changes made during the 1990s to cut down on mercury emissions – derived usually from teeth fillings – have not worked as well as had been hoped.

Since the 1990s, metals such as mercury and those recovered from orthopaedic implants are collected and stored and later sent by the Institute of Cemetery Crematorium Management for recycling.

Four years ago, however, the Department of Environment warned that emissions of mercury from crematoriums would, nevertheless, rise by two-thirds between 2000 and 2020. It set down a December 2012 deadline for action on half of all cremations.

The ruling is already having effects. In Burnley, cremation charges have been increased because the local authority has had to install new £1m ovens. In Harrogate in Yorkshire, coffins have had to be stacked in public areas because the new equipment has taken up so much space.

The crematorium’s manager, Philip Andrew, says the lack of storage space has been “a real problem” since the new equipment was put in: “This is not only unacceptable but can be extremely embarrassing when trying to deliver a sensitive service in such an environment.”

The mercury problem is worst in places like Burnley, which has one of the worst dental hygiene records in the UK, where poverty is matched by large numbers of teeth-fillings, according to National Health Service figures.

The lack of space in cemeteries in the UK has long taxed the minds of local authorities and government. In London, councils warned that there were only nine years of non-denominational spaces left, with real shortages in Hackney, Islington, Lewisham and elsewhere.

A report by the Ministry of Justice in 2007 found that three-quarters of graveyards in the UK had room to accept new burials, while the others would be “fully occupied” in approximately 25 to 30 years.

Some local authorities have already resorted to using the spaces between graves, alongside paths and roads and even mounding additional earth on top of existing burials in order to create new graves to cope.

Local authorities in London and elsewhere now have powers to reclaim graves where no burial has taken place for 100 years, while some excavate long untouched graves, placing old remains in a new casket at the bottom and placing new coffins on top.

Sisko

Canis Lupus

af_thefragile wrote: »

Or even this:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/2670520921_47df22f715.jpg

Another idea would be to blow up the body. Use a lot of explosive. Better you could pack the explosives inside the body. Take it to a quiet place. Middle of the sea should be a good place. Far from people. Then boom! and the whole body is ripped apart into million tiny shreds of what used to be the victim.
A few days and the fish would have gouged themselves on the charred body remains.

Just make sure you're a fair distance away from the body when it blows apart and make sure you've packed the explosives properly and haven't let out a single limb because you wanna make sure the whole body is shred apart into tiny pieces for the fish to eat and get rid of quickly! If large chunks of body bits are left out, they'll be found and the explosives trace will inevitably lead back to you. So you'ld wanna experiment with pigs and other animals before you try your hands on the victim to make sure you've covered all the essential bits and know what you're doing!!

Wow, this thread is bringing out the demented side of me!!

See the glaring problem there would be the explosives.