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Czech Erection-Measuring Test For Gays: Unsurprisingly Controversial

liah

http://io9.com/5718505/czech-erection+measuring-test-for-gays-is-unsurprisingly-controversial

Controversy Surrounds Czech Use of Erection-Measurement Machine

Authorities in the Czech Republic have been using a supposed erotic lie detector to test whether asylum seekers are falsely claiming to be gay. But the practice has come in for criticism after the EU's human rights agency found out about it….
The Czech Republic's Interior Ministry sent Rahim and Karim to Dr. Ondrej Trojan, a physician and sex therapist with a practice in Prague's historic city center, for an examination. After asking them a battery of questions, Trojan concluded that the only way to obtain hard evidence was to administer a test using a phallometric device. And faced with either having their erections measured or being deported, the two Iranians had little choice but to consent.

I don't have the funny myself, but work away AH. :pac:

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orourkeda

Have they started measuring black mickeys yet?

Time to put the myth to the test

Dyr

Those irani's had their come uppance alright

BOHtox

Sergeant wrote: »

This article is dripping with inyourendo.

Not inyourendo inhisendo

ottostreet

I'm not sure why this is surprising.

Everyone there is czeched.

Wolfe Tone

The yanks did this with govt officials during the cold war.

syklops

DublinWriter wrote: »

No need to bother if they come from Uruguay.

If that is meant to be funny, then you should be ashamed of your self.

DublinWriter

OutlawPete wrote: »

Testing asylum seekers for homosexuality, sure raises a lot of concerns.

No need to bother if they come from Uruguay.

kowloon

Would being strapped into a piece of glorified farm machinery not ruin the mood anyway?

Some12

So the test is hard to pass and those that fail have to limp out of the country.

I wonder if those that cheat are hung?

oh god this is bad....

syklops

pickarooney wrote: »

Does the Iranian government also carry out tests to prove these men are gay before stoning them to death or just take them at their word?

As far as I am aware, in Iran, they dont do a lot of testing before they do the stoning. In fact if you and I were in Iran now, and I said to the wrong person that I thought you were gay, then you ought to be buying your self a stone-proof umbrella.

pickarooney

Does the Iranian government also carry out tests to prove these men are gay before stoning them to death or just take them at their word?

syklops

Below you can find the article in full.

It appeared in a German magazine called Der Spiegel. There has been no mention of it in Czech Media.

To be honest, I dont really see the problem. If a person says they want immunity because they are homosexual. Surely the country that will be giving the immunity has the right to say "OK, prove it".

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Authorities in the Czech Republic have been using a supposed erotic lie detector to test whether asylum seekers are falsely claiming to be gay. But the practice has come in for criticism after the EU's human rights agency found out about it.

Masked police officers hustled the condemned man under the construction crane, which had a noose hanging from its hook. "God is great!" the crowd shouted as the crane operator started up the hydraulic system. The man's only crime: being gay.

In Iran, gays and lesbians can be put to death by hanging. Since 1979, the mullah-controlled regime has already executed close to 4,000 of them, usually after convicting them on rape charges.

Fearing just such a fate, two Iranian men, Rahim and Karim (not their real names), fled to Europe in the spring of 2008. They wanted to escape the realm of the mullahs and their morality police as quickly as they could.

The first flight they could get out of Iran was headed to Prague. When they arrived at the city's Ruzyne Airport, they immediately applied for asylum. They claimed that the Iranian police had already been after them in their home city of Zahedan and had ordered them to appear for questioning on charges of "amoral behavior." The men had even brought along the police summons.

But for the Czech authorities, it would seem that the summons was not enough to prove that Rahim and Karim were genuinely gay and in danger. And in the back of their minds, they might have been thinking of the thousands of Czechs who had managed to get out of having to perform military service during the communist era by claiming to be homosexual.

So, the Czech Republic's Interior Ministry sent Rahim and Karim to Dr. Ondrej Trojan, a physician and sex therapist with a practice in Prague's historic city center, for an examination. After asking them a battery of questions, Trojan concluded that the only way to obtain hard evidence was to administer a test using a phallometric device. And faced with either having their erections measured or being deported, the two Iranians had little choice but to consent.

Certified 'Gay'

Rahim and Karim were then subjected to a method that psychiatrist Kurt Freund first started developing in Prague in the 1950s. At the time, the technique was used as part of an effort to "cure" gay men and lesbians of their tendencies. Only after years of research did Freund realize that homosexuality is not a disease. And, partly as a result of his work, Czechoslovakia decriminalized homosexuality in 1961.

Still, Freund's invention remained: the "penile plethysmograph," a supposed erotic lie detector that measures changes in blood flow to the penis. Newer versions of these devices are even capable of measuring the reactions of female sex organs. For example, one was used on a woman from Cameroon who had also applied for asylum in Prague after claiming to have been persecuted in her home country over her sexual orientation.

One at a time, Rahim and Karim were asked to sit down on a sofa in Dr. Trojan's examination room. The doctor instructed them to put a metal cuff on their penises. A cable connects an electrode in the cuff to a computer, which monitors and analyzes expansion. (The version for women uses a tampon-sized measuring device instead of a cuff.)

Trojan then showed them some pornographic films, some featuring naked men and others naked women. And the results were soon clear. Dr. Trojan declared both of them gay, and they were permitted to remain in the Czech Republic. But if nature had let them down at the wrong moment, they might have been deported.

'Inhumane Treatement'

Last week, the Czech erection-measuring machine became a laughing stock throughout Europe after the Vienna-based European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights heard about the Czech examination and sharply criticized the government in Prague. In its defense, the Czech Interior Ministry responded that it had only requested the erection-measurement examination in eight to 10 cases in order to prevent asylum seekers from citing false reasons in their applications. Moreover, officials were quick to add that they hadn't asked for anyone to be hooked up to a phallometric device since early 2010.

The EU agency first heard about the procedure after another Iranian asylum seeker had fled to Germany from the Czech Republic after having been asked to submit to the extremely embarrassing examination in Prague. His asylum request was also denied in Germany, and he was eventually given a deportation hearing in the northern state of Schleswig-Holstein.

Given the Czech Republic's reputation for being a "safe third-party" country, the man faced the prospect of being deported back to Prague. But when the German judges heard about the Czech test, they reversed their deportation order, arguing that the man could face the threat of "inhuman treatment" in the Czech Republic.

The phallometric device is also used to measure erections in Germany and the United States, for example, to secure proof of a pedophile's inclinations. But there are both scientific and serious legal reservations against this practice. For example, since the test could theoretically reveal "hidden desires and internal processes," a regional appeals court in Cologne ruled in 2004 that it violated the freedom of volition. The case in front of the court involved a man who had been charged with rape. Objecting to the use of the test, the man took his case to Germany's highest court, the Federal Constitutional Court, and won.

Controversial Demonstration

In the meantime, Dr. Trojan is also involved in another scandal. A former patient claims that he offered to masturbate in front of her while she was under his treatment, and she says that she intends to produce video recordings as evidence.

Trojan insists that he was merely applying a method known as "demonstration therapy," which even he admits is "controversial." Although the method is not considered a criminal offence, the Czech medical association slapped Trojan with a fine of 20,000 Czech koruna (around €800 or $1,100).

Oh and by the way, this thread has about the worst collection of puns and thanks whoring attempts I have ever seen in my life.

pickarooney

I'd have reservations about this. Maybe it should be... Czech doubt.

AntiMatter

I was supposed to do one of those phallometric tests one time, but the whole thing just fell by the wayside.

antodeco

I guess you could say, penis erection jizz face.

Did I do it right?

[Deleted User]

Liah, did you bold those words as some form of subliminal messaging? Oh and to keep with previous posting routines - this sounds like a load of cock and balls.

Sardonicat

Millicent wrote: »

I call shenanigans on this story. This was on QI before and was apparently done years ago. Can't remember where but I believe it was in the 20's or 30's.

Wasn't it the US army ? To catch out those who claimed to be gay in order to dodge the draft.

Millicent

I call shenanigans on this story. This was on QI before and was apparently done years ago. Can't remember where but I believe it was in the 20's or 30's.

OutlawPete

grungepants wrote: »

lame......ultra lame

My condolences, try Viagra.

TanG411

Thanks for raising this topic OP.

grungepants

OutlawPete wrote: »

Testing asylum seekers for homosexuality, sure raises a lot of concerns.

You could hardly blame any of these men if, on this matter: they had a bone of contention.

lame......ultra lame

OutlawPete

Testing asylum seekers for homosexuality, sure raises a lot of concerns.

You could hardly blame any of these men if, on this matter: they had a bone of contention.